Josh Allen - week ONE report card

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I doubt the Bills have many games where they need their QB to throw for 400 yards. Those game usually come in shootouts and I struggle to see this team being in many. That said more injuries on the defensive side and that could change.

Fair enough... but I think it happens.. I think Allen explodes.. I think that by the end of the year Allen is viewed as a top 10 QB universally by the media.. I think this game was just the tip of the iceberg.. this offense is just too darn explosive.. Brown is going to destroy people with Diggs taking all that pressure off of him.. this receiving corps we have now is as good as any in the NFL.. this is not an A+ game from Allen... he’s still knocking rust off.. I think this is just the start of something much bigger..

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I expect him to not have 2 lost fumbles while running the football. 

 

 

me neither, but it's still very hard to give a guy that was that much a part of the offense yesterday a "C".

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

me neither, but it's still very hard to give a guy that was that much a part of the offense yesterday a "C".

Why? It's a passing grade. Without the turnovers it's obviously a very good performance, but they happened.

 

I posted right before the game that Allen's fumbles are a major concern. If that happened vs KC we likely lose the game because of those turnovers. In fact the 2nd fumble gave the Jets life.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[CountDorkula]

16 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Just for future reference what qualifies as an A?

 

Not overthrowing 2 wide open targets in the endzone (14 missed points)

Not fumbling twice in Jets territory. (6-14 additional points missed)

 

Allen proved a lot yesterday, but the bills should have blown that game open by at least 20+ points. They had the ball for 41 min and only scored 27 points.

 

Id say B+ is about accurate. If you are not playing the Jets, those turnovers are at least 7-10 point swings.

[Jerboski]

Dude is consistently getting better. Very happy with him 

 

Has to control the fumbling though 

12 minutes ago, teef said:

me neither, but it's still very hard to give a guy that was that much a part of the offense yesterday a "C".

a "C" is ridiculous in my opinion 

 

B - go for it, but a C feels like an agenda 

[GG]

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea - the Brown miss is a play the top QBs might only miss 5 times in a 100... but the other throws people have crabbed - one to Beasley, one to Knox, one to Singletary which were either a narrow miss or balls that more precision might man a touchdown rather than just a completion.... every single Quarterback in the NFL had one or two of those throws this weekend. Every single one. Even Mahomes. If you are just grading Josh's passing he was at worst an A- for yesterday. That is probably what I'd have given him and if he hits Brown it is a clear A. I think bumping him down for the two fumbles which resulted in turnovers is fair, but as a passer only it was a pretty clean game.

 

And I am on record as saying his passing development matters to me much more at this point. So while I do bump his grade for yesterday down to a B+ rather than A- my feeling about where he is headed on the back of that game is 100% positive. Now he needs to stack really good weeks, one after the other. That is what the best guys do. He normally likes playing against Miami so fingers crossed.

 

Need to see All-22 for a better assessment of his progress.   I want to see tangible improvement in decision making and less hesitation in throwing guys open.  Don't know if I really saw that yesterday.  

[teef]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why? It's a passing grade. Without the turnovers it's obviously a very good performance, but they happened.

 

I posted right before the game that Allen's fumbles are a major concern. If that happened vs KC we likely lose the game because of those turnovers. In fact the 2nd fumble have the Jets life.

do you think josh's performance was just passing?  that's insane.

 

hey...grade how you like.  it looks like you posted about the fumbles before the game, they happened, so you're over valuing them.  they're bad...i get it, but it doesn't bring his overall grade down to a C for sunday imo.

 

also, that second fumble never gave the jets life.  the jets were never in it.  that's just being dramatic.

8 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

Dude is consistently getting better. Very happy with him 

 

Has to control the fumbling though 

a "C" is ridiculous in my opinion 

 

B - go for it, but a C feels like an agenda 

agreed.  i completely get a B.  a C?  nah.

[DrDawkinstein]

B+ is fair. Dude looked great but you gotta ding him for not just one, but TWO bad fumbles deep into drives that would've meant points.

 

Without the fumbles, he was a solid A. Even with the couple of misses (all QBs have a "couple of misses" each game, all of them).

 

Great start tho! 72% (on 46 attempts!) and 312 yds. You love to see it.

[RoyBatty is alive]

16 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Just for future reference what qualifies as an A?

You can't give him an A with 2 fumbles

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Need to see All-22 for a better assessment of his progress.   I want to see tangible improvement in decision making and less hesitation in throwing guys open.  Don't know if I really saw that yesterday.  

