The 4 protected PS spots

[Paul Costa]

There are 4 protected PS spots this year. Mine are:
1. Darrell Johnson DE
2. Tyler Bass K
3. a OL ( Boehm)
4. a LB ( Joseph/Dodson)

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, Paul Costa said:

There are 4 protected PS spots this year. Mine are:
1. Darrell Johnson DE
2. Tyler Bass K
3. a OL ( Boehm)
4. a LB ( Joseph/Dodson)

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those protected spots only protect players starting the Thursday (?) of any given week. In other words, those players are still unprotected Monday through Wednesday. 

[Rocky Landing]

I believe also that they can protect different players each week.

[Paul Costa]

Oh my ? that changes things a bit

[JustWinPlease]

If things were how I thought they were, that you could protect four players all season without risking losing them, mine would be...

Jake Fromm

Isaiah Hodgins

Darryl Johnson

Tyler Bass (If he wins the kicking competition, then I'd keep Dane Jackson in this spot.)

But there really is no "protecting" anybody, since they can be stolen away and signed by another team.

[Cruiserplayer]

Per SI: 

All 32 NFL teams can carry 16 players on their practice squad, including six veteran players. That means experienced players across the league may end up on practice squads this season. 

Teams are allowed to protect four players on the practice squad every Tuesday. For example, the Bengals can block anyone that tries to poach one of their four 'blocked' players starting on Tuesday. If quarterback Jake Dolegala ends up on the practice squad, there would only be about a 36-hour window — Monday and part of Tuesday — where he can leave Cincinnati for an active roster spot on another team. Once the Bengals choose their four players, no team can sign them to their 53-man roster that week.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

25 minutes ago, Paul Costa said:

Oh my ? that changes things a bit

 

To be fair, that would be a more fair rule.  

[17islongenough]

6 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said:

Per SI: 

All 32 NFL teams can carry 16 players on their practice squad, including six veteran players. That means experienced players across the league may end up on practice squads this season. 

Teams are allowed to protect four players on the practice squad every Tuesday. For example, the Bengals can block anyone that tries to poach one of their four 'blocked' players starting on Tuesday. If quarterback Jake Dolegala ends up on the practice squad, there would only be about a 36-hour window — Monday and part of Tuesday — where he can leave Cincinnati for an active roster spot on another team. Once the Bengals choose their four players, no team can sign them to their 53-man roster that week.

I can't find anything on the Google.  Does this mean we can carry 17 with Wade?

[machine gun kelly]

Cruiser, you beat me to it, and thanks.  There won’t be a static list.  It will be based upon what they expect are on the reserve each week and what they need, and they also can activate this year only to 55 on game day which is a separate issue.

17, I don’t think so, just before this new rule about anyone getting on a practice squad, were able to keep him beyond the old rule, so should still be 16.  If that were the case, then last year we would have had 13 where everyone else had 12.  It didn’t work that way.

[Cruiserplayer]

21 minutes ago, 17islongenough said:

I can't find anything on the Google.  Does this mean we can carry 17 with Wade?

I cannot find where there has been change to the IPP program. But I would be guessing if I answered .

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said:

I cannot find where there has been change to the IPP program. But I would be guessing if I answered .

 

On the normal system Wade was an additional spot, yes. But for the new expanded covid PS not sure if that is the case. 

[machine gun kelly]

I stand corrected GB from last year.  Thank you as always.

[RoyBatty is alive]

53 minutes ago, 17islongenough said:

I can't find anything on the Google.  Does this mean we can carry 17 with Wade?

 

No, last year we could have carried him "for free" but not this year

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, 17islongenough said:

I can't find anything on the Google.  Does this mean we can carry 17 with Wade?

on the bright side, it’s absolute minutiae at that level.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, 17islongenough said:

I can't find anything on the Google.  Does this mean we can carry 17 with Wade?

 

41 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said:

I cannot find where there has been change to the IPP program. But I would be guessing if I answered .

 

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

On the normal system Wade was an additional spot, yes. But for the new expanded covid PS not sure if that is the case. 

Yes, Wade still counts outside of the normal allotment.

[Rocky Landing]

Well, regardless of the rules, it's still an interesting discussion-- who would you place on the practice squad that you would generally want to protect.

