Dan Orlovsky just did AFCE QB rankings on ESPN. Had Allen at #3!

[Bangarang]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You're good w/Allen ranked 3rd QB in the division?

When it comes to Orlovsky or any other random media member, I honestly couldn’t care less.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Bangarang

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Probably fewer than 10.  Tuna couldn't stay healthy in college.  And the best ability is...

 

I agree...I am not sure more the 2 or 3 would take Tua over Allen, and wouldn't surprise me if none did.  I was just granting him the benefit of the doubt someone would because there are some pretty stupid GM's out there.  

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I would bet less than 10 teams in the NFL would choose Tua over Allen right now today.  Allen showed great strides and people who know football are high on Allen.  There are some GM's that may not be sold, but I don't think its many and its probably none of the good ones.  

Because of Tua’s health, he won’t get all the votes like he would if he stayed healthy. But I think you’re overrating.  Our quarterback averages less than 200 yards passing: game in a league that is set up to pass.  It would be silly not to have questions about Allen as a quarterback. 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, any luck getting his address? 

$1k says Allen best ANY/A in the division by end of regular season if you aren’t accepting don’t @me

[Bangarang]

9 minutes ago, MJS said:

That's the whole premise of this thread...

But that wasn’t the point I was discussing...

[GoBills808]

Just now, Bangarang said:

I honestly couldn’t care less.

Posted what like 25 times in this thread since it opened a couple hrs ago

[Bangarang]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Posted what like 25 times in this thread since it opened a couple hrs ago

That’s probably true but is that supposed to somehow prove I care about what DO thinks? 
 

Weak gotcha attempt.

[NoSaint]

6 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Kind of. He tends to go back and forth on him.  I just can't believe he would rank a rookie over a QB who just took his team to the playoffs.  

For much of the league, a wildcard birth isn’t near the accomplishment this board makes it out to be.

 

it’s still a good season, and not trashing the team but it’s not a major feat either.

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because of Tua’s health, he won’t get all the votes like he would if he stayed healthy. But I think you’re overrating.  Our quarterback averages less than 200 yards passing: game in a league that is set up to pass.  It would be silly not to have questions about Allen as a quarterback. 

 

Last time I checked, 30 TDs was 30 TDs.  

 

Hes a dual threat weapon in a league that just saw a dual threat QB win MVP.  Allen was second ONLY to Lamar last year from week 5 to end of season in scoring.  That was after he openly admitted he had to adjust his game after the week 4 NE game.  He put up 21 TDs and only 3 Turnovers over that span.  

 

You are severely undervaluing him.  

 

Not to mention...9 new starters, rotation on the OL that didnt settle all year, and a league leading drops by his receivers, another group that was all new to him and changed all year long.  

 

And just his 2nd season.  Allen had a 109 rating throwing deep to John Brown and a 21 QB rating throwing deep to everyone else.  What do you think Diggs, the leagues number 1 deep ball WR and number 1 contested catch WR is going to do for Allen and that deep ball?  What do you think Diggs is going to do for opening up John Brown more and Cole?  Not to mention how it will help Knox and the RB's coming out of the backfield?  

 

Sorry man, you have been under selling Allen for a while.  There is a LOT more to love here than you give him credit for.  Not to mention, how clutch he has been and how many big positive strides he has taken in small periods of time since he last stepped foot on a Wyoming football field.  

 

To be honest, I am not really sure any GM would take Tua over Allen, I am just assuming some would given the amount of bad GMs out there. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

That’s probably true but is that supposed to somehow prove I care about what DO thinks? 
 

Weak gotcha attempt.

You're right. It's way more reasonable to care about what other people think about what DO thinks.

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You're right. It's way more reasonable to care about what other people think about what DO thinks.

Maybe seeing Allen 3rd in Orlovsky’s eyes has you in a blind rage because that’s not what’s actually happening.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Bangarang

[GoBills808]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Maybe seeing Allen 3rd in Orlovsky’s eyes has you in a blind rage because that’s not what I’ve been discussing here.

Please don't make me do a compilation thread quote

[buffaloboyinATL]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

For much of the league, a wildcard birth isn’t near the accomplishment this board makes it out to be.

 

it’s still a good season, and not trashing the team but it’s not a major feat either.

It is at least a step in the right direction. For the team and for Allen. 

[Bangarang]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Please don't make me do a compilation thread quote

 

You just lost the element of surprise. Now I’m going to edit everything that proves me wrong.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

You just lost the element of surprise. Now I’m going to edit everything that proves me wrong.

Foiled!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 hours ago, Doc said:

Dan who?

