jimmy10 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 So many alpha male-y takes. I know “mitigating risk” and “greater good” are tough concepts, but please try to stop being pricks about it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nelius said: Honestly, you should probably be wearing some kind of eye protection at the store as well. Don't say screw it and just wade through some virus, go full Mad Max and protect yourself. I’m good, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, SinceThe70s said: I did. You've said nothing more here than in the post that I quoted. I don't think it's stupid at all. It's a mitigation strategy to try to prevent the healthcare system from being overrun. It was overrun by me and I assume would have been far worse without the restrictions. I'll ask again, do you think we'd be better off had we not shut down? Was letting it run its course a better option? Or did you have another solution in mind? Overrun? Hospitals are laying off all over the country because they are empty or only a 3rd full. The media makes it seem like hospitals are overwhelmed but they're not. There was even a report I read that I can post here so you can see for yourself that NYC alone added 3700 "presumptive" cases to their death tolls. So, it wouldn't surprise me if numbers are inflated to begin with. And to answer your question, yes. I would say letting it run it's course is the much better option and probably the better way to get rid of it. Not closing down and just going business as usual. Let the immuno compromised or the ones that are having symptoms or are actually sick with it stay home and recover and let everyone just go out and do what they can with no shut down. We can't live this way forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, buffalover4life said: We have been social distancing for 5+ weeks. we should have an idea of who has and does not have covid-19. I have been very careful for 5+ weeks and believe at this point it is safe to visit my family... these are small gatherings and I wouldn't take anymore from these players than has already been taken. And this is proof why we need professionals sometimes having to dictate behavior for their will always be those who because they can’t see it , don’t believe it is there or will ever affect them. We have very little ides of who has had it , who may be asymptomatic carriers are this point ( may be as high as 14-15% in some communities ), and therefore one has little knowledge who to avoid or who should still be in quarantine still to avoid endangering elderly , those with hypertension , diabetes etc. One player lost his grandfather 2 weeks prior to the draft to covid 19, and we are just beginning to see new infections level off ( not disappear!) so having these groups of people MAY indeed cause some to lose more if some at risk people get unknowingly exposed. I hope it doesn’t happen, but hoping will not prevent it and people should not drop their guards as this virus will be around in waves over the next year. And I know you are thinking, well it’s all young people at these gatherings, and covid is no big deal for the young. Unless you happen to be one of the 20 , or 30 year olds that did die, and realize that 55% of hospitalizations are in the age group from 20-50. My point is don’t feel sorry for what little “ has been taken “ from these players as they can still lose much more valuable things ( like grandparents ) by making seemingly harmless decisions to group together before wide testing or a vaccine is available. No time to let your guard down, it is still dangerous for many people. Hope your family is well and safe tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Overrun? Hospitals are laying off all over the country because they are empty or only a 3rd full. Citation needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 This link reminds me of how any COVID 19 discussion ends up being https://babylonbee.com/news/infographic-common-covid-19-talking-points-and-what-they-actually-mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: Citation needed. You can read the millions of articles about it all over the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: Overrun? Hospitals are laying off all over the country because they are empty or only a 3rd full. The media makes it seem like hospitals are overwhelmed but they're not. There was even a report I read that I can post here so you can see for yourself that NYC alone added 3700 "presumptive" cases to their death tolls. So, it wouldn't surprise me if numbers are inflated to begin with. And to answer your question, yes. I would say letting it run it's course is the much better option and probably the better way to get rid of it. Not closing down and just going business as usual. Let the immuno compromised or the ones that are having symptoms or are actually sick with it stay home and recover and let everyone just go out and do what they can with no shut down. We can't live this way forever On this last point I agree 100%. My sense is that it would have been far far worse if we just let it run it's course. I can tell you second hand that the hospitals in my area were overrun, not sure how it's played out all over the country. Chilling thing for me 3 weeks ago was hearing that my neighbor who owns a scaffolding company was contracted by the city to deal with dead bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 So being immune deficient and have an endocrine disease The virus scaress me... I get this virus im in big trouble. But im also a realist tht believes in fact cheking.. Right now you can go to places in Wetern NY without a DR. Script with out anything and receive result the net day. In many other states they have been doing this for 2+ weeks. What makes you think they didnt get tested, what makes you think they didnt already have it and are over it? If im being drafted? Im asking my best friend and maybe family member visiting to be tested couple days ahead of time then stay the heck home then join me. And im IMMUNE DEFECIENT... We not in there lives where they live and we have no clue there situations or what precautions they took to be at a very special moment today..Most deaths from this virus are the elderly and underline illnesses.. Many people got this virus and didnt even know they had it.. Get a grip people.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Yeah, they need to throw grandma and cousin Lizzy out on the sidewalk. Let them look through the picture window. Geesh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: You can read the millions of articles about it all over the internet. Yeah, but based on the nature of their posts, I am going to guess that if it is not from CNN or snopes, they probably wont accept it as valid. Edited April 25, 2020 by dgrochester55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: On this last point I agree 100%. My sense is that it would have been far far worse if we just let it run it's course. I can tell you second hand that the hospitals in my area were overrun, not sure how it's played out all over the country. Chilling thing for me 3 weeks ago was hearing that my neighbor who owns a scaffolding company was contracted by the city to deal with dead bodies. Dead bodies that have probably died from a number of different things. I'm sure there are hospitals that might be overrun. But there's articles all over the place about hospitals laying off everywhere. 