The Jokeman Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) So in reviewing the clues from Beane on the trade that didn't happen because the guy we wanted was drafted before the trade happened 1)It was an offensive lineman 2) It was with a NFC team and 3) it was a move up 3 or 4 picks In Round 3, Lloyd Cushenberry was drafted 4 picks above us and could have moved up 3 spots with the Rams fits the clues to a t. In Round 6, Blake Brandell was drafted 4 picks above us by the Vikings who also owned a pick 2 ahead of us. Yet not sure we'd want to give the Vikings more picks. Thoughts? Edited April 28, 2020 by The Jokeman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: So in reviewing the clues from Beane on the trade that didn't happen because the guy we wanted was drafted before the trade happened 1)It was an offensive lineman 2) It was with a NFC and 3) it was a move up 3 or 4 picks In Round 3, Lloyd Cushenberry was drafted 4 picks above us and could have moved up 3 spots with the Rams fits the clues to a t. In Round 6, Blake Brandell was drafted 4 picks above us by the Vikings who also owned a pick 2 ahead of us. Yet not sure we'd want to give the Vikings more picks. Thoughts? I'm not sure I believe that he didn't have Moss targeted in the 3rd round. I'd have to go with the 6th round. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I don’t know about the NFC stuff, but everyone I’ve spoken to says it was Muti. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, DFT said: I don’t know about the NFC stuff, but everyone I’ve spoken to says it was Muti. Beane said it was an NFC team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Beane said it was an NFC team I totally understand, but it’s not uncommon to disinform even after the fact. Also, his comment could have been referring to the Giants at 180. There’s a lot of grey here, but I’m pretty sure it was Muti. Just my opinion. It’ll come out I’m sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, DFT said: I don’t know about the NFC stuff, but everyone I’ve spoken to says it was Muti. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/27/brandon-beane-reveals-buffalo-bills-potential-2020-nfl-draft-trade/ Muti doesn't fit 3 or 4 picks away as he was the second pick in round 6, we owned eighth pick in round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc said: I'm not sure I believe that he didn't have Moss targeted in the 3rd round. I'd have to go with the 6th round. Wasn't it reported that they tried to trade up as high as 7 spots for Moss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonymario Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I was under the impression that Beane was in talks with an NFC team to partner in a trade to move up to their (the NFC teams) spot. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, anthonymario said: I was under the impression that Beane was in talks with an NFC team to partner in a trade to move up to their (the NFC teams) spot. I could be wrong. That's how I read it too hence my speculations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/27/brandon-beane-reveals-buffalo-bills-potential-2020-nfl-draft-trade/ Muti doesn't fit 3 or 4 picks away as he was the second pick in round 6, we owned eighth pick in round. I’m not going by what Beane said on the call, just going by what’s being discussed by those who have heard otherwise. I have nothing to base this on, just sidebar conversations with a few individuals who would know beyond just speculation or reading tea leaves. Again, nothing here but an opinion. Also, the same individuals both say that the reason for the disinformation is because there’s some bad blood with the club that drafted Muti over their erroneous leaking that they stole Melvin Gordon from Buffalo, when Buffalo wasn’t ever interested (aside from taking a call from D Bilbo (Gordon’s agent). Take this for what it’s worth. A Canadian beaver nickel. Edited April 28, 2020 by DFT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, DFT said: I’m not going by what Beane said on the call, just going by what’s being discussed by those who have heard otherwise. I have nothing to base this on, just sidebar conversations with a few individuals who would know beyond just speculation or reading tea leaves. Again, nothing here but an opinion. Yeah no inside info from me so if you have some than you're better guesser than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, The Jokeman said: Yeah no inside info from me so if you have some than you're better guesser than me. I think it’s mostly speculative, but both are well placed and trustworthy. They’re also not affiliated with each other so that lends me to believe the smoke/fire aspect. That’s all I’ve got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Wasn't it reported that they tried to trade up as high as 7 spots for Moss? Yup. They wanted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 FWIW, I heard that the Bills tried to trade up for Devin Duvernay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) It’s not in the 3rd round , as Beane later said that the pick in question here for this mystery player would have already been traded away if they had of been able to move up for Moss like they were trying to.. Edited April 28, 2020 by Aussie Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/27/brandon-beane-reveals-buffalo-bills-potential-2020-nfl-draft-trade/ Muti doesn't fit 3 or 4 picks away as he was the second pick in round 6, we owned eighth pick in round. Based on what Beane said, he was trying to trade up 3-4 picks with an NFC team, but during the discussion the guy got picked. So the 2nd pick of round 6 when we have the 8th is consistent with what Beane was saying. He also said the player was picked by an AFC team. He may have been trying to trade w/ the Panthers or Giants, but the Broncos jumped on him before they got to the team being on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) I assumed Claypool second round... 