 

McKenzie: With the addition of Diggs, McK's skillset becomes mostly redundant. But, in the event that Diggs (or Andre Roberts) goes down, having McK on standby protects Daboll's playbook from losing the sweeps, end-arounds, reverses, etc. that were McK's wheelhouse last season.

 

#4 TE: I believe that Lee makes the 53 for his blocking. We need him for that. None of our other TEs are exceptional blockers. I also think it's likely we only carry three. So, whether it's Sweeney, or Kroft, whoever is the odd man out should be protected. (This is assuming that Sweeney is off PUP before the start of the season)

 

O-Line: Offensive line is likely one of the more high-risk positions in the NFL this season. There could be many teams that experience attrition at this position, and quality depth will be at a premium, IMO. It's remarkable how much depth we have at this moment, and it should not go unnoticed that Spencer Long was immediately snatched up by the 49ers. I suspect that O-Line help-- even at backup-- will be a top priority for teams going forward. Likely candidates for PS O-line spots for us include Ryan Bates, Evan Boehm, and Ike Boattger. Any one of them should get protection on the PS, IMO.

 

Defensive Tackle: Like the O-line, it's likely that the D-line will also face a higher amount of attrition this season. Now that Star has opted out, the top four DTs seem fairly obvious. But, we will end up with some quality depth at defensive end that will likely be assigned to the PS. Could Trent Murphy find himself on the PS? Whether it's him, Daryl Johnson, or Mike Love, I think it would be wise to keep a quality depth player ay this position protected.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 11, 2020 by Rocky Landing

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Cruiserplayer said:

Per SI: 

All 32 NFL teams can carry 16 players on their practice squad, including six veteran players. That means experienced players across the league may end up on practice squads this season. 

Teams are allowed to protect four players on the practice squad every Tuesday. For example, the Bengals can block anyone that tries to poach one of their four 'blocked' players starting on Tuesday. If quarterback Jake Dolegala ends up on the practice squad, there would only be about a 36-hour window — Monday and part of Tuesday — where he can leave Cincinnati for an active roster spot on another team. Once the Bengals choose their four players, no team can sign them to their 53-man roster that week.

Seems like crappy protection. Why not allow teams to protect them for the full week?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Paul Costa said:

There are 4 protected PS spots this year. Mine are:
1. Darrell Johnson DE
2. Tyler Bass K
3. a OL ( Boehm)
4. a LB ( Joseph/Dodson)

 

9 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Well, regardless of the rules, it's still an interesting discussion-- who would you place on the practice squad that you would generally want to protect.

 

McKenzie: With the addition of Diggs, McK's skillset becomes mostly redundant. But, in the event that Diggs (or Andre Roberts) goes down, having McK on standby protects Daboll's playbook from losing the sweeps, end-arounds, reverses, etc. that were McK's wheelhouse last season.

 

#4 TE: I believe that Lee makes the 53 for his blocking. We need him for that. None of our other TEs are exceptional blockers. I also think it's likely we only carry three. So, whether it's Sweeney, or Kroft, whoever is the odd man out should be protected. (This is assuming that Sweeney is off PUP before the start of the season)

 

O-Line: Offensive line is likely one of the more high-risk positions in the NFL this season. There could be many teams that experience attrition at this position, and quality depth will be at a premium, IMO. It's remarkable how much depth we have at this moment, and it should not go unnoticed that Spencer Long was immediately snatched up by the 49ers. I suspect that O-Line help-- even at backup-- will be a top priority for teams going forward. Likely candidates for PS O-line spots for us include Ryan Bates, Evan Boehm, and Ike Boattger. Any one of them should get protection on the PS, IMO.

 

Defensive Tackle: Like the O-line, it's likely that the D-line will also face a higher amount of attrition this season. Now that Star has opted out, the top four DTs seem fairly obvious. But, we will end up with some quality depth at defensive end that will likely be assigned to the PS. Could Trent Murphy find himself on the PS? Whether it's him, Daryl Johnson, or Mike Love, I think it would be wise to keep a quality depth player ay this position protected.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does Boehn or Kroft have PS eligibility left?    Almost certain Kroft does not.  You have to have less than 2 accrued seasons played.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

 

Does Boehn or Kroft have PS eligibility left?    Almost certain Kroft does not.  You have to have less than 2 accrued seasons played.

I believe from above it states you can place 6 vet players on practice squad this year.

[Rochesterfan]

56 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

 

Yes, Wade still counts outside of the normal allotment.

