3rd and 19.......Haven't learned yet!

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

On the 3rd and 19 play that the Titans converted, it was eerily familiar to the playoff game with the Texans where they converted the long 3rd and 20. What's bothers me isn't so much that they failed to stop them, but the circumstances of why. Exactly like the Texans game, they played too far back and allowed the receiver to get up field before the tackle. They aren't learning from their mistakes and THAT is concerning!!

 

GO BILLS!

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

On the 3rd and 19 play that the Titans converted, it was eerily familiar to the playoff game with the Texans where they converted the long 3rd and 20. What's bothers me isn't so much that they failed to stop them, but the circumstances of why. Exactly like the Texans game, they played too far back and allowed the receiver to get up field before the tackle. They aren't learning from their mistakes and THAT is concerning!!

 

GO BILLS!

Well considering they were missing CB1, CB2, WLB it happens. 

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Well considering they were missing CB1, CB2, WLB it happens. 

Bobby, don't apply logic to my argument!! I'm still crying in the basement dammit!!

[oldmanfan]

I don't care who is on the field, you can't give up 20 yards on a 3rd and 19.

[Stank_Nasty]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Well considering they were missing CB1, CB2, WLB it happens. 

it was on our starting nickel wasnt it?

[MAJBobby]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I don't care who is on the field, you can't give up 20 yards on a 3rd and 19.

Yet NFL teams do it multiple times a week. Specially when missing your top 3 cover guys. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Yet NFL teams do it multiple times a week. Specially when missing your top 3 cover guys. 

And they shouldn't.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

it was on our starting nickel wasnt it?

Ooo you mean the one that shouldn’t be starting either. I am not worried at all all defenses this year are bad. 
 

the ONLY concerning thing for me out of this game is first game this year they seemed totally unprepared to play. Given the circumstances I will give them a pass on it for one week. 

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

And they shouldn't.

Well don’t let it bother you. Without holding being called going to happen ALOT MORE to all teams in the NFL. 

[Lagoon Blues]

Tough game to try to rebound with next week....

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

Injuries are part of the game. Belichick can do it, why can't McDermott?

Didn't they lose with the cb1 and qb 1 out or am i mistaken?

[LABILLBACKER]

At this point I don't know who's running this defense anymore.  Frazier or McD? Maybe it doesn't matter considering they're both getting schooled. The Bills are now giving up 28.5 / game.

Wow

[Lagoon Blues]

Tough O to face next to try to right the ship

 

[Stank_Nasty]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Ooo you mean the one that shouldn’t be starting either. I am not worried at all all defenses this year are bad. 
 

the ONLY concerning thing for me out of this game is first game this year they seemed totally unprepared to play. Given the circumstances I will give them a pass on it for one week. 

But i mean.... he IS our starter there. So thats not just an issue based on your initial injury argument. Injuries or not he's the starting nickel. 

 

Also there are 5 teams allowing 20 ppg or less this season. So no, all defenses arent bad this year. Its a down year for sure but in a year of bad d's buffalos is at the bottom in a lot of categories. Its perfectly rational to be concerned about that.

 

We agree on one thing. Its just a clunker of a game. They happen. I still believe the Bills are contenders...... that have serious defensive issue to iron out.

Edited October 14, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[Mango]

12 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

On the 3rd and 19 play that the Titans converted, it was eerily familiar to the playoff game with the Texans where they converted the long 3rd and 20. What's bothers me isn't so much that they failed to stop them, but the circumstances of why. Exactly like the Texans game, they played too far back and allowed the receiver to get up field before the tackle. They aren't learning from their mistakes and THAT is concerning!!

 

GO BILLS!

That was a major turning point in the game and happened early. The INT was a bummer, but we answered back. Stopping them there and getting the ball back would have been huge. Sort of felt like that imaginary INT from the Rams game. It started a run that we never had an answer for. 

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Injuries are part of the game. Belichick can do it, why can't McDermott?

Well is game planning for 2 teams also part of the game?

[ALLEN1QB]

3 minutes ago, Lagoon Blues said:

Tough O to face next to try to right the ship

 

I advise everyone not to watch. This team is going to get destroyed!!!

[Allen2Moulds]

I agree that the middle of the field was way to open. Where was Edmunds? Where were both of our safeties?   But what bothered me most about that play is that the receiver caught it about 5 yds from the line of scrimmage and Taron Johnson was already trailing by 2 yds.  Wouldnt you want to play off in that situation and keep him in front of you?

 

That's both coaching and Taron Johnson has no business being out there. Teams figured it out and are specifically targeting him wherever he is. I saw enough from Cam Lewis to give him a shot there. He seemed to be flying around and made a couple nice tackles.

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Bills had more time in their facility than the Titans had in theirs...

Almost like Professionals can learn from watching cut ups on an iPad while Zooming with their coach.  Also like unauthorized player only practices happened.  Titans had s singular Focus the Bills.  The Bills had a double focus the Titans and the Chiefs because of how the NFL decided late to officially change the chiefs game, up until that Bills where told if there is another positive you will play the Chiefs on Thursday.

