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Pegulas taking heat for treatment of PSE employees during quarantine; donate 1.2 mill to WNY pandemic relief

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It’s time for the federal government to pony up. Just like the company I work for can’t pay everyone, PSE can’t either (when no revenue is coming in). Reality is a b sometimes. After defending our country, this Is next in line for the  US government...and they better hurry up or schitt is going to get hairy for many (47% of the workforce works for small businesses). 
 

Bailing out the big boys provides a news cycle splash but doesn’t help the many. 

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40 minutes ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said:

I mean, to be fair I don’t think there’s a lot of employers out there that are going to pay their employees for work not performed (mine included). Reeks of typical buffalo media muckraking.

I'm not sure about that.  I mean he paid Percy Harvin nearly seven million for work not performed.

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Are people able to collect unemployment if they have been essentially furloughed with job security guaranteed when the business re-opens?

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If they didn’t know how to make tough business decisions they wouldn’t have become Billionaires, wouldn’t have bought the team, and the team would be in Toronto right now.  No problem whatsoever with the actions taken here. 

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15 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

1) Good thing you dont judge. You do realize running a business is not a charity.

2) You know for a fact he will rebound from this do you?  Do you have any idea how much debt he has?  The cash burn he has?

 

Something tells me your business acumen is derived mostly from emotion and  chatrooms. 

Hilarious. I have been running a number of successful businesses as well as consult. Been doing this for 20 years in the silicon valley. I am spending hours each day on conference calls discussing these topics with other business owners and executives. Some businesses can succeed and place little value you on employees, but the majority succeed by having loyal and dedicated workers. That starts from the top and is modeled by how owners and key executives treat people. I could tell you countless stories of failed businesses due to bad culture that comes from the top. 

 

And obviously I dont have all the details. But I do know unless he is on the verge of bankruptcy there are many tools out there to help avoid immediate layoffs at the current time. 

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51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It could be. I noticed several bills reporters retweeting and saying Essentially that it was terrible form from them which surprised me (Parrino, Trapasso)

 

That could hurt them down the road. It seems they don’t know enough to be taking a stand. This sucks for EVERYONE and PSE isn’t doing anything not happening EVERYWHERE. They should be held to no higher standard than the rest of the industry.

 

Our future daughter-in-law works for a huge hotel. They met this week and she was one of 40 out of 600 to still have a job. Still, she expects to be gone in the next wave. Life comes first, but the economic impact of this will be enormous. 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Are people able to collect unemployment if they have been essentially furloughed with job security guaranteed when the business re-opens?

Someone told me earlier today that the reason the Pegulas did it that way was because the employees could now collect unemployment. I haven't had time to find out if this is true or not, but it seems like it would make a big difference. I have no idea if the Pegulas are being selfish, cold, unsympathetic or not. But that seems logical.

 

Anyone know for sure? About this specific incident? Anyone? Bueller?

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17 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Are people able to collect unemployment if they have been essentially furloughed with job security guaranteed when the business re-opens?

 

Yes, happens all the time when workers know they are being recalled. I don't even think they are required to have to look for work either.

 

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Someone told me earlier today that the reason the Pegulas did it that way was because the employees could now collect unemployment. I haven't had time to find out if this is true or not, but it seems like it would make a big difference. I have no idea if the Pegulas are being selfish, cold, unsympathetic or not. But that seems logical.

 

Anyone know for sure? About this specific incident? Anyone? Bueller?

 

They can collect  unemployment either way.

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1 hour ago, DJB said:

Ralph  is cheap ! !!!!


Is there a rule for the Pegula’s that they should give their money away?

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Also, my wife owns a small business. The law that was just passed says she needs to pay up to 2 weeks of sick pay for every employee. Personally I think that having sick time for people is good, would make wages go down slightly, but you won't lose your job if your kid gets sick (sort of loke insurance).

 

That said...a totally unplanned huge expense like that, where the government is saying don't worry, we got you covered, you can take out a 0 interest loan (that converts to 12% interest on any unpaid balance after the first year).

 

This isn't going to just put her out of business (honestly I think it would anyway, and she is potentially going to pivot to something else), but this is going to take all the profit she was able to make over 3 years and put us into debt. 

 

Don't worry, they are going to help with social security payrol tax credits...will help all those companies that go out of business or need cash right when they start up again...

 

Anyway, the pegulas might be trying to help people with the timing, but also heard if you did layoffs before the bill was signed you wouldn't have to pay...of course hopefully I'm wrong on above, I just know what is swirling around in the business groups she's in...she built it up to 25 employees with no start up money.

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4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Someone told me earlier today that the reason the Pegulas did it that way was because the employees could now collect unemployment. I haven't had time to find out if this is true or not, but it seems like it would make a big difference. I have no idea if the Pegulas are being selfish, cold, unsympathetic or not. But that seems logical.

 

Anyone know for sure? About this specific incident? Anyone? Bueller?

 

https://www.thestreet.com/politics/what-is-a-furlough-14832476

 

"A furloughed employee may also take unemployment benefits for their time without pay. Since unemployment is paid by states, not the federal government, it will not suffer a budgetary lapse in the case of a federal government shutdown."

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33 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

So Terry and Kim were waiting for a pandemic so they can trim payroll?

 

Sneaky ain't they.

 

Seriously, lot's of people will be negatively affected in the coming months.

 

Hopefully Terry didn't pull a Judge Smales.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Hilarious. I have been running a number of successful businesses as well as consult. Been doing this for 20 years in the silicon valley. I am spending hours each day on conference calls discussing these topics with other business owners and executives. Some businesses can succeed and place little value you on employees, but the majority succeed by having loyal and dedicated workers. That starts from the top and is modeled by how owners and key executives treat people. I could tell you countless stories of failed businesses due to bad culture that comes from the top. 

