Unforgiven Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Such hypocrisy. Trump’s tax cuts. Giving away more money (centered on Trump’s super rich buddies) we have to borrow from China. Trump’s been running the Federal deficit bigger and bigger each year, despite campaign promises to rein in the National debt. His entire term has run deficits that have been increasing each year and each of his first 3 years in office had deficits larger than each of Obama's last 3 years in office. This year will obviously be ginormous. We're on track to have a national debt equal to our economy. As much crap as Republicans and conservatives talk about reining in our debt, they're the ones who tend to build it more than Democrats. And that includes Donald Trump even before the Pandemic. I’m in the highest tax bracket. I did not get a tax cut. My taxes went up. Get back to me when you make enough to worry about it. Until then STFU! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 @Buffalo_Gal I'm sorry for your loss: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 11 hours ago, Dr. Who said: I grew a beard, don't have to shave as much, can wear a Bills' theme mask and folks can't see my growly old man you're an idiot scowl. What's not to like? I grew a beard. My wife hated it so much she told me that she wanted to burn it off my face. I believe she was 100% serious. I shaved it off that day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m in the highest tax bracket. I did not get a tax cut. My taxes went up. Get back to me when you make enough to worry about it. Until then STFU! Did I touch a nerve? 60% of the tax savings went to the top 20% of earners and the corporate tax rate went up by 40%. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/full Don't fall into the same trap so many of you here seem to fall into and let your own experiences get in the way of the actual facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Did I touch a nerve? 60% of the tax savings went to the top 20% of earners and the corporate tax rate went up by 40%. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/full Don't fall into the same trap so many of you here seem to fall into and let your own experiences get in the way of the actual facts. Confirmed. Liberals suck at math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Confirmed. Liberals suck at math. Go ahead. Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Go ahead. Explain. I'll try to make it simple and see if you can connect the dots. Jim makes $50k/yr Jack makes $250k/yr They both get a 10% raise. Jim gained $5k Jack gained $25k Between the two of them Jack got 83% of the additional pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I'll try to make it simple and see if you can connect the dots. Jim makes $50k/yr Jack makes $250k/yr They both get a 10% raise. Jim gained $5k Jack gained $25k Between the two of them Jack got 83% of the additional pay. Did you even bother looking at the analysis? You guys like to accuse liberals of being all feelz and no facts... try wearing your facts hat and acknowledge that the 2017 tax cuts disproportionately helped the wealthy and is ultimately disastrous for our annual National deficit and thus our debt.., Wait a minute!!!! All that debt is money we're borrowing from China!!! Trump must work for China!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Just now, transplantbillsfan said: Did you even bother looking at the analysis? You guys like to accuse liberals of being all feelz and no facts... try wearing your facts hat and acknowledge that the 2017 tax cuts disproportionately helped the wealthy and is ultimately disastrous for our annual National deficit and thus our debt.., Wait a minute!!!! All that debt is money we're borrowing from China!!! Trump must work for China!!! Ignoring the analysis and then changing the subject is not typically a tactic of one who is secure in his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Ignoring the analysis and then changing the subject is not typically a tactic of one who is secure in his position. I'm not ignoring it. Notice the very 1st thing I posted. It was a question you ignored. I wonder why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Did you even bother looking at the analysis? You guys like to accuse liberals of being all feelz and no facts... try wearing your facts hat and acknowledge that the 2017 tax cuts disproportionately helped the wealthy and is ultimately disastrous for our annual National deficit and thus our debt.., Wait a minute!!!! All that debt is money we're borrowing from China!!! Trump must work for China!!! Did revenues go up after the tax cuts? How about spending, did that go up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I'll try to make it simple and see if you can connect the dots. Jim makes $50k/yr Jack makes $250k/yr They both get a 10% raise. Jim gained $5k Jack gained $25k Between the two of them Jack got 83% of the additional pay. That's not fair because handyman Jim breaks his back laying bricks, while CEO Jack practices his backstroke in his money bin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I'm not ignoring it. Notice the very 1st thing I posted. It was a question you ignored. I wonder why... Ignored it? It was the entire point of the