SectionC3 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 24 minutes ago, Greg S said: It will be interesting to see how this all plays out with students going back to school at all levels (elementary school to college). I hope it can work out for all involved. On a much less important note I wonder if there will be a Halloween this year. I can't see parents wanting to have their kids going around town ringing doorbells and getting candy from strangers this year. There will be a Halloween. I just don’t know that the kids will be trick-or-treating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: You got a link to that bold? I'll look for one. I live in Atlanta and video of pop up makeshift concerts were all over the socials down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: There will be a Halloween. I just don’t know that the kids will be trick-or-treating. Trick-or-treating and Halloween parties are the big parts of Halloween. It will probably feel like a regular day this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, SCBills said: I'll look for one. I live in Atlanta and video of pop up makeshift concerts were all over the socials down here. Yeah, I'm right downtown too but hadnt seen anything about that. Figured it would be bigger news, but nothing turning up in Google or Twitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Chris from Rochester said: To me it's easy, if people want to go out and tailgate, go. If you don't, stay home. Absolutely! totally agree .. CASE CLOSED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yeah, I'm right downtown too but hadnt seen anything about that. Figured it would be bigger news, but nothing turning up in Google or Twitter... Same, i'm in Buckhead. Saw it on friends snapchats and ig stories. I'm going to have to try to link from there when I get a chance. For the record - I have zero issue with the protests, I even went to some - but they weren't exactly what people want to frame them as (COVID-speaking), especially when day turned to night and the actual protesters were replaced by agitators. My biggest worry about Bills tailgating would be those purposely seeking out mask-less folks to make us look bad.... which also happened during the protests. When politics are involved, you can bet people will find what they want to see, whether at a tailgate, protest or whatever. That said, i'm here for it. i'd even be down to fly up for it and/or a game if fans are allowed, provided Cuomo chills on the out-of-state quarantine stuff. Edited August 19, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, SCBills said: I’m for it, and I’d go. Im a religious mask wearer, who believes in social distancing when possible, but we also need to get back to somewhat of a normal. Cases are going to happen regardless of what we do. Until there’s a vaccine, we have to learn to live with this. Look at Florida, Texas, Georgia and South Carolina.. These states are as open as can be right now, and certainly have their fair share of cases, but with a death rate of around 43 per 100k, this is not what we thought it was when the NE was getting hit initially. I agree we need to learn to live with it im not sure tailgating is part of that. Seems just as easy to point at it as a spot that is sacrificed. either way it’s an interesting discussion, but I’m no health expert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: and I know it’s not popular but I’d also guess more cases than given credit for actually traced back to these events If hammer set up a huge screen, for instance, he would certainly be a draw still even for people not attending the game. I always wonder why the media hasn't played up the cause of some of the spikes were indeed the protests. I mean you got to be an idiot not to think the BLM protests didn't cause spikes but a guy going for a drink with 3 of his friends at bar would spread community outbreak. It is actually become laughable what the media has become. Same reason most of the media outlets are not reporting what is going on in Portland right now. The footage of that couple getting dragged out of their vehicle & beaten to the brink of death has barely been covered because it doesn't fit the media's agenda. The video was sickening. Peaceful protests my ass. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: I don’t think that there were 20k people at BLM rallies sharing a hundred or so port-a-potties. Nor were most of them hammered - a time when the very best decision making usually happens. Where did they go to the bathroom then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Chris from Rochester said: To me it's easy, if people want to go out and tailgate, go. If you don't, stay home. I'm guessing everything is pretty easy to you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Greg S said: Exactly. I think many parents will do the same. Halloween won't be normal this year for sure. It's a shame because the kids especially the younger ones enjoy that day. Make it an Easter Egg hunt in and around outside the home........a Snickers in the bush, a Skittles under a pillow. Kids just want the candy, parents just want to have an IPA and get after it once the kids go to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Burning the tables will kill the germs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, Gordio said: I always wonder why the media hasn't played up the cause of some of the spikes were indeed the protests. I mean you got to be an idiot not to think the BLM protests didn't cause spikes but a guy going for a drink with 3 of his friends at bar would spread community outbreak. It is actually become laughable what the media has become. Same reason most of the media outlets are not reporting what is going on in Portland right now. The footage of that couple getting dragged out of their vehicle & beaten to the brink of death has barely been covered because it doesn't fit the media's agenda. The video was sickening. Peaceful protests my ass. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335 https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#1808ddde23dc https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge It's actually pretty simple... Protests: Outdoors, distancing, lots of masks Bars: Indoors, closely gathered, no masks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Burning the tables will kill the germs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335 https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#1808ddde23dc https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge It's actually pretty simple... Protests: Outdoors, distancing, lots of masks Bars: Indoors, closely gathered, no masks Yep! And pulling on that thread a little further, you can tailgate outdoors with distancing and masks pretty easily. So there ya go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Whoever thought amateur epidemiology would be a thing? Reminds me of the furor and debate over closing bath houses in big cities in 1984, something we now look back on and wonder, what were we thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Gregthekeg said: Dealing with the Pandemic has been one big IQ test, and sadly it is showing that most of the country can't even sign their name on the test. “most of the country”? ? Got any more hot takes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 3 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Seems to me that if this werent true, you would have seen a massive resurgence after the BLM rallies. But we didn’t. Masks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Masks. And what of the 50% of protestors that didnt wear masks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: And what of the 50% of protestors that didnt wear masks? Got a credible citation for that stat? