Capco Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Buffalo716 said: If you are born into poverty you have more chances for advancement in America and the chance to become stable than in any country on this Earth Hard work is still rewarded here more than anywhere According to what quantitative metrics? A bunch of politicians chanting "America is the freest place on Earth" doesn't make it so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Buffalo716 said: If you are born into poverty you have more chances for advancement in America and the chance to become stable than in any country on this Earth Hard work is still rewarded here more than anywhere Completely false, but don't let my evidence disrupt your fantasy. America punishes and cripples the poor. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Just got domestic terrorism insurance for my house for the upcoming election...if Antifa or BLM riot, loot, or burn it to the ground I get it rebuilt, for free, from the ground up...God bless America! Lol Good move. I may not make it to December https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_from_laughter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Capco said: It's not my responsibility to be able to decipher your words because of your medical history. What you type is the only thing I can go off of. Would you like to clarify what you meant? Because it was a very strange post to comprehend. What I was trying to say, is that antifa shows fascist ideologies by suppressing people who don't agree with them There's a lot of reporters and people who have been harassed and suppress by them They call themselves anti-fascists while showing fascist actions 5 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Re: the first point - that’s a very blanket statement without any supporting evidence. Economically speaking? Which industries? We guarantee greater social and economic advancement opportunities than literally every other country? It’s simply not a provable statement - you may have a case within a specific economic industry or sector but even then you’ll have a hard time finding the evidence for it. Socially it’s even more uphill. We have more “places and opportunities for freedom?” Again, more so than every other country? By what measurement? Re your second statement, I fail to see how that is relevant - your words and comments speak for themselves. They knew what a fascist country was and America's not it I have family that lived it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dragoon said: I’m not gonna comment on this for the same reason McBeane doesn’t really comment on it. There’s no winning in this. You kneel with BLM and you alienate the patriotic folks. You go out of your way to say you love the country like Drew Brees and they’ll straight up come after you. We live in a country where people do not have tolerance for opinions that differ from their own. BLM is commies and patriotic folks are fascists. That’s how the two sides see each other. There’s no winning in this and that’s why the NFL never wanted this. Expressing an opinion is unpatriotic? Last I checked this country cherished freedom of speech. And how the Bills acknowledge that may well impact the product in the field, in the form of team unity, free agent acquisitions, and player performance. Sports and life have met again here. Edited July 30, 2020 by SectionC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Capco said: The guy literally just said to be against fascism is itself fascist, and your response to me is this? Erroneously calling something fascist and then fighting it doesn't make you anti-fascist. It makes you an idiot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Completely false, but don't let my evidence disrupt your fantasy. America punishes and cripples the poor. I know plenty of people who were born with nothing, and now with hard work they have everything they ever wanted So no I don't say BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, LB3 said: I'm sorry that you disparage those Americans by comparing them to the Marxist scum that Antifa is today. But I didn’t, I merely provided a historical reference. That you allow some loosely organized group to highjack the name is your issue. You could if you had the energy, state that they are not at all anti fascist but are indeed fascists themselves, and compare and contrast the two ideologies, but that takes thought and gumption as it were. Me I oppose actual fascism, and authoritarian rule, because I support a Democratic Republic known as America and the good it stands for. You see in America you can be any religion or none at all, you can be politically any thing from a gun toting right wing nut job to a flaming liberal and it’s totally legal until one attempts to harm someone, then you get your own dose of the due process of the rule of law, that no one is above. Easy on your knees, if you jerk them frequently it not very useful. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, klos63 said: No sticker , but we'll give you a helmet and a seat on the short bus. I'll sit where I want. Stop being a fascist. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I know plenty of people who were born with nothing, and now with hard work they have everything they ever wanted So no I don't say BS Completely anecdotal and irrelevant. Depending on the academic source you want to look at, the US will rank somewhere in the 20s in socioeconomic mobility. In other words, nowhere near #1. But keep talking out of your wrong end you’ve been on a roll recently. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: There were people killed in the chaz zone in Portland which was held by antifa and blm So how have they not killed? Get your facts straight first. 