...the "where's the end zone guy", right??.....

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

28 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

For much of the league, a wildcard birth isn’t near the accomplishment this board makes it out to be.

 

it’s still a good season, and not trashing the team but it’s not a major feat either.

 

For the Buffalo Bills it is!  2nd playoff appearance in two of the last three years since 1999.  But like you said, for much of the league.  

Edited May 27, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Standards are super low for Bills fans due to the recent two decade tire fire.

 

Try waking-up anytime in the past 3 years.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

2 one and done playoff appearances with a .500 record overall the past 3 years sure is a nice change from the disaster that was the Buffalo Bills from 2001 to 2013.... it’s really not much of an accomplishment though. 

It's pretty remarkable how you're able to plumb the depths of misery that is the Bills' recent history and yet have such high standards for what you consider an accomplishment.

[Billl]

58 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Probably fewer than 10.  Tuna couldn't stay healthy in college.  And the best ability is...

https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/josh-allen/9962

[Bleedingreennc]

To be Honest, Darnold and Allen are 1a and 1b. Obviously im hoping Darnold gets better, and with an improved OL i think he will. But to say Tua is better than Allen is riduculous. I do admit that the Bills will win the division, the Jets and Dolphins will battle for the 2nd spot, but with the Jets having the 2nd hardest schedule i think the Dolphins take the 2nd spot. All hail the Pats being last. I wouldnt be surprised if the Pats go 0-6 in the division.

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

in terms of pure talent id rank them

 

Darnold

Tua/Allen

Patriots QB whomever it is.

 

 

Darnold is the most talented guy, but has been ruined by an inept Jets front office and coaching staff.

 

Tua has all the arm and athletic talent in the world and is a dual threat much like Allen. He is the real deal, IMO. Hate that he went to Miami. Can he remain healthy is the question. Will it transition to the pros.

 

 

 

How has he been ruined? He went 6-2 at the end of the season with a garbage OL. With a revamped OL i think he will flourish.

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

To be Honest, Darnold and Allen are 1a and 1b. Obviously im hoping Darnold gets better, and with an improved OL i think he will. But to say Tua is better than Allen is riduculous. I do admit that the Bills will win the division, the Jets and Dolphins will battle for the 2nd spot, but with the Jets having the 2nd hardest schedule i think the Dolphins take the 2nd spot. All hail the Pats being last. I wouldnt be surprised if the Pats go 0-6 in the division.

I love how competitive those two are with each other. I really hope they spend the next 10 plus years competing with each other for first place in the AFCE.

[Bleedingreennc]

Just now, buffaloboyinATL said:

I love how competitive those two are with each other. I really hope they spend the next 10 plus years competing with each other for first place in the AFCE.

The fact that they are friends and hangout with each other speaks to the character that both of them have.

[Bleedingreennc]

8 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I love how competitive those two are with each other. I really hope they spend the next 10 plus years competing with each other for first place in the AFCE.

And it makes our division even better due to the fact that there is going to be more variety and diversity with the Pats coming back to earth.......Bye Pats fans

[MJS]

11 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

To be Honest, Darnold and Allen are 1a and 1b. Obviously im hoping Darnold gets better, and with an improved OL i think he will. But to say Tua is better than Allen is riduculous. I do admit that the Bills will win the division, the Jets and Dolphins will battle for the 2nd spot, but with the Jets having the 2nd hardest schedule i think the Dolphins take the 2nd spot. All hail the Pats being last. I wouldnt be surprised if the Pats go 0-6 in the division.

 

How has he been ruined? He went 6-2 at the end of the season with a garbage OL. With a revamped OL i think he will flourish.

 

I don't really understand those fans who think Darnold is a bad QB. Yeah, he needs to turn the ball over less, but he has shown flashes of excellent QB play. He's talented.

 

And Allen is also talented and has shown he's a winner. I'd certainly rank both of them over Tua, who is a rookie and needs to come in and prove he can play at this level and stay healthy.

[Bleedingreennc]

Just now, MJS said:

 

I don't really understand those fans who think Darnold is a bad QB. Yeah, he needs to turn the ball over less, but he has shown flashes of excellent QB play. He's talented.

 

And Allen is also talented and has shown he's a winner. I'd certainly rank both of them over Tua, who is a rookie and needs to come in and prove he can play at this level and stay healthy.

They both are talented, hell, i would have been happy with the Jets drafting Allen, and he scares the ***** out of me every time he drops back against the Jets. Tua is an unknown, and to rate him ahead of Allen is homerism. Also, to rate Fitz as the #1 QB in the AFCE is just dreaming, to think that is ######ed.....and you know who you are, i saw your posts....