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said: Got a credible citation for that stat? Got a credible citation that its not true? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris from Rochester Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: I'm guessing everything is pretty easy to you. If you're afraid to go to a tailgate, stay home. Who are you to stop people from living life? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Got a credible citation that its not true? That's not how it works and you know it. 2 hours ago, RiotAct said: Yep! And pulling on that thread a little further, you can tailgate outdoors with distancing and masks pretty easily. So there ya go. Yes, a very good point. And one I'm not against, if you can ensure people will be wearing their masks properly and consistently. Are you confident that is what will happen at a Bills tailgate in OP? Remind me, does NY/Erie County/Buffalo/OP have a mask mandate when in public? If so, that's an easy answer. Have the Sheriffs hand out fines for not wearing a mask. Edited August 19, 2020 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: That's not how it works and you know it. To say that even a majority of protestors wore masks at those protests flies in the face of reality. Im exaggerating a bit - I think its safe to say, however, a substantial percentage did not wear masks. Edited August 19, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: To say that even a majority of protestors wore masks at those protests flies in the face of reality. Don't believe your eyes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Already got a kick ass backyard tailgate planned, though. Menu, layout, decor, playlist, outdoor furniture - ready for the opener. Even have a bag of charcoal downstairs with some label tape that says "Save for 9/13." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: To say that even a majority of protestors wore masks at those protests flies in the face of reality. Around here at least, anecdotally, most of the daytime protestors at the pre-organized events were masked. The nighttime "protestors," erm, not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: To say that even a majority of protestors wore masks at those protests flies in the face of reality. Just now, LB3 said: Don't believe your eyes. We can all post pics all day. JAHBH made the assertion. Back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yes, a very good point. And one I'm not against, if you can ensure people will be wearing their masks properly and consistently. Are you confident that is what will happen at a Bills tailgate in OP? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chris from Rochester said: If you're afraid to go to a tailgate, stay home. Who are you to stop people from living life? 3 minutes ago, LB3 said: Don't believe your eyes. If you count the people in this picture wearing masks vs. those who aren't you may find a majority are wearing masks. Most of the ones not wearing masks have them pulled down around their chins. Another version. Believe your eyes but check your math. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Just now, RiotAct said: Yes. Have you been to a Bills tailgate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: We can all post pics all day. JAHBH made the assertion. Back it up. ? That we could. My favorite was the video of the protest in Chicago a month or so ago that turned into a dance off. Some good twerking! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: We can all post pics all day. JAHBH made the assertion. Back it up. First, this isnt a court of law. There are no burdens. Second, even a single picture demonstrating masks were not worn establishes the point - at least some (half was an unprovable assertion on my part, hence my edit) did not wear masks. There are thousands of pics on the internet right now conclusively showing tens of thousands of protestors did not wear masks at those rallies. 10 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: Around here at least, anecdotally, most of the daytime protestors at the pre-organized events were masked. The nighttime "protestors," erm, not so much. I believe that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: If you count the people in this picture wearing masks vs. those who aren't you may find a majority are wearing masks. Most of the ones not wearing masks have them pulled down around their chins. Another version. Believe your eyes but check your math. I count 14-15 in masks. Some aren't clear on my phone. 2 have masks on but their noses out. 9 without masks on. I wouldn't count that as "most" wear masks. I also don't see social distancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: First, this isnt a court of law. There are no burdens. Second, even a single picture demonstrating masks were not worn establishes the point - at least some (half was an unprovable assertion on my part, hence my edit) did not wear masks. There are thousands of pics on the internet right now conclusively showing tens of thousands of protestors did not wear masks at those rallies. So we went from all, to most, to half, to some, but then back to tens of thousands?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Just now, LB3 said: I count 14-15 in masks. Some aren't clear on my phone. 2 have masks on but their noses out. 9 without masks on. I wouldn't count that as "most" wear masks. I also don't see social distancing. yep they’re packed in like sardines... at your traditional outdoor tailgate people don’t stand that close together by a long shot (unless it’s close to the Pinto Ron van for the ketchup and mustard ceremony or something). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Just now, Jauronimo said: So we went from all, to most, to half, to some, but then back to tens of thousands?? He's really perfected that Gish Gallop from following the top minds of TurningPoint USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: So we went from all, to most, to half, to some, but then back to tens of thousands?? I never said all. It didnt even occur to me that anyone would challenge that so many protestors were not wearing masks, so I didnt think precise language was needed. Frankly, the claim buggers belief. Was it tens of thousands? Obviously. Was it “most” or “half?” Well, now that we are splitting hairs over inconsequential details, I have to acknowledge I have no way of knowing the percentage. Thus, I backed away from those claims. Again, the exact percentage is inconsequential when its so obvious that a substantial number of people werent wearing masks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Just now, LB3 said: I count 14-15 in masks. Some aren't clear on my phone. 2 have masks on but their noses out. 9 without masks on. I wouldn't count that as "most" wear masks. I also don't see social distancing. You wouldn't count a majority as most? 4 of the 9 are wearing masks, but have them around their necks and chins. Count that however you'd like. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/world/asia/george-floyd-protest-global.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335 https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#1808ddde23dc https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge It's actually pretty simple... Protests: Outdoors, distancing, lots of masks Bars: Indoors, closely gathered, no masks Hmm, okay then why can't fans be allowed in an outdoor stadium? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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