example I laid out for you. Apparently you were not able to connect the dots. I thought doing it in reverse would make it easier for you to understand, but perhaps it was too confusing. I'll be more direct. Bear in mind, this is a hypothetical for illustrative purposes. Jim makes $50k/yr Jack makes $250k/yr Both are taxed at 30% President Hitler signs a bill that reduces the tax rate for both of them to 25%. Jim's take home pay increased by $2500 Jack's take home pay increased by $12,500 Between the two of them Jack received 83% of the savings. Between the two of them Jack pays 83% of the taxes. Jim is a liberal who sucks at math and thinks he'd be better off if they were both still paying 30%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rob's House said: Ignored it? It was the entire point of the example I laid out for you. Apparently you were not able to connect the dots. I thought doing it in reverse would make it easier for you to understand, but perhaps it was too confusing. I'll be more direct. Bear in mind, this is a hypothetical for illustrative purposes. Jim makes $50k/yr Jack makes $250k/yr Both are taxed at 30% President Hitler signs a bill that reduces the tax rate for both of them to 25%. Jim's take home pay increased by $2500 Jack's take home pay increased by $12,500 Between the two of them Jack received 83% of the savings. Between the two of them Jack pays 83% of the taxes. Jim is a liberal who sucks at math and thinks he'd be better off if they were both still paying 30%. No. Jim is the liberal who thinks he should be paying at MOST 20% while he holds $40k of that $50k while Jack (probably his employer) should throw in that 25% he can easily afford while he still pockets $187+k of the money he likely made thanks in large part to Jim's hard work. Edited October 10, 2020 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Did you even bother looking at the analysis? You guys like to accuse liberals of being all feelz and no facts... try wearing your facts hat and acknowledge that the 2017 tax cuts disproportionately helped the wealthy and is ultimately disastrous for our annual National deficit and thus our debt.., Wait a minute!!!! All that debt is money we're borrowing from China!!! Trump must work for China!!! They helped everybody besides those that usually use SALT deductions which happen to be the wealthy in blue states. Republicans were too chicken crap to reduce spending, cut entitlement programs, repeal the ACA, etc...so it doesn't even matter if the tax cuts paid for themselves. Combine that with an increase in military spending and the yearly deficit was higher in each of Trump's first three years than Obama's last three years. This is all before Covid. Buy Gold!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: They helped everybody besides those that usually use SALT deductions which happen to be the wealthy in blue states. Republicans were too chicken crap to reduce spending, cut entitlement programs, repeal the ACA, etc...so it doesn't even matter if the tax cuts paid for themselves. Combine that with an increase in military spending and the yearly deficit was higher in each of Trump's first three years than Obama's last three years. This is all before Covid. Buy Gold!!!! but they helped the wealthy MORE... and some actually saw increased tax liability... happened to a lot of middle class households making in the $100k range... exactly the people they professed they would help. Anecdotally. My wife and I never owed taxes before the Trump tax cuts came along. The last 2 years we've owed over $2k each year. We've ALWAYS claimed 0 on our Federal taxes. We're homeowners who are in that previously mentioned range, which is far from wealthy. We got hosed. Yes most of America saw tax benefits. The wealthy saw the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: but they helped the wealthy MORE... and some actually saw increased tax liability... happened to a lot of middle class households making in the $100k range... exactly the people they professed they would help. Anecdotally. My wife and I never owed taxes before the Trump tax cuts came along. The last 2 years we've owed over $2k each year. We've ALWAYS claimed 0 on our Federal taxes. We're homeowners who are in that previously mentioned range, which is far from wealthy. We got hosed. Yes most of America saw tax benefits. The wealthy saw the most. How much in taxes were taken out in your paychecks after 2018? My guess is your paychecks were higher because they didn't take as much out in taxes. I consider owing money to the government good because you aren't giving them an interest free loan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: How much in taxes were taken out in your paychecks after 2018? My guess is your paychecks were higher because they didn't take as much out in taxes. I consider owing money to the government good because you aren't giving them an interest free loan. The main thing he needs to look at is tax liability, not owing or not owing at the end of the year like you said. TCJA had pros and cons. It did cost a lot. The cost is one reason that the Republicans had to make the corporate tax cuts permanent and the individual tax cuts expire in 2026. Under reconciliation, the bill could only cost so much, so that was one settlement. A