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Pegulas taking heat for treatment of PSE employees during quarantine; donate 1.2 mill to WNY pandemic relief

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1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Wow, who would've thought...Billionaires all about the bottom line and don't give a single flying **** about us/employees/anybody but themselvesūüė≤

 

 

In that same generosity of spirit, I would like for you to run out and give a homeless person half of your house and all of your belongings for free.  You have way more than that homeless person does.  Apparently that homeless person is just as entitled to the fruits or your labor, skill, experience, effort, and time as you are...  

 

 

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It's a bummer that they can't guarantee their positions, but as someone pointed out, there's no guarantee from the employees that they'll all return. 

 

The one part in all this that really sucks (and hasn't been mentioned yet) is that PSE isn't allowing any laid off employees to use the PTO they've accrued. My company is allowing people to use what they want of their PTO before filing for unemployment. That's earned time off. Imagine being someone who works and works to save up a bunch of PTO for an occasion such as this only to be told, "Nope, can't use it." Lame. 

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From an HR perspective, it's all likely legal, but it's not how good employers deal with temporary layoffs like this.  Withholding PTO is really bad (and illegal in some states) - this is usually counted as a liability on the balance sheet which now magically has disappeared, meaning the Pegulas essentially got a refund on that expense.

 

They should just say, we're going to hire as many of our staff back at original pay as we can once this blows over, but we don't yet know how many people that will be.  That clearly states their intention without telling them to to re-apply and re-interview for their positions.

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Every single ownership group in the NHL aside from the Pegulas is paying employees NOW for games that are postponed. It is what good ownership looks like. Listen to Mark Cuban, for him it was a ‚Äúno-brainer‚ÄĚ to pay everyone associated with AA Arena and the Mavs.¬†Not paying out unused PTO is a joke. Amateur hour. Pegulas are worth $4.5B; they can pay these people.

 

Has nothing to do with Silicon Valley and how the dynamics there are so much different. They aren’t for a billionaire in terms of how a P&L works. This is bush league period. Saving the Bills has nothing to do with their actions in this crisis. These actions, quite frankly, are pathetic.

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1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Hilarious. I have been running a number of successful businesses as well as consult. Been doing this for 20 years in the silicon valley. I am spending hours each day on conference calls discussing these topics with other business owners and executives.

So you spend a lot of time in important meetings...

 

By chance, do you, perhaps, drive a BMW?

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2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

So you spend a lot of time in important meetings...

 

By chance, do you, perhaps, drive a BMW?

His point is he has a broader view and is not focused squarely on a billionaire couple in Buffalo and those who stick up for them because they ‚Äúsaved the Bills‚ÄĚ. He has a heck of a lot more context than others on this board as to what is happening now in board meetings and at senior-levels of ownership. Get over your insecurity.

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4 minutes ago, SeattleBills said:

His point is he has a broader view and is not focused squarely on a billionaire couple in Buffalo and those who stick up for them because they ‚Äúsaved the Bills‚ÄĚ. He has a heck of a lot more context than others on this board as to what is happening now in board meetings and at senior-levels of ownership. Get over your insecurity.

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Since you are new here, it's an inside joke for us older more long-term members.

 

Edit: Also, you would be surprised by the outstanding jobs that many on here have, Doctors, Dentists, Executives, Writers, male strippers like @Gugny, etc...

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4 minutes ago, SeattleBills said:

His point is he has a broader view and is not focused squarely on a billionaire couple in Buffalo and those who stick up for them because they ‚Äúsaved the Bills‚ÄĚ. He has a heck of a lot more context than others on this board as to what is happening now in board meetings and at senior-levels of ownership. Get over your insecurity.

 

THIS is your 6th post since joining in November 2019???   

 

Now I have to wonder what kind of doozies those other five were...

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34 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

It would be nice if he knew what he was talking about, however.     Like maybe consulting a labor lawyer or state labor department official as to the termination requirements for former employees so they can qualify for unemployment insurance in NYS.   

 

If it turns out that Pegs did things correctly so individuals can qualify for benefits, do you think we'll get a follow-up mea culpa from Tim?   

 

I'm not holding my breath...


Like I said, many were defending the Pegulas on Twitter

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All of this just speculation and we can never really know the true circumstances of what is happening with these specific people. What I do know is many people across the country are suffering, some are dying, and many will lose loved ones. When your state closes all businesses out of need, there is going to be people that suffer. All we can do is try and stay positive and help on another when possible. In reality, laying people off now opens up the possibility of fast track unemployment assistance. How can they guarantee jobs to return to? No one knows how long this will last or the final outcome. 

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Not sure I understand the anger towards not saving them their jobs. Its hospitality/service work employees move and work multiple places all the time. Seems very run of the mill. Now not paying the PTO out is a lame move, don't be cheap(comes with zero knowledge of there pto program)

 

But dear lord pay the arena workers, the amount it would cost them to do so is nothing comparatively is nothing and would make a huge difference in each staffs lives. 

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2 hours ago, mattynh said:

Businesses all over the country are laying people off.  It sucks for sure.  And there is no guarantee business ever gets back to how it was.  

Nope probably not as this is to kill the middle class and knockout most small to medium and a few big businesses. The NWO is rolling in faster than people could even imagine. This flu is not much different than last year and previous years. The flu virus one of many effects old and infants.  There rolling with this to steal are liberties and resources/freedom and just like 911 nothing more nothing less.  P.S. The Investigation for 911 did not start till after 300 plus days but yet we were bombing the middle East within 72 hours. That's how dumb down some are thinking terriost actually carried out that event. They shipped out the evidence  before the investigation started, clever no... evil yes.