4 minutes ago, dgrochester55 said: Yeah, but based on the nature of their posts, I am going to guess that if it is not from CNN or snopes, they probably wont accept it as valid. One article, I would agree. The 20 different articles I've read online? I'd say that's valid. Plus CNN, Fox News and all them media stations aren't always honest anyway. So, they shouldn't always go by that either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, dgrochester55 said: Yeah, but based on the nature of their posts, I am going to guess that if it is not from CNN or snopes, they probably wont accept it as valid. Edited? Really? This was your second draft? Don’t have cable, don’t read snopes. I work directly with experts on this topic and have immediate family on the front line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: One article, I would agree. The 20 different articles I've read online? I'd say that's valid. Plus CNN, Fox News and all them media stations aren't always honest anyway. So, they shouldn't always go by that either I completely agree, and know of a couple people in the healthcare industry that told me their hospitals are often at a fraction of capacity. I was referring to the person with the "citation needed" comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, dgrochester55 said: Boy you sure showed him! How about trying a civil conversation? Edit-I am not minimizing the concern of this, nor pushing for something silly like injecting bleach. Just pointing out that there are many different stories out there and many different opinions that are valid on how to best get things back to normal over the next few months Many different opinions....? Simple. Take precautions like wear a mask and social distancing, or play Russian Roulette with your life. That's just fact. You don't know WHO had this virus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, dgrochester55 said: I completely agree, and know of a couple people in the healthcare industry that told me their hospitals are often at a fraction of capacity. I was referring to the person with the "citation needed" comment Curious: Which hospitals are at a “fraction of capacity”? And why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: Dead bodies that have probably died from a number of different things. I'm sure there are hospitals that might be overrun. But there's articles all over the place about hospitals laying off everywhere. Scaffolding companies being called because morgues can't handle the capacity and "Dead bodies that have probably died from a number of different things" doesn't make much sense to me. Reminds me of the Spinal Tap quote: Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Many different opinions....? Simple. Take precautions like wear a mask and social distancing, or play Russian Roulette with your life. That's just fact. You don't know WHO had this virus. I have followed the guidelines in my area since early March so I am not disregarding common sense. I am talking long term. Plain and simple, this lockdown is not economically or socially sustainable over a course of months or years and all the fear mongering in the world is not going to change that. You can choose to live in fear if you would like. Have a great night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: Curious: Which hospitals are at a “fraction of capacity”? And why? dude, just read the millions of articles about it online. Just because it's not on CNN doesn't mean it's not true. And yes, go read the comments on the youtube video of hospital staffs dancing in the hospital hallways during this pandemic. There's a ton of people's comments that work at hospitals about how their bored and on their phones the entire time because they have nothing to do. I would think the hospital staffs dancing would be enough to show that they have nothing better to do Edited April 25, 2020 by Buffalo03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Ugh, just please don't be like those dorks that videotape hospitals. Leave those people alone. If hospital beds ever run out in Sheboygan, it's not going to be at the same time as NYC. This is obvious stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, LittleSammy said: You are either Gov. Cuomo or my Mom posting in disguise. Momma should have used belt more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsMafi$ said: Who’s gives a crap. People who come into a thread like this and comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: There's no way that all those people at those homes all live there. Social distancing does not exist for NFL rookies. didn’t you see the UV lights up their asses and they announced they all took their Lysol Shots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Nelius said: I'm actually very pro-social distancing during a pandemic but it's certainly far from an exact science. Defining "family" for instance is impossible, but whether your family consists of 2 or 28 people, it seems this thing is infectious enough where if one gets it, everybody gets it. Somebody could have potentially shared some covid at those draft parties tonight, but how are you going to ignore your brother or best friend getting drafted into the NFL? We're not really built for extreme isolation yet, I just hope a 2nd wave doesn't screw us and that we luck out a bit with warmer weather. There are ways to decrease risk - wearing gloves and masks as an example - and still meet with friends. Masks are sometimes hard to find but if you pay enough you can get and a 1st-3rd pick will have money incoming and I am sure agent/agency has contacts. For my family my wife has been making masks and sending to them who cannot find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: dude, just read the millions of articles about it online. Just because it's not on CNN doesn't mean it's not true. And yes, go read the comments on the youtube video of hospital staffs dancing in the hospital hallways during this pandemic. There's a ton of people's comments that work at hospitals about how their bored and on their phones the entire time because they have nothing to do. I would think the hospital staffs dancing would be enough to show that they have nothing better to do Again, I don’t have cable. No clue what CNN or any other channel is saying. I’m trying to understand where you, and others, are getting their information about what things currently look like in hospitals. So far I’ve heard nothing except “not CNN,” “millions of articles” and “YouTube videos.