major con is the complexity. The cornerstone for businesses was the QBI deduction which is a very complex deduction. Per a recent TIGTA study over 1,000,000 Americans didn't take it even though they're eligible. The other major con was the speed at writing it. The Blue book had over a hundred technical corrections that were needed. The Republicans had 96 technical corrections they wanted to make. The biggest was 15 year life for qualified improvement property. They forgot to write that part in. Overall, it was costly and rushed. It could have and should have been better. The disproportionate favor towards the wealthy also led to Trump's promise of a middle tax class cut right before the 2018 election that never happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Did I touch a nerve? 60% of the tax savings went to the top 20% of earners and the corporate tax rate went up by 40%. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/full Don't fall into the same trap so many of you here seem to fall into and let your own experiences get in the way of the actual facts. You went to a left wing group who did an analysis before it was passed and then did not do a study after it happened. But hey you actually found someone who agrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 10:42 AM, TBBills said: Can anyone give any reason why to vote for Trump other than the promise of more riots, unrest, and unemployment? Interesting. The riots and unrest are Soros funded and the virus is the reason for current unemployment... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) People please! This isn’t complicated. At the start of the Great Recession, higher wage earners were told by the Democrats that we should chip in, and we did, with the top federal tax rate going from 35 to 37.5%. Very few complained. We just paid the tax to help out a country in need. So when the recession ended Trump put the rate back to where it had been before. Seemed reasonable....but his plan also eliminated the deduction for State and Local taxes so in the end the ‘rich’ ended up paying more....again! Make sense? Edited October 10, 2020 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Hey Transplant, why don't you answer my question to you? After the Trump tax cuts did revenue to the federal government go up or down? 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: People please! This isn’t complicated. At the start of the Great Recession, higher wage earners were told by the Democrats that we should chip in, and we did, with the top federal tax rate going from 35 to 37.5%. Very few complained. We just paid the tax to help out a country in need. So when the recession ended Trump put the rate back to where it had before. Seemed reasonable....but his plan also eliminated the deduction for State and Local taxes so in the end the ‘rich’ ended up paying more....again! Make sense? No, he didn't eliminate the deduction but limited it. People in states that had ridiculously high taxes were affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Hey Transplant, why don't you answer my question to you? After the Trump tax cuts did revenue to the federal government go up or down? It went up in 2018 and 2019 at about the same rate since 2010. If you adjust for inflation it actually went down in 2018. The main problem continues to be neither party wants to reduce federal spending if you care about the deficit in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Top 5 reasons to vote for Joe, in order... 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It went up in 2018 and 2019 at about the same rate since 2010. If you adjust for inflation it actually went down in 2018. The main problem continues to be neither party wants to reduce federal spending if you care about the deficit in the slightest. Not exactly. Unemployment levels went down but the best part of that was that included more full time jobs. Unemployment numbers can be construed or misconstrued and played with as we've seen. My recollection is that during the Obama years the unemployment rates were nearly always revised upward at a later date while Trump's economic news seemed to always look better after a revision. Regardless, the real thermometer to test the economy is simply what is happening with wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Not exactly. Unemployment levels went down but the best part of that was that included more full time jobs. Unemployment numbers can be construed or misconstrued and played with as we've seen. My recollection is that during the Obama years the unemployment rates were nearly always revised upward at a later date while Trump's economic news seemed to always look better after a revision. Regardless, the real thermometer to test the economy is simply what is happening with wages. I was talking about incoming federal revenue from taxes you referenced but you're pry right in that it's the best indicator. GDP has its limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Drain the Trump swamp. Millions of dollars spent at his businesses by governments and corporations that have pending business with the president https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-businesses-flourished-from-his-presidency-times-reports/ar-BB19TDe9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 17 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Not exactly. Unemployment levels went down but the best part of that was that included more full time jobs. Unemployment numbers can be construed or misconstrued and played with as we've seen. My recollection is that during the Obama years the unemployment rates were nearly always revised upward at a later date while Trump's economic news seemed to always look better after a revision. Regardless, the real thermometer to test the economy is simply what is happening with wages. 