16-0 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) Edited September 5, 2020 by 16-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) Texans will be in salary cap issue soon. Great! Edited September 5, 2020 by Limeaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 The cap is gonna catch up to Houston hard at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Whkfc said: The cap is gonna catch up to Houston hard at some point It’s going to happen to every team with a good qb. If Allen is good enough to get this type of deal, the cap will caught up to us as well. Qbs Take up way too much of the cap. That’s why you can’t mistakes on paying one big money. Watson, IMO, is a borderline top 5 QBs. It was the worst trade ever with Hopkins but at least he got his money and they have some talent at wr. It will be interesting to see how they do this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 That is exactly where you would pitch it. Not competing with the Mahomes contract but resetting the market for everyone else. He is the best thing about that franchise. Excellent move for Houston. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) After letting Hopkins go they had to lock down Watson or the city of Houston would have burned to the ground and Bill O’Brien’s body would have been the kindling. Edited September 5, 2020 by Inigo Montoya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Whkfc said: The cap is gonna catch up to Houston hard at some point They actually have a lot of space going forward. Watson is literally the second long term commitment after Tunsil. Everyone else at the top end of that roster, Watt, Mercilus, Robey, David Johnson, Will Fuller could come off the books at negligible cost next year. The salary cap isn't even close to being an issue in Houston. A lack of top young talent is. Tunsil, Watson and Justin Reid apart their best players are up there age wise. Obviously Fuller a bit less so but they need to pay him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: That's ridiculous. Why? He’s one of the best qbs in the nfl. Awful QBs get a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Why? He’s one of the best qbs in the nfl. Awful QBs get a lot of money. That team will never win anything. Book it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: That team will never win anything. Book it... You realize 1 out of 32 teams wins the SB every year right? I mean you can say that for like 95% of qbs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You realize 1 out of 32 teams wins the SB every year right? I mean you can say that for like 95% of qbs. Lol, yes, I do realize that. ☺ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: That team will never win anything. Book it... That is probably true. But it won't be because of Deshaun Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Great QB but that's nuts. We'll see what next year's cap does to what's left of that team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Lol, yes, I do realize that. ☺ I think if he was on the Bills, we would be at worst in the AFC title game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: That is probably true. But it won't be because of Deshaun Watson. It will be partially because you can't pay one player like that and be a consistently great team, unless you have a Patrick Mahomes -- then you might have a chance. D. Watson is not P. Mahomes. If the Bills ever pay Allen like this, unless he has risen to Mahomes' level, my expectations of the team will necessarily go way down. You would be better off building a great team and going through QBs on rookie contracts for 5 years each. Draft one every 3-4 years and let him develop until you let the old one walk. Some team is going to try this one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It will be partially because you can't pay one player like that and be a consistently great team, unless you have a Patrick Mahomes -- then you might have a chance. D. Watson is not P. Mahomes. If the Bills ever pay Allen like this, unless he has risen to Mahomes' level, my expectations of the team will necessarily go way down. You would be better off building a great team and going through QBs on rookie contracts for 5 years each. Draft one every 3-4 years and let him develop until you let the old one walk. Some team is going to try this one day. I disagree with this hypothesis. The salary cap is much more flexible than most believe it to be. You have to draft well... and that has been a problem for Houston since Rick Smith stepped down. But you can build around an expensive QB without that guy needing to be Patrick Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is probably true. But it won't be because of Deshaun Watson. I'd say a lot of their success has been because of Deshaun Watson covering up an otherwise, weak team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Just now, jeremy2020 said: I'd say a lot of their success has been because of Deshaun Watson covering up an otherwise, weak team. And you'd be right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: They actually have a lot of space going forward. Watson is literally the second long term commitment after Tunsil. Everyone else at the top end of that roster, Watt, Mercilus, Robey, David Johnson, Will Fuller could come off the books at negligible cost next year. The salary cap isn't even close to being an issue in Houston. A lack of top young talent is. Tunsil, Watson and Justin Reid apart their best players are up there age wise. Obviously Fuller a bit less so but they need to pay him. It seems like every year Fuller pops a hammy. Terrific when he is healthy but his issues seem to be chronic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 What I like about this contract is what it does to Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. It resets the non-Mahomes market and the expectations that Dak will have for a long term contract. It will cost them much more than the $31 M that they offered. Did I mention that I really dislike the Cowboys? Fortunately for the Bills, Allen's rookie contract will get them past the reduced cap in 2021. Beane's formula for drafting well and using lower cost free agents will allow the team to pay the 4 or 5 higher priced guys on the team. Unless Allen completely flops, we should all