[buffaloboyinATL]

4 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

And it makes our division even better due to the fact that there is going to be more variety and diversity with the Pats coming back to earth.......Bye Pats fans

After a few losing seasons, there will be much fewer of them. #fairweatherfans. #TampaBayherewecome

[Bleedingreennc]

2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

After a few losing seasons, there will be much fewer of them. #fairweatherfans. #TampaBayherewecome

Stidham......LMAO!!!!

[NoSaint]

56 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

It is at least a step in the right direction. For the team and for Allen. 

it is! 

 

but not a hugely meaningful one.

 

TT was a pro bowl and playoff qb for us.

[Bleedingreennc]

7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

it is! 

 

but not a hugely meaningful one.

 

TT was a pro bowl and playoff qb for us.

Allen scares me more than TT

[Troll Toll]

I’ll say this... Darnold was my #1 QB going into the draft where we took Allen. Initially I was really disappointed we wound up with Allen instead. After two seasons it is a no contest for me that Josh is better. I call it like I see it, no Bills blinders on. Allen is a whole level above any other AFC East QB. If DaBoll can put it all together as a play caller we have a very real shot at the Super Bowl this year.

 

I don’t see how anyone could argue Allen is beneath anyone in the East.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Troll Toll

[Bleedingreennc]

2 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

I’ll say this... Darnold was my #1 QB going into the draft where we took Allen. Initially I was really disappointed we wound up with Allen instead. After two seasons it is a no contest for me that Josh is better. I call it like I see it, no Bills blinders on. Allen is a whole level above any other AFC East QB. If DaBoll can put it all together as a play caller we have a very real shot at the Super Bowl this year.

 

I don’t see how anyone could afgue Allen is beneath anyone in the East.

How is Josh better?

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Bleedingreennc said:

Allen scares me more than TT

 

he should! Unfortunately he might scare us more too. 
 

This year should be a slam dunk for him. Curious to see where it goes from there though. Will be an exciting ride wherever it ends.

[Troll Toll]

3 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

How is Josh better?

Josh Allen IS the Bills offense. He makes things happen when nobody else can and comes through on tough downs like 3rd and longs over and over again. The fact that he had any level of success his rookie year with the worst offensive supporting cast I’ve seen in 25 years watching the Bills speaks volumes. Barring any key injuries, Josh’s status at the top of the East will be crystal clear at the end of this year.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

8 hours ago, Doc said:

Dan who?

 

Dan "eleven yard endzone" Orlovsky.

8 hours ago, FireChans said:

This isn’t a media bashing thread but if they don’t love Allen, they have an “agenda.”

 

Hmmmm

 

There is lot of space between loving Allen and thinking a rookie Tua is better than a third year Allen. Like the OP I can get the Darnold love although I would have Allen slightly ahead of Darnold at this point. But Tua? That seems absurd. Heck, I'd even be fine with Fitzpatrick ahead of both Allen and Darnold. 

[GoBills808]

36 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

A playoff win is high standards? Yikes. Come on man. Set your bar higher. 

You said you don’t consider 2/3 playoff years ‘much of an accomplishment’. With respect to the recent Bills history you referenced I suggested your standards for accomplishment might be a little too high.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

7 hours ago, DCOrange said:

Allen and Darnold haven't been anything special up to this point;

Can't fully agree here. Allen has been a beast with his legs. Until Lamar Jackson exploded last season, Allen as a rookie put up arguably the best six game rushing streak of any NFL QB in history. Right there with prime Vick. And that is part of the total package with Allen. Allen has also improved his game over the course of each of his first two seasons. The way he finished the final 8 or 10 games of last season was pretty impressive IMO.

[HappyDays]

It's really dumb to rank players in order like that. What is the difference between the 24th QB and the 25th QB? I prefer to place players in tiers. Allen and Darnold are both in the same tier. Tua is in the same tier as any other 1st round QB, and that tier should not even be in the same ranked list as everyone else. Stidham is in the bottom tier of starting QBs unless proven otherwise. I can't imagine trying to argue that there is an objective ranking that puts Darnold ahead of Allen, or vice versa for that matter. And you can't even try to compare a newly drafted rookie to a 2 year starter.

Edited May 27, 2020 by HappyDays

[JMF2006]

What does bad ole Dan know about being an NFL QB?

 

He held a clip board and stroked Staffords balls for most of his so called career.

 

He must be jealous of JA17

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

8 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Click bait.  That simple.

100%. 
Tua flashed just enough potential in college to not make this a laughable ranking.