 

This is correct - same as last year - if they designate him without the ability to promote him to the active roster.  Then following the guidance we would get an additional spot, but Wade is sort of separate- just like last year.

[Rocky Landing]

13 minutes ago, MJS said:

Seems like crappy protection. Why not allow teams to protect them for the full week?

I assume that's a condition negotiated by the NFLPA. If you're a vet player from a team with plenty of depth, and you get stuck on a PS, without any opportunity to play, imagine how much income they could potentially lose. I assume the same rules for counteroffers apply?

5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

 

Does Boehn or Kroft have PS eligibility left?    Almost certain Kroft does not.  You have to have less than 2 accrued seasons played.

Not by the new rules for this season. Up to six vet players may be placed on a PS.

[Rochesterfan]

15 minutes ago, MJS said:

Seems like crappy protection. Why not allow teams to protect them for the full week?

 

Because the NFLPA wants to allow these guys the ability to get promoted.  Therefore for a day and a half everyone is free.  This just gives teams a bit more protection if they know they have a weak area and prevent teams from exploiting that late in the week.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

42 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I believe from above it states you can place 6 vet players on practice squad this year.

 

40 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I assume that's a condition negotiated by the NFLPA. If you're a vet player from a team with plenty of depth, and you get stuck on a PS, without any opportunity to play, imagine how much income they could potentially lose. I assume the same rules for counteroffers apply?

Not by the new rules for this season. Up to six vet players may be placed on a PS.

 

OK did find where that is the rules for this year. 

 

But still be surprised if they placed Kroft there and he likely has enough experience that some other team would sign him

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

OK did find where that is the rules for this year. 

 

But still be surprised if they placed Kroft there and he likely has enough experience that some other team would sign him

 

I think they keep 4 Tight Ends. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think they keep 4 Tight Ends. 

 

Personally I'd rather see them keep the 4 TE's ad go with only 6 WR.  That will alienate all the Duke Williams fans though.  But would prefer to keep Sweeney over Williams.  Actually if Sweeney shows any improvement in blocking, I'd keep him over Smith.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Personally I'd rather see them keep the 4 TE's ad go with only 6 WR.  That will alienate all the Duke Williams fans though.  But would prefer to keep Sweeney over Williams.  Actually if Sweeney shows any improvement in blocking, I'd keep him over Smith.

 

They will only keep 6 receivers and I think Duke is about 8th in the pecking order as I have it. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They will only keep 6 receivers and I think Duke is about 8th in the pecking order as I have it. 

 

I agree with you there too, but to many here it seems he should be around #4 or 5. 

 

Admittedly there's a good chance he could produce better than either of the two rookies (regardless of J Browns comments) but you don't allow draft choices to go that you view as better long term assets.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those protected spots only protect players starting the Thursday (?) of any given week. In other words, those players are still unprotected Monday through Wednesday. 

 

That is my understanding as well

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Because the NFLPA wants to allow these guys the ability to get promoted.  Therefore for a day and a half everyone is free.  This just gives teams a bit more protection if they know they have a weak area and prevent teams from exploiting that late in the week.

Yeah I get it, but it essentially does nothing. You can stash a player for a few days but then if you want to keep him you have to promote him to the active roster.

[eball]

Somebody probably already said it, but there is a "poaching period" from Sunday to Tuesday during which no PS players are protected.  Then, on Tuesday afternoon a team can protect up to four for the upcoming week.

 

Poaching is likely to be a negligible issue this year, though, because a player won't even be able to get into another team's facility for five days with the testing process.  So you poach knowing that guy won't be able to play for you that week.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think they keep 4 Tight Ends. 

I hope you are wrong. Three would seem to be a better option, with 7 wide receivers. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I hope you are wrong. Three would seem to be a better option, with 7 wide receivers. 

 

How so?

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They will only keep 6 receivers and I think Duke is about 8th in the pecking order as I have it. 

I guess this is what is meant when they refer to certain players as "polarizing." Never pass up an opportunity for a dig when a player is a fan favorite to some, but not to thee, even when the thread is not about that player.

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think they keep 4 Tight Ends. 

I feel like they're going to carry three QBs, and four RBs with Jones. I also think five DEs is a distinct possibility. An additional O-linesman, as well would not be surprising, as I think they are perceived as most vulnerable to attrition. The only sure fire way to keep these guys protected is to keep them on the 53. JMO.