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: FWIW, I heard that the Bills tried to trade up for Devin Duvernay Man that would’ve been a good get. I like the receivers they drafted but he would’ve added a fun speed and YAC element to the offense - McKenzie but good. Edited April 28, 2020 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I assumed Claypool second round... Man that would’ve been a good get. I like the receivers they drafted but he would’ve added a fun speed and YAC element to the offense - McKenzie but good. I’m wondering if Beane saying it was an OL was BS so as to not cause controversy when he took Davis with the next pick? I heard Duvernay. Maybe my info is bad? I doubt it though. It’s easy to say it was an OL when you didn’t draft another one after to have to answer to, “hey we wanted someone else instead.” Edited April 28, 2020 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m wondering if Beane saying it was an OL was BS so as to not cause controversy when he took Davis with the next pick? I heard Duvernay. Maybe my info is bad? I doubt I though. It’s easy to say it was an OL when you didn’t draft another one after to have to answer to, “hey we wanted someone else instead.” Muti would’ve been an interesting get as well - if not for injury issues he’s a top interior lineman prospect - if he stays healthy he could end up being one of the steals of the draft. Would’ve been a fan favorite here. Ah well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Muti would’ve been an interesting get as well - if not for injury issues he’s a top interior lineman prospect - if he stays healthy he could end up being one of the steals of the draft. Would’ve been a fan favorite here. Ah well. Absolutely! If not for the covid issues deterring the medical e v a l portion of meeting with him, he most likely would’ve gone 3-4th round. If he’s as healthy as advertised, the Broncos got a steal of a pick. He’s a great kid, too. I wish him the absolute best. 55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: FWIW, I heard that the Bills tried to trade up for Devin Duvernay I could see that. The Bills liked him. I think it was someone from our team that said he was like a young Steve Smith. Ravens got a good one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Trading up in the 4th or 6th? whatever... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 hours ago, DFT said: I totally understand, but it’s not uncommon to disinform even after the fact. Also, his comment could have been referring to the Giants at 180. There’s a lot of grey here, but I’m pretty sure it was Muti. Just my opinion. It’ll come out I’m sure. Muti was thought to be an excellent match for our gap/power scheme. So that sure fits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 hours ago, mikemac2001 said: Who cares I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: Wasn't it reported that they tried to trade up as high as 7 spots for Moss? Seems to me I read that. They tried to move up for him and he fell to them anyway. But weren’t they also in the midst of a trade when targeted player was picked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 If he was targeting an O-Lineman, that rules out Round 2. We picked at 54 and the last OL player to go before us was Robert Hunt at 39. Beane stated they were targeting Zack Moss the entire time in Round 3, and actually tried to move-up for him. Also ruled out. Now Beane says he was discussing the trade with an NFC General Manager. He also states the pick was about 3-4 spots above ours. In Round 4, we picked at 128. OT Charlie Heck went only two picks before us. So if we were targeting him, that would mean we were discussing a trade up one spot with Philly. This doesn't fit. However, Detroit took OG Logan Stenberg 7 picks before us. And Chicago owned pick 125 (eventually traded to the Jets). This is a fit. In Round 5, there are several fits. We picked at 167. There are several NFC teams between us and when OC Nick Harris was picked at 160. It's also worth noting that Beane "wasn't planning" on targeting a QB this weekend, and picked Jake Fromm simply because of value on the board. This also suggests he was targeting something else, but it fell through. There are also fits in Round 6. We picked at 188. There were a handful of OL players picked in the early 180s (Hakeem Adeniji, Netane Muti and Michael Onwenu). There are also a group of NFC GMs in-between, including our counterpart the Panthers at 184. We ended up taking a kicker at that pick. Later in the round, OT Blake Brandel went a few picks before us. With the Vikings sitting in-between. Round 7 has Dustin Woodard going nine spots before us, with a handful of NFC teams in-between. So by process of