Tyrod Taylor tells the media that the chargers will turn heads if He’s the one calling the shots

[MrEpsYtown]

I think they get Tua somehow. 
 

They do have a pretty good defense, but the issue for their offense is that they don’t have any deep speed to capitalize on Tyrod’s deep ball prowess. Keenan Allen excels in working the intermediate areas of the field, that 10-25 range. The Chargers badly need deep speed in their recieving corps. In a contract year, his stats may dwindle. So I throw this out there for fun, John Brown for Keenan Allen...who says no? Stats are pretty comparable. Salaries mostly wash out, but Allen is in the final year of his contract whereas Brown has two more years, including this one. Josh’s arm strength really comes into play in that 15 to 25 yard area of the field where Keenan really excels. So who says no? 

[Mark80]

8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This is just a terrible analysis; sorry. The Bills had their highest ranked scoring teams in 2015 and 2016 this century and two of their very worst defenses as measured by DVOA.

 

Cool, but do you actually watch football?  Or do you just pick and choose the most convenient stats to prove a terrible point?  The guy lasted what, 3 weeks as a starter in Cleveland?  3 Weeks.  In CLEVELAND!

Edited March 30, 2020 by Mark80

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Don’t get me wrong, Tyrod’s a nice guy and I appreciate all his efforts he gave while playing here but he’s gotta be a little realistic lol. Kennan Allen’s gonna be pissed when his numbers drop cause their gonna be a power run first team. 

 

QBs should have confidence.. even if they aren't really like chosen as "the guy".  

 

In any case - going to be tough sledding for the chargers, they really don't have any fans in LA.  Their defense is pretty solid, and they have playmakers... but the offensive line will remain an issue.  They also have one of the best timing route over the middle WRs in the NFL, and a QB who stinks at that.  

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

I think they get Tua somehow. 
 

They do have a pretty good defense, but the issue for their offense is that they don’t have any deep speed to capitalize on Tyrod’s deep ball prowess. Keenan Allen excels in working the intermediate areas of the field, that 10-25 range. The Chargers badly need deep speed in their recieving corps. In a contract year, his stats may dwindle. So I throw this out there for fun, John Brown for Keenan Allen...who says no? Stats are pretty comparable. Salaries mostly wash out, but Allen is in the final year of his contract whereas Brown has two more years, including this one. Josh’s arm strength really comes into play in that 15 to 25 yard area of the field where Keenan really excels. So who says no? 

 

Same - overpay on the trade and worry about it later.  Need something to advertise to the potential fans.  

[BuffaloBills1998]

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This is just a terrible analysis; sorry. The Bills had their highest ranked scoring teams in 2015 and 2016 this century and two of their very worst defenses as measured by DVOA.

We were only high ranked because of our running game we were ranked 1# in rushing and like 24-27 in passing. We were a high rank scoring offense in spite of Taylor as a QB

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 minutes ago, H2o said:

First off, I have no ill will towards Tyrod. He was a good guy, a great teammate by all accounts, and a class act while he was here in Buffalo. Despite his flaws as a QB, he was the QB that led the team to their first playoff berth in 17 years. We all know what those flaws were, but there is no sense in bashing him for them now. He served this team fairly well in his time here, we got a GREAT return for him, and now he's with Anthony Lynn in LA. Best wishes to Tyrod who has done well for himself and his family in the NFL.

 

If Tyrod does end up being the starter for the Chargers this year they have a team where he could be semi-successful. They already have a more than solid defense in place and they have some quality weapons on offense. The offensive line still needs some work, but Tyrod is an extremely mobile QB. He's not going to all of a sudden turn into a superstar, but he can be effective. If they remain relatively healthy then they could be competing for a WC spot in the AFC. 

 

The biggest problem everyone had with him was leaving plays on the field because of indecision.  His atheticism bailed him out a lot, and he limits turnovers, but it also resulted in a lot of sacks.  I think Lynn is smart - and will incorporate TT into the run game with Jackson and Ekeler.  The only issue is how they utilize Allen and Henry with a QB who is reluctant to throw contested passes, or over the middle in general.  

 

The improvements to the oline have been good - turner and bulaga will be helpful assuming bulaga can stay healthy.  

 

I think they're somewhere between 8-8 (8-9?) and 10-6 with Tyrod.  Bosa, Ingram, Harris, James, joseph - its a pretty solid group on defense when healthy.  