[atlbillsfan1975]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

How so?

I think Knox, Kroft, and Smith are active with Sweeney  to PS. I’d like to see Sweeney beat out Smith, but I will believe it when I see it because how much McD likes vets. 

WR’s- Beasley, Brown, Diggs, Roberts,Davis,Foster, and Hodges. Roberts and Foster are special team guys. 
The early reviews are that the rookies know the playbook. I like their potential over the other guys. Duke maybe goes to PS. 

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I guess this is what is meant when they refer to certain players as "polarizing." Never pass up an opportunity for a dig when a player is a fan favorite to some, but not to thee, even when the thread is not about that player.

 

I didn't bring Duke up. But I do genuinely think he is behind Diggs, Brown and Beasley. He was behind McKenzie all last season who has a very specific role in what the OC does. They are not cutting Davis whatever the "everyone has to earn it" rhetoric is and Roberts is a lock as the return guy. So that is 6 he is behind. Then I think the draft pick they spent on Hodgins probably means they have more invested in him. 

[Rocky Landing]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I think Knox, Kroft, and Smith are active with Sweeney  to PS. I’d like to see Sweeney beat out Smith, but I will believe it when I see it because how much McD likes vets. 

WR’s- Beasley, Brown, Diggs, Roberts,Davis,Foster, and Hodges. Roberts and Foster are special team guys. 
The early reviews are that the rookies know the playbook. I like their potential over the other guys. Duke maybe goes to PS. 

I always chuckle a little when an NFL color commentator refers to Smith as, "blocking tight-end Lee Smith," when he's on the field. But, that (along with his vet presence, I suppose) is his value, and it isn't going to be replaced by Sweeney (or Kroft, for that matter).

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I think Knox, Kroft, and Smith are active with Sweeney  to PS. I’d like to see Sweeney beat out Smith, but I will believe it when I see it because how much McD likes vets. 

WR’s- Beasley, Brown, Diggs, Roberts,Davis,Foster, and Hodges. Roberts and Foster are special team guys. 
The early reviews are that the rookies know the playbook. I like their potential over the other guys. Duke maybe goes to PS. 

 

Foster does have a shot based on him making big teams improvements last year as a gunner. His issue is Davis projects as a potential gunner option too. If Foster doesn't win the main gunner job he is toast. 

15 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I feel like they're going to carry three QBs, and four RBs with Jones. I also think five DEs is a distinct possibility. An additional O-linesman, as well would not be surprising, as I think they are perceived as most vulnerable to attrition. The only sure fire way to keep these guys protected is to keep them on the 53. JMO.

 

I do think they will carry 3 QBs. If they carry Taiwan Jones it is a special teamer to play gunner so you are losing a receiver or a DB to do that. He isn't taking a tight end spot. 

[Rocky Landing]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I didn't bring Duke up. But I do genuinely think he is behind Diggs, Brown and Beasley. He was behind McKenzie all last season who has a very specific role in what the OC does. They are not cutting Davis whatever the "everyone has to earn it" rhetoric is and Roberts is a lock as the return guy. So that is 6 he is behind. Then I think the draft pick they spent on Hodgins probably means they have more invested in him. 

I feel like you've agreed with me in the past, though, that McKensie's value has, at least to some degree, been supplanted by Diggs. I'm not even saying this as an argument for putting Duke above him, but I would certainly think that McK's place on the roster is far less certain than it was this time last year.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

I feel like you've agreed with me in the past, though, that McKensie's value has, at least to some degree, been supplanted by Diggs. I'm not even saying this as an argument for putting Duke above him, but I would certainly think that McK's place on the roster is far less certain than it was this time last year.

 

Nah I don't think Diggs supplants McKenzie. They haven't brought Diggs here to run sweeps and reverses. They have brought him here to make plays down the field. Why do they think they drafted two bigger bodied receivers who make contested catches? It isn't because they think Duke is about to break out. 

 

McKenzie is at more risk than last year, because there are 5 locks - Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis and Roberts - and that still leaves them with a draft pick unaccounted. Teams don't like cutting draft picks so if Hodgins shows anything he will get the 6th spot. Duke is a big bodied, non separator, with good not great hands, who doesn't play teams and was inactive almost all of last year. He has to take a significant leap to jump over any of those guys.