BuffAlone Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 why is it that EVERY "lets not get political" thread is ALWAYS political? F%*€!ng nonsense. I'm too old to wish away time, but *****.......let this year be over already! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 There is one kernel of truth in this soon-to-be-closed thread: some teams having fans in the stands while others don’t IS a competitive advantage for those teams. It IS unfair. Theres no easy answer on how to remedy this issue, but it IS an issue. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: Penfield is an idiot. Ignore him. I don’t even know who he is but somehow already had him on ignore. I guess the new board A.I. feature is working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Just now, KD in CA said: I don’t even know who he is but somehow already had him on ignore. I guess the new board A.I. feature is working. He loves to accuse people of being racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Penfield45 said: The way the league has handled the virus and their planning has been a downright joke. the fact that the league is too scared to come out and ban fans for the next season so they don't get backlash from their conservative fanbase is embarrassing. How are some teams allowed to bring in fans but others aren't? How is that even remotely fair? Just ban fans all together until it is safe to do otherwise. Is there even a plan for this? It is just a total mess right now. I don't see the league finishing this season with the way its going right now. players testing positive left and right in training camp, what happens when games start and teams are constantly traveling? There are way too many moving parts in football to get this done properly in this environment. The league has handled the virus pretty well so far, exceptionally well given that they aren't in a bubble. I'm quite surprised at the level of discipline teams have had so far. They've at least have gone above and beyond my expectations. Some teams can bring in fans because they assessed that the risk of exposure to limited number of fans is not that high - probably a long drawn out process, with numbers and data crunching by a chosen group in their brain trust (population data vs covid case #s etc). Whether it's true or not, we'll probably never know. People running multi-billion dollar operations and you're questioning whether they have a plan or not? My bet is on them having plans. Maybe greed over revenue shrouds their eyes, but I'm going to assume that the decisions they are (going) to make are going to be informed ones. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) Although I am a definite mask wearer and am, if anything, overly cautious in regards to my proximity to others at this time, I think there will be a way to get fans in the seats. It’s gonna be hard and it’s going to really test security measures, but I think they could definitely do some thing with about 20,000 people in a 60,000 seat stadium. The fear that we can all have is what happens when something goes wrong and people stop listening to the measures in place. If there is a giant outbreak out of a football game, it shuts down the opportunity for further attendance and has implications away from the game. That is, more than likely, the fear the NFL and its owners harbour. The press and optics behind that are very undesirable. Edited August 23, 2020 by MiltonWaddams 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Penfield45 said: players aren't the only ones that get covid. there are so many staff members that work directly with the team that can spread it. Yeah. You definitely didn’t know that when you were typing the words “left and right.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 The NBA has seamed to figure out a way to get through this.......the NFL should somehow be looking at that model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I do agree that it should be fans or no fans. Having some teams allow fans and some teams not isn’t playing on an even field 13 minutes ago, Logic said: There is one kernel of truth in this soon-to-be-closed thread: some teams having fans in the stands while others don’t IS a competitive advantage for those teams. It IS unfair. Theres no easy answer on how to remedy this issue, but it IS an issue. This. OP is lose but he’s right about this 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: The NBA has seamed to figure out a way to get through this.......the NFL should somehow be looking at that model There is no possible way to run the type of schedule that the NBA has in the NFL. They could, possibly, do four hub cities and play the games through those on Saturdays Sundays Mondays and Thursdays, but it wouldn’t be anywhere near as much of a bubble as the NBA has created. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Call it a "protest." 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, SCBills said: “Enough with the political BS” :: OP immediately gets political :: you should see his work in the PPP section. It’s a real gem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Temp checks at the gates would go over just swell. Not only would Terry have to spend thousands on hundreds of thermometers, he would have to fork out thousands more to pay employees to open the gates 2-3 hours earlier to get everyone through. I don't see how any of this would be feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 So here's a post about an experiment just run in Germany with 2000 fans at a concert, equipped with fluorescent hand gel and contact trackers. They are saying results available "by the end of the year" but I'm hoping they'll get it on and finish analyzing more quickly, because the results would surely be helpful to NFL teams trying to have fans present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1000 fans to get into a gate will result in a line over a mile long. Gate 7 to the ECC Lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Just now, Bubba Gump said: Temp checks at the gates would go over just swell. Not only would Terry have to spend thousands on hundreds of thermometers, he would have to fork out thousands more to pay employees to open the gates 2-3 hours earlier to get everyone through. I don't see how any of this would be feasible. The technology exists to put up walk-through temperature scanners. Here's an article about having them implemented at Tyson Food plants. They're basically walk-through scanners like a metal detector. Temperature scanners are apparently common in Asia. For example I'm told in China at universities now, staff and faculty have to be scanned in every day, they walk up to a device that recognizes their face, takes their temperature, and either admits them or redirects them for a second temperature check with an individual thermometer. Even individual forehead scanning doesn't slow things down too much. For example at GM Tonawanda, employees have to get their badge scanned, affirm they have none of the listed symptoms, and have their temperature scanned before being admitted to work. It apparently goes pretty quickly once people are "used to" the drill and have their badge ready with one hand and their hair off their forehead with the other. Here's the problem though: if people are most infectious just before they become symptomatic (several studies indicate this is likely) and if asymptomatic people are infectious (again, several studies indicate it's so) temperature scanning isn't too helpful at excluding covid-19 infected and infectious fans. It's better than nothing I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, Logic said: There is one kernel of truth in this soon-to-be-closed thread: some teams having fans in the stands while others don’t IS a competitive advantage for those teams. It IS unfair. Theres no easy answer on how to remedy this issue, but it IS an issue. I see the point, but I kinda liken it to teams with higher seating capacity or teams that play in tax friendly states and could theoretically advantage them in FA. Teams are working with what they got as it’s a state by state decision and not the league. If anything I think there’s a bigger issue in the NFL telling teams they can’t have fans if their respective states will allow it as that feels like infringing on the ability of the team to make money. So long as they’re consistent and allow fans where ever the gov. Is allowing them, it makes sense to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I wonder if Dogs could save us? https://nypost.com/2020/07/29/dogs-can-sniff-out-coronavirus-with-94-accuracy-study-says/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) No politics here. Just make a decision regarding fans that applies the same to all 32 teams. That makes it fair and gives no team or teams an unfair advantage. Edited August 23, 2020 by msw2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The technology exists to put up walk-through temperature scanners. Here's an article about having them implemented at Tyson Food plants. They're basically walk-through scanners like a metal detector. Temperature scanners are apparently common in Asia. For example I'm told in China at universities now, staff and faculty have to be scanned in every day, they walk up to a device that recognizes their face, takes their temperature, and either admits them or redirects them for a second temperature check with an individual thermometer. Even individual forehead scanning doesn't slow things down too much. For example at GM Tonawanda, employees have to get their badge scanned, affirm they have none of the listed symptoms, and have their temperature scanned before being admitted to work. It apparently goes pretty quickly once people are "used to" the drill and have their badge ready with one hand and their hair off their forehead with the other. Here's the problem though: if people are most infectious just before they become symptomatic (several studies indicate this is likely) and if asymptomatic people are infectious (again, several studies indicate it's so) temperature scanning isn't too helpful at excluding covid-19 infected and infectious fans. It's better than nothing I guess. It just all seems too much to get ready to implement for the beginning of the season. Maybe they could have something in place by weeks 5 or 6 depending how the fall flu season and Covid are going by then. I myself don't anticipate making it to any games this year, unfortunately. Edited August 23, 2020 by Bubba Gump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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