 

I'm not sure why Cam isn't an option there.. Winston would be a hard sell, but i think he might be a better fit for the offensive group.  Or go all in on a Tua.  Can probably wait til post draft to evaluate, but there's no way i go into the season with TT as my only option.  Not after he flamed out so badly in Cleveland.  

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

And the LA Chargers select Justin Herbert, Quarterback, Oregon.

Idk if its me or I see a strong comparison between him and Tannehill

[Clyde Smith]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

This will be His third stint, his second was Cleveland

Actually his second stint was with Buffalo, then Cleveland.

[BuffaloBills1998]

28 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think they get Tua somehow. 
 

They do have a pretty good defense, but the issue for their offense is that they don’t have any deep speed to capitalize on Tyrod’s deep ball prowess. Keenan Allen excels in working the intermediate areas of the field, that 10-25 range. The Chargers badly need deep speed in their recieving corps. In a contract year, his stats may dwindle. So I throw this out there for fun, John Brown for Keenan Allen...who says no? Stats are pretty comparable. Salaries mostly wash out, but Allen is in the final year of his contract whereas Brown has two more years, including this one. Josh’s arm strength really comes into play in that 15 to 25 yard area of the field where Keenan really excels. So who says no? 

Honestly I think if Miami can’t get their hands on Burrow I think they go all in in Tua. They have the picks to back themselves up with to get him. Question is does Detroit allow Miami to move up or does Detroit take him? Chargers are probably gonna end up with either Herbert or Love

Edited March 30, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Honestly I think of Miami can’t get their hand on Burrow I think they go all in in Tua. They have the picks to back themselves up with to get him. Question is does Detroit allow Miami to move up or does Detroit take him? Chargers are probably gonna end up with either Herbert or Love

 

There's always the chance that Washington takes Tua and deals haskins on draft day too...  He didn't have a great year 1 (rookies rarely do) - but a 2nd year QB on a 3 year 5 mil (Total) contract with an option for another say... 25 - is a pretty affordable contract for a team.  He'd still get you some solid compensation.  

 

And i totally believe they should do that if you think Tua is a better prospect than Haskins.

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

There's always the chance that Washington takes Tua and deals haskins on draft day too...  He didn't have a great year 1 (rookies rarely do) - but a 2nd year QB on a 3 year 5 mil (Total) contract with an option for another say... 25 - is a pretty affordable contract for a team.  He'd still get you some solid compensation.  

 

And i totally believe they should do that if you think Tua is a better prospect than Haskins.

This is true, we saw Arizona do it to Rosen. I didn’t really think Haskins was gonna do much in the NFL anyways. I wonder though if he played bad somewhat purposefully. I know he was pissed off when the redskins drafted him cause I think he wanted to be drafted by the giants

Edited March 30, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

This is true, we saw Arizona do it to Rosen. I didn’t really think Haskins was gonna do much in the NFL anyways. I wonder though if he played bad somewhat purposefully. I know he was pissed off when the redskins drafted him cause I think he wanted to be drafted by the giants

 

I mean at the end of the day - 3 1sts is great and all, but if you have a chance to fix QB you should probably do it.  If you have Tua as a prospect in the vein of a can't miss starter with all-pro upside... you should draft him.  

[BuffaloBills1998]

29 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think they get Tua somehow. 
 

They do have a pretty good defense, but the issue for their offense is that they don’t have any deep speed to capitalize on Tyrod’s deep ball prowess. Keenan Allen excels in working the intermediate areas of the field, that 10-25 range. The Chargers badly need deep speed in their recieving corps. In a contract year, his stats may dwindle. So I throw this out there for fun, John Brown for Keenan Allen...who says no? Stats are pretty comparable. Salaries mostly wash out, but Allen is in the final year of his contract whereas Brown has two more years, including this one. Josh’s arm strength really comes into play in that 15 to 25 yard area of the field where Keenan really excels. So who says no? 

I wouldn’t trade Brown for Allen, Brown and Beasley were a big part of Buffalo’s success offensively. No way do they give up on brown or Beasley. Plus isn’t Allen’s contract expiring soon?

[MrEpsYtown]

I said it yesterday and I know its very tonfoil hat-ish. But I think the NFL makes sure Tua winds up in LA. 
 