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, buffalover4life said: I understand the risk.. I wash my hands every time i enter and leave my home. Im conscious of my hand movements towards my face. I am careful when i see my family. we are going to be in this position for years possibly.. I can't waste that time with my family Same...I’ve decided to cookout with my parents this weekend...it’s time...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: You can read the millions of articles about it all over the internet. Really? You read millions? A one per second how long is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Really? You read millions? A one per second how long is that? I've read at least 9 or 10 of them. There's a ton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said: The whole concept is stupid. Socially distance yourself from everyone but the people you live with. It makes no sense It’s so they can traces infection clusters and disease vectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I've read at least 9 or 10 of them. There's a ton Oh you printed them out? Only thing which weighs a ton is your BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: Oh you printed them out? Only thing which weighs a ton is your BS. Do a freaking google search and read the articles yourself. Yeah, I'm saying nothing but a bunch of BS but all your proof is in one google search in tons of articles but I see you're too scared to do that because deep down you know I'm right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, dgrochester55 said: Boy you sure showed him! How about trying a civil conversation? I do not mind following the guidelines so much as I mind the sudden deluge of self appointed Barney Fifes that feel like it is their duty to jump all over and personally attack any thought that goes against staying home for months indefinitely without question. Many people are not doing well as a result of staying at home for weeks and there is going to be a point where keeping this up results in more people dying from suicide, overdoses and putting off vital medical procedures than what would have been from covid 19. Edit-I am not minimizing the concern of this, nor pushing for something silly like injecting bleach. Just pointing out that there are many different stories out there and many different opinions that are valid on how to best get things back to normal over the next few months That's a great post. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Do a freaking google search and read the articles yourself. Yeah, I'm saying nothing but a bunch of BS but all your proof is in one google search in tons of articles but I see you're too scared to do that because deep down you know I'm right Well, thank goodness for google searches and your fee-fees. Now I’m certain it’s all a hoax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, jimmy10 said: Well, thank goodness for google searches and your fee-fees. Now I’m certain it’s all a hoax. ?? Have a good night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Healthcare layoffs are because elective surgeries and non emergency treatments/procedures are on hold. I treat necessary patients, we haven’t stopped. The next suite over is almost all non emergency & elective procedures/appointments. Their staff is minimal and the rest are furloughed. You can’t just say “but teh hopspitals are empty!!1!” without context. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: Social distancing is a joke anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, jimmy10 said: Well, thank goodness for google searches and your fee-fees. Now I’m certain it’s all a hoax. My biggest problem with this is the extremely condescending and hostile reaction to any one who dares to question staying inside indefinitely on any level. Take a look at all of the posts on this thread and you will see that nearly all of the ones that are rude or sarcastic and coming from that side of the argument. They assume that anyone who questions some of the restrictions is thinking that it is a hoax or not following guidelines and that is not the case most of the time. That would be like me assuming that everyone on the other side just wants a two year paid vacation on the government's dime(which would also be wrong.). The reality is that this is a scary unprecedented in our time situation and that every has had major changes in their life over the last six weeks. No one know for sure what will happen and there is no answer that is not going to result in many lives being negatively impacted or ended. I have social distanced since march 12th, I wear masks when I go out, there are a lot of people that i care about that I have not seen in weeks. When I make my statements, I am not disregarding that danger of COVID 19 or saying that everyone should be out tomorrow. Even in the best case scenario it will take weeks to get things up and running. Keep in mind though that every day that people are inside, that is resulting in suicides, overdoses and people having serious health issues from procedures that were put off. Adding to that, months or years of this would turn the economy upside down, put us in danger of food shortages and eventually get people in a situation where they are losing their homes. There is going to be a point down the road where we have to look and ask if more people are being hurt by other factors staying inside that what would have happened if we had opened things up. It is not an easy choice, and it is not as black and white as some people seem to think. There are many legitimate scientists and doctors out there who do not agree with the lock down going as long as it has. The original cause of this thread was regarding the drafted players having family and friends over. I agree that it would be foolish to throw a huge party in a house, but I had also pointed out that we do not know what happened behind the scenes. Some states have looser guidelines and 8 or 9 people in a house may not violate that. It is also very possible that these people planned ahead or tested before. Unfortunately, too many either were judgemental ("what kind of flowers to you want for your loved ones funeral?") or took the other extreme and acted like it wasn't a factor at all. The bright side for both of us is that there was the draft over the last two days and that there is more draft today. I am sure that all of us who posted here who are Bills fans and football fans were able to enjoying watching some sport related again. I hope that things are back to the point where they can do the games this year and that we are all able to enjoy a Bills super bowl run. Edited April 25, 2020 by dgrochester55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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