 

Fair, but he did throw a couple of beautiful tight window balls - including the one to Moss for a TD.

[Jerboski]

3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

You can't give him an A with 2 fumbles

Can't give him a C either when he was easily one of the best players on the field and moved the ball all game long 

 

Not sayin you gave a C

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Against teams like the Rams or Cowboys those 2 fumbles most likely cost us the game along with the missed FG. Thank god we played the Jets week 1. 

 

If Allen is passing the football like that you can get rid of the designed QB keeper runs. The only time I want to see Allen running is when the Passing play breaks down and there is a opening where he can pick up yardage and slide or run out of bounds without being hit. He needs to watch Russel Wilson tape for a month to see the art of picking up yards as a QB without taking a hit.

 

I would rate him as a B-

Edited September 14, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[GG]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Fair, but he did throw a couple of beautiful tight window balls - including the one to Moss for a TD.

 

This was definitely one of his better games, but he still defaults to his legs when a better (and safer to him) pass is out there.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

Can't give him a C either when he was easily one of the best players on the field and moved the ball all game long 

 

Not sayin you gave a C

Basically very good stats, minor mistakes, no turnovers would be an A for me.

 

Now the question is what would be a B. I think a B would be pretty much the game you saw with 1 of the fumbles.

 

I dropped it to a C because you can't fumble twice, especially on those designed runs. Any RB gets benched with 2 1st half fumbles like that. The Jets did score 10 unanswered points after the 2nd fumble. It did change the game.

[GG]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Basically very good stats, minor mistakes, no turnovers would be an A for me.

 

Now the question is what would be a B. I think a B would be pretty much the game you saw with 1 of the fumbles.

 

I dropped it to a C because you can't fumble twice, especially on those designed runs. Any RB gets benched with 2 1st half fumbles like that. The Jets did score 10 unanswered points after the 2nd fumble. It did change the game.

 

Pet peeve.  Jets scored 10 consecutive points after the fumble, not unanswered.  Bills scored 6 points after Jets scored 10. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Basically very good stats, minor mistakes, no turnovers would be an A for me.

 

Now the question is what would be a B. I think a B would be pretty much the game you saw with 1 of the fumbles.

 

I dropped it to a C because you can't fumble twice, especially on those designed runs. Any RB gets benched with 2 1st half fumbles like that. The Jets did score 10 unanswered points after the 2nd fumble. It did change the game.

 

Those 10 were only consecutive because Bass muffed a kick.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

C. Way too many bad plays.

 

Your friends must never be able to find a seat in a bar near you because just as they locate an empty stool and position themselves to sit down, you move it several feet on them.

 

17 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Just for future reference what qualifies as an A?

 

For me, the same performance but missing at least 1 of the 2 fumbles.  The second fumble, he got upended and may have had the choice of landing on his shoulder and protecting the football, or putting an arm down to let him land safely.  Should have gone down earlier but at that point, he may have made the correct split-second decision.

 

The first fumble was just flat out failure to protect the football when running, and there were other instances of running where the football was hanging out there a la Shady and vulnerable.  Hopefully that is rust they will flake off him in a hurry.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You must never be able to find a seat in the bar because just as you locate an empty stool and position yourself to sit down, it moves several feet on ya.

 

 

For me, the same performance but missing at least 1 of the 2 fumbles.  The second fumble, he got upended and may have had the choice of landing on his shoulder and protecting the football, or putting an arm down to let him land safely.  Should have gone down earlier but at that point, he may have made the correct split-second decision.

 

The first fumble was just flat out failure to protect the football when running, and there were other instances of running where the football was hanging out there a la Shady and vulnerable.  Hopefully that is rust they will flake off him in a hurry.

I have very high expectations of Josh Allen. Last year that game is a B in my book. This year it's a C. Higher standards. Championship football.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I have very high expectations of Josh Allen. Last year that game is a B in my book. This year it's a C. Higher standards. Championship football.

 

IOW I called it correctly on the moving bar

[dollars 2 donuts]

Interesting note here.

 

Going back to the Tennessee game last year Josh Allen is 249 out of 422 for a 59% completions, with 19 TDs and 3 interceptions.  

 

He is 8-5 (I ignored the loss against the Jets last year, but still used the 3 for 5, for 5 yards stats), and has the old fashioned style QB rating (not the QBR) of 90.57.

 

Yes, his rushing fumbles hurt him, but man that TD to Interception ratio is impressive.  

 

His career breakdown prior to that game was 13 TDs and 16 Interceptions.