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I wouldn’t trade Brown for Allen, Brown and Beasley were a big part of Buffalo’s success offensively. No way do they give up on brown or Beasley. Plus isn’t Allen’s contract expiring soon?

1 year on Allen’s deal. 2 on Brown’s. I don’t think it would be giving up on Brown it would just be trading for a guy who really excels at what your quarterback does well. I love Brown, but I wanted to get some opinions. 

Edited March 30, 2020 by MrEpsYtown

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I said it yesterday and I know its very tonfoil hat-ish. But I think the NFL makes sure Tua winds up in LA. 
 

1 year on Allen’s deal. 2 on Brown’s. 

I’d only bring in Allen if we were able to give him a long term extension. I wouldn’t wanna trade for a 1 year rental who has no intention of signing long term

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I said it yesterday and I know its very tonfoil hat-ish. But I think the NFL makes sure Tua winds up in LA. 

 

Some back alley deal to do the trade with detroit... i could see it.  

[Kirby Jackson]

I mean I’m I know that I’m a Tyrod defender but what do you expect him to say? “We are going to be a really bad team with me as the QB.” Of course he says that. He’s 24-21-1 as a starter. I’d expect roughly the same win percentage if he played the whole year with the Chargers. They’ll be about 8-8. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I mean I’m I know that I’m a Tyrod defender but what do you expect him to say? “We are going to be a really bad team with me as the QB.” Of course he says that. He’s 24-21-1 as a starter. I’d expect roughly the same win percentage if he played the whole year with the Chargers. They’ll be about 8-8. 

Could be Lynn’s last year in LA. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I wouldn’t trade Brown for Allen, Brown and Beasley were a big part of Buffalo’s success offensively. No way do they give up on brown or Beasley. Plus isn’t Allen’s contract expiring soon?

 

I would - Allen is better than Brown.  He's a big dude, makes his money in the middle of the field and gets open a ton.  He has a higher catch rate.  He's 2 years younger.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

56 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

How did Sammy, Woods, and Goodwin look after they left?

Well, Sammy still hasn't surpassed his 2015 numbers yet with Goff or Mahomes, and he missed 3.5 games that year. Goodwin had 1 good year in an expanded role after finally focusing on football instead of long jump. Woods has been quite solid in his return to LA.

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I would - Allen is better than Brown.  He's a big dude, makes his money in the middle of the field and gets open a ton.  He has a higher catch rate.  He's 2 years younger.  

Yeah but we don’t have a first rounder to give. And I highly suspect the chargers are gonna want top picks for Allen.

[Irv]

Tyrod doesn't turn the ball over enough.  It's his biggest weakness.

 

Sincerely,

Jameis

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Well, Sammy still hasn't surpassed his 2015 numbers yet with Goff or Mahomes, and he missed 3.5 games that year. Goodwin had 1 good year in an expanded role after finally focusing on football instead of long jump. Woods has been quite solid in his return to LA.

 

Watkins played well in the playoffs for the Chiefs last year... but his regular season numbers are pretty rough for a guy drafted where he was, and getting paid like he is on contract 2.  Woods has back to back 1000 yard seasons and has basically made brandin cooks expendable (goff might have made cooks expendable).  Goodwins going to be 30 and has had 1 good season... i think it was more likely that was a fluke, than that buffalo underutilized him.  

[CarpetCrawler]

I hope he's right, good guy.

[Dr. K]

26 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:

Actually his second stint was with Buffalo, then Cleveland.

He never was the starter in Baltimore. His first stint as a starter was Buffalo, then Cleveland.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Irv said:

Tyrod doesn't turn the ball over enough.  It's his biggest weakness.

 

Sincerely,

Jameis

 

But he sure does love getting sacked ?

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Could be Lynn’s last year in LA. 

Yeah, it might be. I would think that he’s on the hot seat. That’s a weird organization though. Because they have no fans I wonder if they have any pressure? It’s just strange.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Not trashing him but saying he’s better than Manuel doesn’t say much

 

EJ and Tyrod had same issue - they took some chances, coach told them to clamp down on chances and they became timid.

 

I had same issue with previous dog - my wife told her to not go after squirrels while walking him and then even in yard he would not chase squirrels. 

Hard to unlearn.

[sovietsnyper]

turning heads as they wonder why no passes go further than 3 yards?

[babulator]

IDK Tyrod has his limitations but he's a class act,  and an elite athlete.