elimination, I believe the player Beane was targeting is among this list: OG Logan Stenberg OC Nick Harris OT Hakeem Adeniji OG Netane Muti OG Michael Onwenu OT Blake Brandel OC Dustin Woodard 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, gregor7777 said: I do why it’s something u can’t control and don’t really know and knowing changes nothing. We got our guys where we got them. is it so you can debate this guy is better then who we picked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, mikemac2001 said: why it’s something u can’t control and don’t really know and knowing changes nothing. We got our guys where we got them. is it so you can debate this guy is better then who we picked? I think this is obvious, but I'll share anyhow: because we're on a football message board, there is no football going on, I like the Buffalo Bills, I follow their draft, I watch them play, and I'm interested in players they thought would be a good fit. Someone else shared this interest, and posted it online. Then you asked your question, and I answered it. Stay safe! ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, The Jokeman said: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/27/brandon-beane-reveals-buffalo-bills-potential-2020-nfl-draft-trade/ Muti doesn't fit 3 or 4 picks away as he was the second pick in round 6, we owned eighth pick in round. Beane wasn’t exact on how many picks ahead it was. He just guessed 3 or 4 picks, so could be Muti. He just knew it wasn’t that far ahead of us. Also, saw some others think it was the 3rd. But Beane said he was real nervous about the Moss pick, was hoping he would last. I don’t think it was the third he was trying to trade up for an OL. He said the wait for Moss was more stressful than the wait for Espensa Edited April 28, 2020 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: FWIW, I heard that the Bills tried to trade up for Devin Duvernay Can confirm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Can confirm. The whole “it was an OL” was BS. It’s a strong play by Beane though. Since the Bills didn’t take another OL it doesn’t put that guy in a weird situation. It would have been an awkward conversation with Gabriel Davis otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The whole “it was an OL” was BS. It’s a strong play by Beane though. Since the Bills didn’t take another OL it doesn’t put that guy in a weird situation. It would have been an awkward conversation with Gabriel Davis otherwise. Why mention it then? Seems odd to bring it up on his own and then have to lie about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Quote I was on a player that got selected three or four slots ahead of one of our picks. I was on with a team with the NFC, and we pretty much had worked out the parameters for that move. And while I was talking to that GM, the player got selected. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/4/26/21237260/2020-nfl-draft-brandon-beane-transcript-from-day-2-aj-epenesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Doc said: Why mention it then? Seems odd to bring it up on his own and then have to lie about it. He could have said no position I guess. If he told them the truth it would have been awkward for Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 59 minutes ago, gregor7777 said: I think this is obvious, but I'll share anyhow: because we're on a football message board, there is no football going on, I like the Buffalo Bills, I follow their draft, I watch them play, and I'm interested in players they thought would be a good fit. Someone else shared this interest, and posted it online. Then you asked your question, and I answered it. Stay safe! ? Oh it’s a message board I didn’t realize that I get having a debate and discussion but you could have this about every player and pick in the draft and where we might have moved up and down it’s not like debating between the WRs or RBs on the board when we picked this player or that player or why didn’t we pick this player instead of fromm or bass. In this scenario there are to many unknowns and it’s very pointless because of that. That’s why I stated who cares if you guys do have a discussion. I’ll get out of the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, mikemac2001 said: I’ll get out of the thread Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, gregor7777 said: Thanks cool Bro ignore all the facts and have a snarky comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 My initial guess was EAson in the 4th, trade with Cowboys. Eason went the pick before. They went with Fromm in the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: cool Bro ignore all the facts and have a snarky comment "who cares" - 2020, unknown author, full of facts and no snark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 50 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The whole “it was an OL” was BS. It’s a strong play by Beane though. Since the Bills didn’t take another OL it doesn’t put that guy in a weird situation. It would have been an awkward conversation with Gabriel Davis otherwise. I like Davis. But Duvernay would fit the offense better and contribute right away. Ah well. Like the pass-catchers we've got now, now we need to coach up those rooks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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