17 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Not exactly. Unemployment levels went down but the best part of that was that included more full time jobs. Unemployment numbers can be construed or misconstrued and played with as we've seen. My recollection is that during the Obama years the unemployment rates were nearly always revised upward at a later date while Trump's economic news seemed to always look better after a revision. Regardless, the real thermometer to test the economy is simply what is happening with wages. ...agree...historical deception.....simple math says alter the denominator......"those that have given up" no longer count......OR...."our party has created millions of jobs".......and folks agree saying, "yup, I know, I have THREE of them"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...agree...historical deception.....simple math says alter the denominator......"those that have given up" no longer count......OR...."our party has created millions of jobs".......and folks agree saying, "yup, I know, I have THREE of them"...... That's why I say that the only true way to determine the health of the economy as it pertains to jobs is wage growth. When there is a demand for workers wages will go up in order for businesses to compete with other businesses. It is much more healthy and good for our economy to walk into a Walmart and see that they have posted job openings starting at $13.75 an hour than to join the artificial push for a $15.00 minimum wage. Now I know responding to you is like preaching to the choir since you are well aware of this. My goal in posting this is to help educate the people here who ignore supply and demand and think regulation and/or proclamations are a panacea for our economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: That's why I say that the only true way to determine the health of the economy as it pertains to jobs is wage growth. When there is a demand for workers wages will go up in order for businesses to compete with other businesses. It is much more healthy and good for our economy to walk into a Walmart and see that they have posted job openings starting at $13.75 an hour than to join the artificial push for a $15.00 minimum wage. Now I know responding to you is like preaching to the choir since you are well aware of this. My goal in posting this is to help educate the people here who ignore supply and demand and think regulation and/or proclamations are a panacea for our economy. ...NEVER...that is self deprecating and I would NEVER do that to you friend...PERIOD.....STOP IT..... would you agree that increasing demand for wage growth starts with bringing HOME industries et al that we've let slide to the import side?.....as a single widower with grown children and a blessed job at 67 and still going (thank my lucky stars NIGHTLY, coming from humble roots), my tax tab is is astronomical....HOWEVER......if my tax tab helps to bring MORE jobs back home, at decent household sustainable levels, inducing companies to do so, I'm in.....strengthen our financial HOMELAND first and let the world come begging to us versus us begging to THEM..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 53 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Drain the Trump swamp. Millions of dollars spent at his businesses by governments and corporations that have pending business with the president https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-businesses-flourished-from-his-presidency-times-reports/ar-BB19TDe9 Why do guys like you, who point fingers at Trump, often overlook Biden's misdeeds? I was debating a friend of mine, who hates Trump, and asked what it was about him he disliked so much. I understand why people don't like the way he speaks, I get that, but the irony of his answer struck me. He said he was upset about Trump saying "he could grab woman by the p*$$y" and Ukraine quid pro quo. Really? What about Tara Reid? Her claim had much more substance, she was physically violated, and was overlooked by the DNC media. What about Joe Biden's quid pro quo that he admitted/bragged about on tape? Also overlooked by the DNC media. Even when provided with actual evidence, my friend wasn't even remotely interested. This is the problem. Trump hate has caused people to lose all objectivity and they have become a danger to themselves and society. They will never see it until its too late, and then they will just blame others for not warning them. Its what they do... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brueggs said: Why do guys like you, who point fingers at Trump, often overlook Biden's misdeeds? I was debating a friend of mine, who hates Trump, and asked what it was about him he disliked so much. I understand why people don't like the way he speaks, I get that, but the irony of his answer struck me. He said he was upset about Trump saying "he could grab woman by the p*$$y" and Ukraine quid pro quo. Really? What about Tara Reid? Her claim had much more substance, she was physically violated, and was overlooked by the DNC media. What about Joe Biden's quid pro quo that he admitted/bragged about on tape? Also overlooked by the DNC media. Even when provided with actual evidence, my friend wasn't even remotely interested. This is the problem. Trump hate has caused people to lose all objectivity and they have become a danger to themselves and society. They will never see it until its too late, and then they will just blame others for not warning them. Its what they do... He’s just a better man, more rational, level headed and interested in governing. Trump is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: He’s just a better man, more rational, level headed and interested in governing. Trump is not Except when there is rioting and looting. Then he's not so interested in being a leader. A better man? He's sexually assaulted women, made inappropriate gestures to minors and let's not forget lining his pockets for him and his son by gritting Americans for millions of dollars. Other than that I'm sure he's a great guy.🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Short Tempered Joe Biden Says “Voters Don’t Deserve To Know” His Position on Supreme Court… Original Article In a remarkable exchange between candidate Joe Biden and KTNV Las Vegas journalist Matt Dimattei, the intemperate democrat candidate says that voters are not allowed to know his position on packing the U.S. Supreme Court. Dimattei: “Don’t the voters deserve to know?” Biden: “No, they don’t deserve to know”.. Just below the surface of Joe Biden is the aged persona of a very angry, unstable, often confused and intemperate, life-long politician. Essentially Biden’s #1 talking point is: you have to vote for me to find out what those who control me have in mind for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, B-Man said: Short Tempered Joe Biden Says “Voters Don’t Deserve To Know” His Position on Supreme Court… Original Article In a remarkable exchange between candidate Joe Biden and KTNV Las Vegas journalist Matt Dimattei, the intemperate democrat candidate says that voters are not allowed to know his position on packing the U.S. Supreme Court. Dimattei: “Don’t the voters deserve to know?” Biden: “No, they don’t deserve to know”.. Just below the surface of Joe Biden is the aged persona of a very angry, unstable, often confused and intemperate, life-long politician. Essentially Biden’s #1 talking point is: you have to vote for me to find out what those who control me have in mind for me I think this is an important distinction between one man who basically does what he wants and another man who listens to what the world is saying around him. Left or right it is the responsibility of our President of the United States to find common goals that brings us together in a time of crisis in my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: He’s just a better man, more rational, level headed and interested in governing. Trump is not Better man how? Morally? He probably wants you to think that. His actions suggest otherwise. Rational and level headed? I'm sorry, but this man is clearly neither of the above. He is in obvious cognitive decline, and that is a sad but true statement. I agree he has an interest in governing, unfortunately his motivation is not for the betterment of our society, but to the benefit of his family. Trumps energy for governing far exceeds Biden's. I would say none of your points make a valid argument. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 19 hours ago, Brueggs said: Better man how? Morally? He probably wants you to think that. His actions suggest otherwise. Rational and level headed? I'm sorry, but this man is clearly neither of the above. He is in obvious cognitive decline, and that is a sad but true statement. I agree he has an interest in governing, unfortunately his motivation is not for the betterment of our society, but to the benefit of his family. Trumps energy for governing far exceeds Biden's. I would say none of your points make a valid argument. No, Trump is a POS who is losing. Biden is fine. Trump is just trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 6:43 AM, 3rdnlng said: No, he didn't eliminate the deduction but limited it. People in states that had ridiculously high taxes were affected. You do realize that the majority of high wage earners live in those high tax states, right? So, YES, my taxes went up, not down, under Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, Trump is a POS who is losing. Biden is fine. Trump is just trash Exactly what I thought, the standard DNC platform. "Hate Trump". It works well to keep the myopic part of society in check. It keeps them from getting sidetracked and it takes the focus off the guy who cant get out a complete thought without a teleprompter or audio transmitter. Imagine if people judged the candidates on what they bring to the table? That would be a DNC disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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