1.) The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was in Seattle, not Portland. 2.) The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was not created by anti-fascists, colloquially referred to by the right as "Antifa". 3.) Antifa is not an organization. There is no leader, there are no meetings, there are no creeds. "Antifa" is a blanket term used to refer to people of leftist ideology who are against fascism and far-right hate groups. Applying a catch-all name to anyone who opposes fascism or far-right hate groups -- who, as mentioned above, have been responsible for 329 deaths in the past 25 years -- is nothing more than modern day McCarthyism. A convenient boogeyman used to scare people. Ya know, kind of like "migrant caravan". Oh, and calling the anti-fascists fascist is too stupid to really even spend much breath on, so I won't. Here's an article about what "Antifa" is and isn't.https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/06/11/what-is-antifa-trump-protests 4.)Since we've already touched on CHAZ, which do you want to talk about next? Charlottesville? The Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting? The October 2018 Mail-bomb attempts? The Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting? If you're truly concerned about terrorism on American soil, I suggest you write your local congressperson about the rise of extreme right-wing domestic terrorism in the United States over the past decade.https://www.wired.com/story/boogaloo-movement-protests/ Edited July 30, 2020 by Logic 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Completely false, but don't let my evidence disrupt your fantasy. America punishes and cripples the poor. I’m not sure about that...we have sooo many welfare programs and government subsidies for housing...don’t know that I would call that punishing the poor...personal behavior and culture still plays the largest part in poverty, in my book...I’m living proof of that... Welfare certainly helped my family til we got our crap together, but you’re not going to get anywhere staying on that- it’s just to keep you afloat so you don’t drown...but it is up to the individual to further advance themselves if they want to get ahead imo... and there are endless opportunities in this country...? Edited July 30, 2020 by JaCrispy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, LB3 said: Erroneously calling something fascist and then fighting it doesn't make you anti-fascist. It makes you an idiot. Well, it was Buffalo716 who was using those labels, not I. Are you saying that he's an idiot then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Capco said: Well, it was Buffalo716 who was using those labels, not I. Are you saying that he's an idiot then? He stated he misspoke. I have no reason not to believe him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: What I was trying to say, is that antifa shows fascist ideologies by suppressing people who don't agree with them There's a lot of reporters and people who have been harassed and suppress by them They call themselves anti-fascists while showing fascist actions They knew what a fascist country was and America's not it I have family that lived it Okay, but relevant to your comments in this thread, it seems you’ve haven’t fully understood those experiences. This is like saying “I’m not racist, I have black friends.” I’m truly sorry for any tragedy your family may have experienced as a result of a fascist government, but there’s only one side to fascism and racism. It’s not a conversation to be had. It seems your family understood this as they fled. Fascism is, at its base, a political ideology - it’s not just a government or a dictator. Your comments on this thread have stood in direct conflict with your claimed experiences of listening to your family’s stories. Not everything has to be Nazi Germany for it to qualify as fascist/fascism. The term far outlives that government’s reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I know plenty of people who were born with nothing, and now with hard work they have everything they ever wanted So no I don't say BS And you don't think this happens in Iceland, Sweden, Singapore, England, Germany, France, etc? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Guys, enjoy the bickering. I’m not going there. Said what I said and done. God bless, and none of you are changing other people’s minds. You’re just bickering. God bless our Bills, and enjoy either, every side. I don’t here for that. I have made my opinions over a long time, notice I’m not giving it, and think what you think is best for you. Not up to me. One statement is at least we live in a place where all of you can say what you think. Whatever that is and god bless you whether I agree or not. You still have a right to you’re take. I stand by the earlier comment this is going nowhere other than just an argument, but you’re guys call. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Logic said: Get your facts straight first. 1.) The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was in Seattle, not Portland. 2.) The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was not created by anti-fascists, colloquially referred to by the right as "Antifa". 3.) Antifa is not an organization. There is no leader, there are no meetings, there are no creeds. "Antifa" is a blanket term used to refer to people of leftist ideology who are against fascism and far-right hate groups. Applying a catch-all name to anyone who opposes fascism or far-right hate groups -- who, as mentioned above, have been responsible for 329 deaths in the past 25 years -- is nothing more than modern day McCarthyism. A convenient boogeyman used to scare people. Ya know, kind of like "migrant caravan". Here's an article about what "Antifa" is and isn't.https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/06/11/what-is-antifa-trump-protests If you're truly worried about terrorism in our streets, feel free to write your local congressmen about the rise of armed, far-right militias:https://www.wired.com/story/boogaloo-movement-protests/ Weak sauce. That's like a underperforming month in far left Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Logic said: Get your facts straight first. 