While I found him frustrating at times, I also found him easy to root for and I have no issues sporting my Taylor jersey  .

I also think he'll be an improvement over the Phillips of last year just with his ball security alone.

Given the right team (Ravens, Cards come to mind) and/or proper support (OC and HC) I don't see any reason why he cant be a playoff caliber QB.

He'll always hold a place in my Bills fandom. Breaking The Drought was no easy task, ask all those that failed before him.

 I'll be watching for him when I can. Go Bills!

Edited March 30, 2020 by babulator

[thebandit27]

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, it might be. I would think that he’s on the hot seat. That’s a weird organization though. Because they have no fans I winder if they have any pressure? It’s just strange.

It would only make sense for them to give Lynn a contract extension and then can him the following offseason ?

 

6 minutes ago, sovietsnyper said:

turning heads as they wonder why no passes go further than 3 yards?

Huh? He hit a bunch of deep throws here

[DCOrange]

6 minutes ago, sovietsnyper said:

turning heads as they wonder why no passes go further than 3 yards?

 

I get why people didn't like Tyrod as a QB while he was here. He obviously had a pretty low ceiling as a passer. But comments like this always crack me up. Tyrod ranked among the highest in the league each year in terms of how often he pushed the ball down the field. Allen has been worse in that regard (not to mention just far worse in terms of actual success throwing down the field).

 

The idea that Tyrod only checked it down was a myth. He had plenty of issues as a passer but that wasn't one of them.

[mikemac2001]

Tyrod wouldnt make the basic throws 

Tyrod had a great deep ball

Tyrod opened up the running game in many ways 
 

overall he was entertaining at times but frustrating he wouldn’t throw the Easy out or slant and just held on to the ball until the play broke down I rooted for him but that saints game was where I was done with him as our QB 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

Tyrod wouldnt make the basic throws 

Tyrod had a great deep ball

Tyrod opened up the running game in many ways 
 

overall he was entertaining at times but frustrating he wouldn’t throw the Easy out or slant and just held on to the ball until the play broke down I rooted for him but that saints game was where I was done with him as our QB 

 

He's limited for sure - I'm not sure how you build an offense around him.  Its basically a lamar jackson style offense, with a less dynamic runner and a less confident passer.  He probably has a better arm than LJ but he's unwilling to unload the RPOs so that part of the game isn't going to be as effective.  

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

9 hours ago, MJS said:

He probably will turn some heads and everyone will talk about how great he is at not turning the ball over, but at the end of the day he doesn't have the upside necessary to do anything of note in the NFL.

 

Still, when you think about it, Tyrod is one of the better QB's in Bills history.

Lamar lite.  That's what they will be. It's probably the reason they let Gordon walk, will feature Ekeler and run an offense similar to the Ravens. Tyrod can hit those easy throws to the TE and find the open receiver most of the time. Where he suffered was in the pocket and he's got a coach that knows his strengths and saw how defenses couldn't defend Baltimore. Until defenses catch up, this is a copycat league.

[MJS]

Just now, BillsRdue said:

Lamar lite.  That's what they will be. It's probably the reason they let Gordon walk, will feature Ekeler and run an offense similar to the Ravens. Tyrod can hit those easy throws to the TE and find the open receiver most of the time. Where he suffered was in the pocket and he's got a coach that knows his strengths and saw how defenses couldn't defend Baltimore. Until defenses catch up, this is a copycat league.

Tyrod will get killed. He is not shifty enough to avoid the hard hits like Jackson does, nor do I think he would be as durable.

 

There's not another QB in the league that can run an offense like Baltimore's, but that's just my opinion, I suppose.

[BuffaloMatt]

Scored three points versus the Jags. SMH. 

[Nester]

Wish him the best but don’t have high hopes for him as starter.

[Cal]

Tyrod is a back up at best. The Chargers are going to suck

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

SuuuuuuuuperrrrrrrBowwwwwwl!!!!

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Homey D. Clown]

10 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Don’t get me wrong, Tyrod’s a nice guy and I appreciate all his efforts he gave while playing here but he’s gotta be a little realistic lol. Kennan Allen’s gonna be pissed when his numbers drop cause their gonna be a power run first team. 

 

how much farther away from the field can they turn them(their heads)???!!

Edited March 30, 2020 by Homey D. Clown