 

And obviously I dont have all the details. But I do know unless he is on the verge of bankruptcy there are many tools out there to help avoid immediate layoffs at the current time. 

 

Congrats on running a successful business, then my smart ass comment as about your business acumen were unwarranted, maybe.

 

You do realize the labor in the fast food/service industry in WNY (mostly)  is radically different from what,  i assume , the type of business you run in Silicon Valley.  Totally different dynamic.

 

And you dont wait to make tough financial decisions until you are on the verge of bankruptcy, when that happens you are too late 99% of the time. Then NO  One gets rehired.  with al due respect that type of comment screams to me that you are not being intellectually honest here.

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38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think that any hospitality employer is guaranteeing or saving jobs.  They really don't know the timeline or how things will look as we ramp back to normal.

Are the workers guaranteeing or saving themselves for those jobs?  Works both ways.

I agree, I think it’s normal to have people re-apply if they’ve been termed or displaced. At least that’s how we do it. 

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14 minutes ago, The Fiend said:

 

https://www.thestreet.com/politics/what-is-a-furlough-14832476

 

"A furloughed employee may also take unemployment benefits for their time without pay. Since unemployment is paid by states, not the federal government, it will not suffer a budgetary lapse in the case of a federal government shutdown."

Thanks for that. Clears it up a lot. Although that link also says... “Not every employee can pursue this option however. Each state has individual rules for collecting unemployment, including (potentially) waiting periods to collect benefits and a requirement that the applicant show an active job search. Either or both of these may disqualify a furloughed worker. Further, furloughed workers who receive back pay for their time away from work will typically have to pay back any unemployment benefits they collected.”

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41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think that any hospitality employer is guaranteeing or saving jobs.  They really don't know the timeline or how things will look as we ramp back to normal.

Are the workers guaranteeing or saving themselves for those jobs?  Works both ways.


Ive actually read some pushback to Graham’s article.  Have not read it but looking forward to it.  


One thing is for sure - Tim Graham does not give a F@@@.  He’s not scared to write what he believes even it mean negative consequences 

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What are you going to do? This can go on for a year. This coronavirus is some really serious business, this is a legit pandemic. Every time I wake up 2,000 more have died. Cuomo put us all under house arrest essentially.

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Is the Bills management (Beane, McDermott, etc.) working at home? Are they considered an essential business? I know here in the San Francisco Bay Area, they would be prohibited from going to work at the stadium as they would be considered a non-essential business. We are all under home lockdown here until at least April 7, by order of the governor. Not sure if NY has the same rule.

 

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-updates-Bay-Area-Contra-Costa-death-15145370.php

 

"March 20, 10:47 a.m.: San Jose Police Chief Eddie Garcia told reporters Friday that 56 warnings were issued to businesses in the city for remaining open despite not being classified as essential during the shelter-in-place orders. Garcia said all 56 businesses, including gyms, barbershops and a smoke shop, complied with officers and shut down.

 

"Those of you that know me, know we aren't going to stay educational for long," Garcia said, suggesting that warnings will give way to more official actions. The chief said "criminal citations, business license sanctions and health code violations" would be used against businesses who had previously been issued warnings should they re-open."

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"As a valuable asset to our hospitality family, when business returns to normalcy, we encourage you to come back and apply for an open position."

Apparently, these guys don't understand the definition of the word "family." That is some cold sh++.

 

Speaking for myself, I was working on a pilot for NBC/Universal, which represents about four weeks of work. We were two weeks into rigging, they shut down all of Universal Studios (as has every studio, and production in Los Angeles). They then decided to give everyone two weeks pay, while they figure out what happens next. The bottom line does not always have to take precedence over doing the right thing.

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1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Inevitable and so predictable someone was going to criticize them.

 

How about the drama, "But here’s the fine print: They’re not saving their jobs for them." Really?  Are they supposed to guarantee them jobs?

 

 

 

  No one should be surprised by this, millions of us are being fired all over the country, with no real way to know if they will be able to find another job for the foreseeable future.

 

Hard times are NOW, expect soup lines in the not so distant future. I mean look around the markets are down over 30% with no bottom in sight. Unemployment is imo going to hit 25% and higher. This will be like the Great Depression folks.

 

This is some scary sad stuff going on. We all need to be kind to each other and help each other out best we can. 
 

Prayers to you all, 🙏 

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4 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

What are you going to do? This can go on for a year. This coronavirus is some really serious business, this is a legit pandemic. Every time I wake up 2,000 more have died. Cuomo put us all under house arrest essentially.

Liquor stores remain open though - Deemed an “essential business” by NYS. 😄

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6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Liquor stores remain open though - Deemed an “essential business” by NYS. 😄

 

In NV and CA, pot dispensaries are open, as they were deemed essential by their states since patients need marijuana for medical reasons. Bars can remain open too, as long as they are attached to a restaurant or 50% or more of their business is food, but people are not allowed to dine in the bar or restaurant at all. Takeout or delivery only. I don't think food trucks are allowed to be open, but may are violating the rule.

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6 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

One thing is for sure - Tim Graham does not give a F@@@.  He’s not scared to write what he believes even it mean negative consequences 

 

It would be nice if he knew what he was talking about, however.     Like maybe consulting a labor lawyer or state labor department official as to the termination requirements for former employees so they can qualify for unemployment insurance in NYS.   

 

If it turns out that Pegs did things correctly so individuals can qualify for benefits, do you think we'll get a follow-up mea culpa from Tim?   

 

I'm not holding my breath...

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