TBBills Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Try reading: nominating constitutionalist Supreme Court and lower court judges Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home Get Allies to Pay their Fair Share Teach American Exceptionalism Expand Opportunity Zones Cut Taxes to Boost Take-Home Pay and Keep Jobs in America And those are only the ones I am certain are true, some I would need to do more research to confirm. None of that has been done... WTF is wrong with you Why is it people need to make ***** up that can be actually checked? Edited October 6, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, TBBills said: None of that has been done... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, TBBills said: None of that has been done... WTF is wrong with you Why is it people need to make ***** up that can be actually checked? He has not nominated constitutionalist judges? He has not made NATO pay it's fair share? He did not cut taxes? Are you truly proud of your ignorance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, westside2 said: It's much quicker to say you have no idea. It is much quicker still, to say you have no real intention of voting for anyone other than Trump, and you just want to argue with someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: I think the best reason/argument to vote for Biden is to stop the madness. Granted, much of this madness is the left throwing an irrational hissy fit weekly. There needs to be a return to normalcy. A trump being president, whether or not it is even his fault, is the X factor. I am not voting for either, but that’s the best Biden argument imo. And it’s fair I do agree with your overall point and I can understand the sentiment. To me, voting Biden is the equivalent of giving in to your 5 year old who is throwing a public tantrum. Not a good precedent to set, imo 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, bdutton said: Trump is an ass. But the results of his first 3 years before COVID are hard to ignore. Record low unemployment No new wars. Reduction in foreign deployments ISIS virtually destroyed Better/Fairer trade deals with China and North America. Reduced tensions with NK. I don't think Biden would have handled the Covid response much differently. Biden had 47 years in political office to make an impact and did nothing but make things worse. He is a shell. He will be a trojan horse for the policies of Pelosi, Schumer, AOC and Bernie. You can look at how H1N1 was dealt with by the Obama/Biden administration to see how a Biden administration would have handled COVID-19. Edited October 6, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 53 minutes ago, TBBills said: Can anyone give any reason why to vote for Trump other than the promise of more riots, unrest, and unemployment? Thanks for pulling off the mask. Vote for who we tell you to or else we continue to riot and burn / loot businesses. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 You shouldn't. He's a terrible candidate. That said, you shouldn't vote for Trump either. To normalize selecting the "least worst" candidate is to condone the process by which the parties are able to present two completely unfit dementia patients as the only two choices for our nation's leadership. As an independent who often aligns with Dems because of a lack of a leftist party, I don't see why you would ever be interested in being a democrat. Your posts seem to be far more aligned with what's going on over in the Republican camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: I think the best reason/argument to vote for Biden is to stop the madness. Granted, much of this madness is the left throwing an irrational hissy fit weekly. There needs to be a return to normalcy. A trump being president, whether or not it is even his fault, is the X factor. I am not voting for either, but that’s the best Biden argument imo. And it’s fair So you give in to the child who is throwing a temper tantrum? Do you see anything that can go wrong with that kind of thinking? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: Thanks for pulling off the mask. Vote for who we tell you to or else we continue to riot and burn / loot businesses. Exactly Trump will create more unrest in a country he has almost fully destroyed. He loves this stuff he loves his Proud Boys and is happy that people still think ANTIFA is a real organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Thanks for pulling off the mask. Vote for who we tell you to or else we continue to riot and burn / loot businesses. Sadly I have a couple of co-workers who actually used the riots as reasons to vote for Biden. They believe the violent people will calm down if Biden wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, TBBills said: Exactly Trump will create more unrest in a country he has almost fully destroyed. He loves this stuff he loves his Proud Boys and is happy that people still think ANTIFA is a real organization. Ok, now I'm convinced you're nothing more than a troll. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I do agree with your overall point and I can understand the sentiment. To me, voting Biden is the equivalent of giving in to your 5 year old who is throwing a public tantrum. Not a good precedent to set, imo Yeah, I do not understand the, "Vote for me and all the rioting, looting, and sedition stops. We'll just go back to the endless wars, giving away our economy to China, and supporting other countries off the backs of the American taxpayer" being a winning strategy. 🤷♂️ As you say, it is rewarding the temper-tantrum if the last four years. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, Buffalo Timmy said: Sadly I have a couple of co-workers who actually used the riots as reasons to vote for Biden. They believe the violent people will calm down if Biden wins. I think that is the radical left's intention. Scare them into voting for Biden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, TBBills said: Exactly Trump will create more unrest in a country he has almost fully destroyed. He loves this stuff he loves his Proud Boys and is happy that people still think ANTIFA is a real organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: Exactly Trump will create more unrest in a country he has almost fully destroyed. He loves this stuff he loves his Proud Boys and is happy that people still think ANTIFA is a real organization. ANTIFA is make believe? Wtf 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 It's not worth arguing with people who are ignorant, either willfully or not, or disingenuous. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Westside Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Buftex said: It is much quicker still, to say you have no real intention of voting for anyone other than Trump, and you just want to argue with someone. Did you even read my post? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Yeah, I do not understand the, "Vote for me and all the rioting, looting, and sedition stops. We'll just go back to the endless wars, giving away our economy to China, and supporting other countries off the backs of the American taxpayer" being a winning strategy. 🤷♂️ As you say, it is rewarding the temper-tantrum if the last four years. I mean, there are certainly parents who are completely dismayed by the scene and give in just to make it stop. I get that and I don't necessarily judge. Everyone's got to pick their battles. Based on the past 4 years, I'm on the side of not giving in to the spectacle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Sadly I have a couple of co-workers who actually used the riots as reasons to vote for Biden. They believe the violent people will calm down if Biden wins. Which is exactly why the Biden camp pretended like they weren't actually happening until it hit their polling numbers. They are complicit with lawlessness and use it as a form of blackmail on the voting public. Vote for our guy or else... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, westside2 said: I think that is the radical left's intention. Scare them into voting for Biden. I assure you that no one of "the left" let alone "the radical left" is trying to "scare" anyone into voting for Joe Biden. Policy wise, he's significantly right of center. If elected, he would likely be the most right leaning democratic president in 100 years or more. If you honestly think he's left at all, you may want to look at your internal reference for what that means. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, westside2 said: Did you even read my post? Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, westside2 said: If any Democrats out there can give me some reasons to vote for him, I'm all ears. Having been a Democrat my entire life, up until recently that is. I would love to return. Some questions I would like to know..... 1. Do you consider antifa/BLM part of the Democrats? If not, who do they belong too? 2. How does Biden plan to restart the economy when he plans on closing coal and oil? 3. Will Biden get rid of free trade with China? Will factories and pharmaceuticals return to China? 4. Will Biden cancel the tax cuts that has saved thousands of dollars for the middle class? What exactly is his plan for health care other than Obama care and all of its flaws? I would love to have a reason to return back to the party I grew up with. But I need to know what they actually stand for. Thank you in advance. I can't say why people say they might vote for Biden, but I have some thoughts about psychological reasons why they are drawn to him. 1. Biden represents old world politics--where hard working democrats got up, went to work, came home and raised their families. Some were union workers, others perhaps felt disenfranchised by the elites, still others were the children of dems themselves. They didn't spend much time thinking about whether the ideals of the democrat party had a net positive impact on their lives, they didn't have much time to do so just making ends meet. 2. On the other hand, Biden after nearly 18,000 days in public life is purported to be the leader of the emerging progressive wing of the dem party. So, a man of the people spearheads the next great dem resurgence and things like BLM, #metoo and the like--important to the emotional side of the liberal mind, and all is well. 3. Biden bumped uglies with Barrack O, the standard bearer of the modern liberal point of view, so ipso facto Biden = Barrack = just good enough. 4. On a much deeper level, it's absolutely irrefutable that Biden has had issues putting forth any sort of cohesive messaging on his relationship with people of color, ranging from flat out stereotypical comments, to derogatory comments about black voters, the comments about Obama himself being articulate and clean (the first that could be described as such according to Joe) and what their individual choices reveal about who they really are, to his recent awkward commentary about black women stocking shelves. It seems fairly obvious to me that many liberal voters embrace the somewhat subtle racism that Biden brings to the table. It's not the typical liberal Biden supporter is outwardly racist, it's just that they seem to feel that while progress is great, the progress really needs to occur away from their neighborhood, away from their school district, away from them personally. 5. Biden represents the old ways and old days of American politics. He was knee deep in the good old boys network of Senators who ruled the halls, kicking ass, taking names, and as my friend @transplantbillsfan pointed out by way of a link to a pro-Biden article, fairly often cornering a comely young page, intern or staffer in the elevator for a quick game of "How much can I grab between floor 1 and 4?". That particular article mentioned Biden as one that wasn't such a threat, though came woefully short of pointing out he at a minimum he enabled behavior and did nothing to protect the women at risk. One might say he was part of the #hertoo movement, back before #metoo, when powerful men got to do pretty much anything they wanted with a woman and their friends (Biden in this case) gave them the wink and a nod in solidarity. I think there is some odd comfort that comes with the understanding that that sort of thing was commonplace, just the way things were, and a trade off to having Scranton Tough Guy and Malarkey king Biden carrying your water in Washington. 6. The tape revealing Biden bragging about shaking down the Ukrainians...I think on some level, progressives want progress but they want a strong bedrock foundation first. Seeing Scranton Tough Guy Joe talking about how he knocked heads certainly gives the appearance of strength and power, and it wasn't like he bullied Haiti. **Oh--one other thing. What's absolutely hysterical here is that many of the modern liberals are about to hop into their Prius, drive to the polling place and vote for exactly the type of politician their parents and grandparent flat out rejected as any semblance of a serious candidate for president on multiple occasions. I'm sure some of them are rolling over in their graves thinking "I worked and sweated my ass off to provide a better life for you and your children so you could vote for a guy we collectively new was a (*^*&%^$^#40 years ago??". Edited October 6, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, Buftex said: Yep! Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 37 minutes ago, Rob's House said: You left out fascist, racist, sexist, and homophobic. Don't forget he's a Nazi too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I'll vote for the guy who is not a super spreader of Corona Virus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You can look at how H1N1 was dealt with by the Obama/Biden administration to see how a Biden administration would have handled COVID-19. Nice try, but none of his supporters will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 39 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: I think the best reason/argument to vote for Biden is to stop the madness. Granted, much of this madness is the left throwing an irrational hissy fit weekly. There needs to be a return to normalcy. A trump being president, whether or not it is even his fault, is the X factor. I am not voting for either, but that’s the best Biden argument imo. And it’s fair Interesting post... But brings up this question. Would it be any different do you think, if Cruz, Paul, Bush, or Rubio had won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, westside2 said: So you give in to the child who is throwing a temper tantrum? Do you see anything that can go wrong with that kind of thinking? That's exactly how Biden supporters were brought up. Do you think the parent of a snowflake or antifa thug ever said "No" to them?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You can look at how H1N1 was dealt with by the Obama/Biden administration to see how a Biden administration would have handled COVID-19. The mythic "pandemic response team" would have saved everyone, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Doc said: The mythic "pandemic response team" would have saved everyone, though. Yeah, that thing.... But seriously, all that was was a show team totally redundant of the CDC and NIH. I say show, to hide their terrible response to the H1N1 Edited October 6, 2020 by Cinga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Cinga said: Interesting post... But brings up this question. Would it be any different do you think, if Cruz, Paul, Bush, or Rubio had won? i really don’t. The other side always throws a tantrum, but not like this. Obama brought out a pretty decent tantrum as well, much less than trump but still bigger than normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Biden was just insurance for Obama. Even if the KKK wanted to knock off O, they really didn't want Biden in the Oval Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, westside2 said: So you give in to the child who is throwing a temper tantrum? Do you see anything that can go wrong with that kind of thinking? that’s not my point though. You don’t see the reason/rational in giving into a child’s tantrum? That’s the reason to vote for Biden. Not saying it’s a good reason. But it’s a rational reason insofar as there’s reason in giving a crying child the toy they are pouting about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think there is some odd comfort that comes with the understanding that that sort of thing was commonplace, just the way things were, and a trade off to having Scranton Tough Guy and Malarkey king Biden carrying your water in Washington. I don't get this, he totally forgets about Scranton except for when he's running for something. And hell, he left there at the ripe old age of 10! He was a child who hardly had time to learn the ropes of life in an industrial town! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Joe is 'campaigning' in Gettysburg today, Gee, you think that someone who was ahead by 14 points would be going to states that he was behind in. 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: i really don’t. The other side always throws a tantrum, but not like this. Obama brought out a pretty decent tantrum as well, much less than trump but still bigger than normal See, and that's my point. Of course there has always been some tension between the parties, but it hardly ever boiled down to the people outside of election time. But I think beginning when Dems had both the House and Senate in 2006 and the vile they (and the media) started throwing at Bush, the public got a front row seat whether they wanted it or not. Yes, Obama got it and I think in a way, he relished his role in it. But it still wasn't nearly as bad as Bush. Some may not have noticed it much, because Bush never dealt it back. He just stood there like a punching bag. I think Trump though surprised people by punching back and honestly, I thought it was about time someone did. 1 minute ago, B-Man said: Joe is 'campaigning' in Gettysburg today, Gee, you think that someone who was ahead by 14 points would be going to states that he was behind in. 😄 Is he promising to tear down those Confederate Monuments? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cinga said: See, and that's my point. Of course there has always been some tension between the parties, but it hardly ever boiled down to the people outside of election time. But I think beginning when Dems had both the House and Senate in 2006 and the vile they (and the media) started throwing at Bush, the public got a front row seat whether they wanted it or not. Yes, Obama got it and I think in a way, he relished his role in it. But it still wasn't nearly as bad as Bush. Some may not have noticed it much, because Bush never dealt it back. He just stood there like a punching bag. I think Trump though surprised people by punching back and honestly, I thought it was about time someone did. Is he promising to tear down those Confederate Monuments? trump’s problem though, and it’s my main problem with him (his administration’s policies are fine), is that he invites this chaos. He intentionally trolls and instigates a substantial amount of the population. that alone prevents me from voting for him because it’s just a failure of the executive branch to take that role. Thus, im not voting for either side this election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Cinga said: Yeah, that thing.... But seriously, all that was was a show team totally redundant of the CDC and NIH. I say show, to hide their terrible response to the N1N1 Oh, I know. But you'd think that they'd have "responded" to the depletion of PPE during H1N1 in the, oh, 6 years after that pandemic, which would have prevented Fauci from lying to everyone and saying masks were ineffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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