Edited October 14, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Freddie's Dead]

7 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Bills had more time in their facility than the Titans had in theirs...

 

Allegedly.

[BuffalOhio]

Haven't learned how to stop 3rd and 18 since Mark Ingram in Superbowl XXV.  Ugh ... the shame of it all.

[Success]

That was such a big play.  And they made it look easy.

 

 

[Billever76]

It is Fraziers bread and butter....our defense has been highly overrated for quite some time....how many blowouts do we have under his watch?!......Frazier has to adjust i just dont think he can

[billieve420]

Taron Johnson played bad yesterday just needed to make a tackle and it would be a punt on a few of those 3rd downs.

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

That wasn't the same coverage at all.... They played press coverage and Johnson got pushed aside by the WR in the slot freeing up the middle of the field. 

 

That's on coaching. ***** terrible call. Frazier is a dud. 

Frazier is the weak link 100%....highly overrated and his whole coaching philosophy is from the lovie smith/tony dungy tree.......his natural instinct is to always play it safe by having his players give big cushions...his bend but dont break is broken and we will never win a superbowl with him calling our defense

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

If we played man with cover 1 with Johnson in outside shade funnelling the receiver to the inside there is no way the safety can give up 20 yards to the receiver, even if the cb has been beaten BADLY.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

These players want to play in McDermott's defense not Leslie Frazier's.    When you look at the Bill's on defense in some games they look like two different teams case point I can tell  when McDermott is calling the plays and when Frazier's calling them.  When McDermott is calling the plays on defense the Bill's will lineup in a 6 to 7 man front at the line of scrimmage and attack but not all come at the qb some will drop back and sometimes they will all come or a defensive end drops back causing all kinds of confusion on third down teams will move against it but the qb is feeling it they average 4 sacks a game under McDermott calling the defense.  Frazier on the other hand tens to let the front 4 rush the passer no stunting no confusion keep everything in front of you just don't let them score they maybe a sack a game in Frazier's defense. And watching both defense's it looks like the players like McDermott's version over Frazier's.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

47 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

These players want to play in McDermott's defense not Leslie Frazier's.    When you look at the Bill's on defense in some games they look like two different teams case point I can tell  when McDermott is calling the plays and when Frazier's calling them.  When McDermott is calling the plays on defense the Bill's will lineup in a 6 to 7 man front at the line of scrimmage and attack but not all come at the qb some will drop back and sometimes they will all come or a defensive end drops back causing all kinds of confusion on third down teams will move against it but the qb is feeling it they average 4 sacks a game under McDermott calling the defense.  Frazier on the other hand tens to let the front 4 rush the passer no stunting no confusion keep everything in front of you just don't let them score they maybe a sack a game in Frazier's defense. And watching both defense's it looks like the players like McDermott's version over Frazier's.

Interesting take. I wonder if that's actually what's going on. 

[frostbitmic]

McDermott needs to take over defensive play calling again. When he has done it in the past it seemed to work.

 

Hopefully what happens in Tennessee stays in Tennessee and none of our players bring the plague back to Buffalo.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

On the 3rd and 19 play that the Titans converted, it was eerily familiar to the playoff game with the Texans where they converted the long 3rd and 20. What's bothers me isn't so much that they failed to stop them, but the circumstances of why. Exactly like the Texans game, they played too far back and allowed the receiver to get up field before the tackle. They aren't learning from their mistakes and THAT is concerning!!

 

GO BILLS!

how many 3rd and 19’s has Josh converted this year?

 

I’ll hang up and listen for the reply

 

They lost.  It’s not the first (beyond this season) or last time the team will lose a game. 
 

the sky isn’t falling 

[Royale with Cheese]

I don't understand why on that play, we left he middle of the field open.  

[goldenboy81]

Quit blitzing on 3rd and forever. Pretty simple

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

how many 3rd and 19’s has Josh converted this year?

 

I’ll hang up and listen for the reply

 

They lost.  It’s not the first (beyond this season) or last time the team will lose a game. 
 

the sky isn’t falling 

This isn't about our offense; it's about the inability, on a consistent basis, that we seem to be in a 3rd and long (or very long) and can't get a stop. It's that open space up the middle with a super soft cushion that allows teams to convert. I don't have a problem with a loss; it's how we lose and that we don't seem to learn from those mistakes. 

[Fan in San Diego]

8 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

On the 3rd and 19 play that the Titans converted, it was eerily familiar to the playoff game with the Texans where they converted the long 3rd and 20. What's bothers me isn't so much that they failed to stop them, but the circumstances of why. Exactly like the Texans game, they played too far back and allowed the receiver to get up field before the tackle. They aren't learning from their mistakes and THAT is concerning!!

 

GO BILLS!

I put that on Frazier, coach them up dammit.