get our head around a QB getting $40 M/yr. I'm actually surprised that the last collective bargaining agreement didn't set a percentage of the cap ceiling for starting QB's. A $40 M/yr contract must cause some hard feelings throughout a roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: I'd say a lot of their success has been because of Deshaun Watson covering up an otherwise, weak team. Yeah Deandre Hopkins and JJ Watt are average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 42 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Yeah Deandre Hopkins and JJ Watt are average. That is a confusing take. Because there's two other talented players who perform at a high level on the team...that suddenly makes them a strong team? Ok, Let's put...Josh Rosen on the Texans and watch the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 49 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Yeah Deandre Hopkins and JJ Watt are average. how much has watt played? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: That is a confusing take. Because there's two other talented players who perform at a high level on the team...that suddenly makes them a strong team? Ok, Let's put...Josh Rosen on the Texans and watch the results. You said Watson was covering up an otherwise weak team. I pointed to two generational talents who are also on the Texans as examples of why they might not be as weak as you claim. Then out of nowhere you say let's put Josh Rosen on the Texans and call my take confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 JA will probably come in at 4 yrs 140 mill next offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: And you'd be right. Yet I don't see that team winning a playoff game as currently configured and coached over the course of his new extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Yet I don't see that team winning a playoff game as currently configured and coached over the course of his new extension. They could win a playoff game. They are not winning a Championship, I agree. But if they miss the playoffs this time it is a great job for a new regime to walk into. Only commitments are to your young franchise QB and your franchise LT (though they did overpay for Tunsil he is good). The rest of your cap is pretty much yours to do as you please. You don't have to waste a year getting rid of dead wood contracts. You have a pretty clean slate. The right GM-HC combo walking into Houston next year would have fantastic chance of turning it around quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, aristocrat said: how much has watt played? I think about eight or nine fewer than Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: They could win a playoff game. They are not winning a Championship, I agree. But if they miss the playoffs this time it is a great job for a new regime to walk into. Only commitments are to your young franchise QB and your franchise LT (though they did overpay for Tunsil he is good). The rest of your cap is pretty much yours to do as you please. You don't have to waste a year getting rid of dead wood contracts. You have a pretty clean slate. The right GM-HC combo walking into Houston next year would have fantastic chance of turning it around quickly. It's a mediocre Offense/Defense, as is. Maybe another coach could get more out off them, but they aren't a SB contender--and wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: It's a mediocre Offense/Defense, as is. Maybe another coach could get more out off them, but they aren't a SB contender--and wouldn't be. That wasn't really what I said. What I said was if they got a competent regime in after this season there is a very good opportunity for a quick rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That wasn't really what I said. What I said was if they got a competent regime in after this season there is a very good opportunity for a quick rebuild. Every new regime assumes competence I guess. You have to lock up your young franchise QB, just not sure how far he will take whatever the next iteration of the team may be (BO would have to be fired in the nest year or tow, then a rebuild...their won't be much left on that contract). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Every new regime assumes competence I guess. You have to lock up your young franchise QB, just not sure how far he will take whatever the next iteration of the team may be (BO would have to be fired in the nest year or tow, then a rebuild...their won't be much left on that contract). My scenario was specific to them firing Billy O after THIS season. Cos if they do it is pretty close to a blank slate. Not assuming a competent regime. Just saying if it is a competent regime it is a good situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 The difference is Mahomes contract is basically 12 years with how it exists and will end up being maybe. The 12th or 13th highest in about 5 years if you read the contract and how much he really makes year to year. Watson from what I read is going to make a lot more and good for him, as I don’t wish I’ll on anyone. He’s a very very good QB. This deal should most likely seal OBriens contract. Not that I care but he won’t survive it. Hopkins was just the beginning, just like Philly is screwed. Any AFC team going down in my eyes is great for us so who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I'm guessing this is what inspired that one poster to create the "Would you give Josh Allen $40M today" thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: That is exactly where you would pitch it. Not competing with the Mahomes contract but resetting the market for everyone else. He is the best thing about that franchise. Excellent move for Houston. JJ Watt says hello.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I wonder what type of contract we are looking at for Josh Allen Gonna have to start discussing it soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: JJ Watt says hello.... JJ is a first ballot HOFer. He is also 31 and has played more than 8 games once in 4 years. There was a period when he was the best thing about Houston but he is on the downside now. He still has something left but this is Watson's team now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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