1.) The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was in Seattle, not Portland. 2.) The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was not created by anti-fascists, colloquially referred to by the right as "Antifa". 3.) Antifa is not an organization. There is no leader, there are no meetings, there are no creeds. "Antifa" is a blanket term used to refer to people of leftist ideology who are against fascism and far-right hate groups. Applying a catch-all name to anyone who opposes fascism or far-right hate groups -- who, as mentioned above, have been responsible for 329 deaths in the past 25 years -- is nothing more than modern day McCarthyism. A convenient boogeyman used to scare people. Ya know, kind of like "migrant caravan". Here's an article about what "Antifa" is and isn't.https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/06/11/what-is-antifa-trump-protests If you're truly worried about terrorism in our streets, feel free to write your local congressmen about the rise of armed, far-right militias:https://www.wired.com/story/boogaloo-movement-protests/ My bad. I actually hate watching our cities burn so I confused the two Secondly that's actually more dangerous. Because they have tons of mixed views all over the place . Are there non radicals? Sure But you can guarantee their are radicals and they preach what I've been saying. There are antifa members burning flags and wanting the us system basically abolished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 minute ago, LB3 said: Weak sauce. That's like a underperforming month in far left Chicago. Typical whataboutism. What a surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) Just now, Logic said: Typical whataboutism. What a surprise! Portland and Seattle are peaceful! Lol. Edited July 30, 2020 by LB3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: My bad. I actually hate watching our cities burn so I confused the two Secondly that's actually more dangerous. Because they have tons of mixed views all over the place . Are there non radicals? Sure But you can guarantee their are radicals and they preach what I've been saying. There are antifa members burning flags and wanting the us system basically abolished Like I said above:Since we've already touched on CHAZ, which do you want to talk about next? Charlottesville? The Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting? The October 2018 Mail-bomb attempts? The Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting?If you're truly concerned about terrorism on American soil, I suggest you write your local congressperson about the rise of extreme right-wing domestic terrorism in the United States over the past decade.https://www.wired.com/story/boogaloo-movement-protests/ Just now, LB3 said: Portland is peaceful! Lol. Yet more whataboutism. Shocking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: What I was trying to say, is that antifa shows fascist ideologies by suppressing people who don't agree with them There's a lot of reporters and people who have been harassed and suppress by them They call themselves anti-fascists while showing fascist actions Are you saying that Americans should tolerate fascism in their society? Because it's the fascists that Antifa are "suppressing" or fighting against. The US Army, Navy, and Army Air Forces were not showing fascist tendencies when they suppressed the fascism of Italy, Germany, and Japan during WWII. Suppression of the opposition isn't something that's exclusive to fascism, either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, LB3 said: Weak sauce. That's like a underperforming month in far left Chicago. If you think anything in America is far left, you'e delusional. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Logic said: Like I said above:Since we've already touched on CHAZ, which do you want to talk about next? Charlottesville? The Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting? The October 2018 Mail-bomb attempts? The Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting?If you're truly concerned about terrorism on American soil, I suggest you write your local congressperson about the rise of extreme right-wing domestic terrorism in the United States over the past decade.https://www.wired.com/story/boogaloo-movement-protests/ Whataboutism. Let's talk about Chiraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 This thread is really going places now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Completely anecdotal and irrelevant. Depending on the academic source you want to look at, the US will rank somewhere in the 20s in socioeconomic mobility. In other words, nowhere near #1. But keep talking out of your wrong end you’ve been on a roll recently. Where would you rather live than America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: If you think anything in America is far left, you'e delusional. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Capco said: Are you saying that Americans should tolerate fascism in their society? Because it's the fascists that Antifa are "suppressing" or fighting against. The US Army, Navy, and Army Air Forces were not showing fascist tendencies when they suppressed the fascism of Italy, Germany, and Japan during WWII. Suppression of the opposition isn't something that's exclusive to fascism, either. People who dislike Antifa -- which, again, doesn't exist in the way they think it does -- are upset because they perceive that this big, scary boogeyman "suppresses free speech" (even though they only try to suppress HATE speech that incites violence) and destroy property. Meanwhile, they don't give one iota of a damn about actual murders and acts of terror committed on American soil by right wing extremists. They don't say a peep about that.They also apparently don't care about the clear-as-day rise of fascist practices -- like unmarked police forces throwing protestors into unmarked vehicles and detaining them indefinitely without reading them their rights. I mean...when you sympathize with fascism and dislike ANTI-fascism, well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: If you think anything in America is far left, you'e delusional. (I posted this in another thread a couple days ago) Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words. Here's where our two parties lie on a complete left-right spectrum of the major political parties in the world. If you drew a line connecting those two highlighted dots and found their midpoint (i.e. the middle of America), it would fall quite far to the right of the center as defined by the aggregate political policies of the entire world. The United States is one of the most right wing industrialized nations in the world. You can see how our "left" is barely to the left of center. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, LB3 said: Whataboutism. Let's talk about Chiraq. I see you googled the word. Good for you. Pointing out that anti-fascists have been guilty of 0 murders while the people they oppose have been guilty of 329 seems quite on-topic to me, but I respect you taking the time to learn new things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Logic said: People who dislike Antifa -- which, again, doesn't exist in the way they think it does -- are upset because they perceive that this big, scary boogeyman "suppresses free speech" (even though they only try to suppress HATE speech that incites violence) and destroy property. Meanwhile, they don't give one iota of a damn about actual murders and acts of terror committed on American soil by right wing extremists. They don't say a peep about that.They also apparently don't care about the clear-as-day rise of fascist practices -- like unmarked police forces throwing protestors into unmarked vehicles and detaining them indefinitely without reading them their rights. I mean...when you sympathize with fascism and dislike ANTI-fascism, well... I don't think anybody here said they don't care about right-wing terrorism Any form of disruption on this country's soil is wrong. There is peaceful protest and there is anarchy And we have had months of non peaceful protest in this country. And cities have burned to the ground It's not even a left or right thing. You either love America or you hate it. You either bring people together or you push them further apart. and Antifa is not doing much to bring us together They're calling people who don't agree with them fascists. Average joes who are not fascist and that's causing division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, LB3 said: Now that I can comment. Lizabeth, Lizabeth, I’m comin. That was a funny show. LB, thanks for levity. Da Dana Dana it, Da, Dana, Danit DaNa It, Da, Danit, Dante, Da. keep em comin, as this has turned into a fascist, Marxist, communist regime. Wasn’t that a line from Lethal Weapon 2 in the South African consulate. Cmon guys. As Uncle Hulka said, lighten up Francis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Well I had a brain fart, I actually clearly see what I said there I've had over a dozen concussions playing football and probably have cte We never doubted it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: We never doubted it You don't have to be a d*** about it lol Edited July 30, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Im really suprised this post has gone this far in the Stadium Wall. Did the mods take the week off? Some really nasty stuff said about many ethnicity groups. We are a melting pot of fans and this is wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, Capco said: (I posted this in another thread a couple days ago) Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words. Here's where our two parties lie on a complete left-right spectrum of the major political parties in the world. If you drew a line connecting those two highlighted dots and found their midpoint (i.e. the middle of America), it would fall quite far to the right of the center as defined by the aggregate political policies of the entire world. The United States is one of the most right wing industrialized nations in the world. You can see how our "left" is barely to the left of center. I mean, okay, it’s a pretty picture. Where’s it from, and what methodology did the creator use to come up with that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, fansince88 said: Im really suprised this post has gone this far in the Stadium Wall. Did the mods take the week off? I know mod work has to be thankless, lots of OT, and no compensation—but yes why hasn’t this been moved to the PPP swamp to gurgle itself out in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: They're calling people who don't agree with them fascists. Average joes who are not fascist and that's causing division cue the “iF yoUrE NoT oUt ThErE mArChiNg yOuRe a FaScIsT” brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I know mod work has to be thankless, lots of OT, and no compensation—but yes why hasn’t this been moved to the PPP swamp to gurgle itself out in? I frequent PPP these days and this isnt even for tmfor that IMHO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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