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1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 

In that same generosity of spirit, I would like for you to run out and give a homeless person half of your house and all of your belongings for free.  You have way more than that homeless person does.  Apparently that homeless person is just as entitled to the fruits or your labor, skill, experience, effort, and time as you are...  

 

 

Oh please, it would not be half of the Pegula's wealth to make some good things happen for their employees...

 

As far as the homeless, any time somebody asks me for money or food, I give...I would give the shirt off my back or go hungry to feed somebody else if needed. If I become homeless then I could no longer make a difference in peoples lives but that's not where I was going with the Pegulas... To see generosity within somebodies means is wonderful and I am thankful to them but obviously everybody can do more, especially the extremely wealthy.

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2 hours ago, ngbills said:

Of course this is based off the reports and what employees have said, what the article says and the fact that termination letters and firings have taken place. Most in my industry have been doing what we can to keep and support employees best we can. Wont be forever, but we are not jumping straight to firing people. Sounds like they were waiting to do this and it gave them a great opportunity to do so. 

Sounds like a good excuse for you to find another team. I mean if I felt like some was selfish and heartless I would not support the product they owned. 

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44 minutes ago, NFLBighits said:

Nope probably not as this is to kill the middle class and knockout most small to medium and a few big businesses. The NWO is rolling in faster than people could even imagine. This flu is not much different than last year and previous years. The flu virus one of many effects old and infants.  There rolling with this to steal are liberties and resources/freedom and just like 911 nothing more nothing less.  P.S. The Investigation for 911 did not start till after 300 plus days but yet we were bombing the middle East within 72 hours. That's how dumb down some are thinking terriost actually carried out that event. They shipped out the evidence  before the investigation started, clever no... evil yes.

No shortage of tin foil hats

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1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Thanks for that. Clears it up a lot. Although that link also says... ‚ÄúNot every employee can pursue this option however. Each state has individual rules for collecting unemployment, including (potentially) waiting periods to collect benefits and a requirement that the applicant show an active job search. Either or both of these may disqualify a furloughed worker. Further, furloughed workers who receive back pay for their time away from work will typically have to pay back any unemployment benefits they collected.‚ÄĚ

 

Yes rules are different for different states.  My wife used to be a tailor and Virginia used to insist she pay unemployment tax even though she was not able to collect when she had no work since she was paid by item not per hour.  She proved to Virginia she did not need to pay it so they went after he major client and tried to pressure them to pay the unemployment tax.  It is ridiculous to pay this tax when person is not eligible for benefit.

 

My employer is government contractor.  When the government is shutdown we do not get paid if they are not paid.  We needed to find some way of doing work remotely or not get paid.  Our position uses shared machines and rules state employees using shared machines cannot rdp to that machine.  The government is making this call and is not paying if they make it impossible for us to work.  

 

I was let go for medical reasons from another contractor job (I was getting surgery) and it was illegal to lay me off so as soon as I told them about surgery they had government reclassify it as a different type of position and they laid me off for lack of work.  My company initiated change.

 

Companies will do what is best for company first.  If it is better for company including reputation / morale to pay them or keep jobs (assuming no labor union type contract mandates) they will do so.  if company is not doing well and may need to restructure after things turn around and may layoff anyways they will not guarantee jobs.

 

 

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I wonder what this thread would look like if it was about Bob Kraft.

 

and it’s a tough issue.  But it’s a tough look on the surface. 

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This is not just about, like, the bottom line at 716, though. In a few years, Terry and Kim are going to come looking to the taxpayers of Erie County and New York State for money to help them build their new stadium. It's a self-inflicted PR wound for them to stiff the working man here. This is in keeping with the seemingly never-ending PR messes on the Sabres side of things. It's a weird, dumb hill to die on, in my opinion.

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31 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Oh please, it would not be half of the Pegula's wealth to make some good things happen for their employees...

 

As far as the homeless, any time somebody asks me for money or food, I give...I would give the shirt off my back or go hungry to feed somebody else if needed. If I become homeless then I could no longer make a difference in peoples lives but that's not where I was going with the Pegulas... To see generosity within somebodies means is wonderful and I am thankful to them but obviously everybody can do more, especially the extremely wealthy.

 

Truce...

 

I regretted that post the minute I sent it.  The post is reflective of how I feel about these issues, but TBD is not the place to have that discussion and I apologize for giving into the temptation to climb up on my soapbox.  This message board is one of the few escapes from the toxic politics that permeate every facet of our lives now.  We need to work to keep it that way.

 

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58 minutes ago, mattynh said:

No shortage of tin foil hats

Ya where your facts ?  I have plenty.

32 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Truce...

 

I regretted that post the minute I sent it.  The post is reflective of how I feel about these issues, but TBD is not the place to have that discussion and I apologize for giving into the temptation to climb up on my soapbox.  This message board is one of the few escapes from the toxic politics that permeate every facet of our lives now.  We need to work to keep it that way.

 

It's all good! Unfortunately most things becomes political as it's a effect of ***** rolling down on us!¬† Piss on politics ūüėā¬†

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54 minutes ago, Don Dokken said:

This is not just about, like, the bottom line at 716, though. In a few years, Terry and Kim are going to come looking to the taxpayers of Erie County and New York State for money to help them build their new stadium. It's a self-inflicted PR wound for them to stiff the working man here. This is in keeping with the seemingly never-ending PR messes on the Sabres side of things. It's a weird, dumb hill to die on, in my opinion.

 

Unless....

 

The market turns against them so....

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55 minutes ago, Don Dokken said:

This is not just about, like, the bottom line at 716, though. In a few years, Terry and Kim are going to come looking to the taxpayers of Erie County and New York State for money to help them build their new stadium. It's a self-inflicted PR wound for them to stiff the working man here. This is in keeping with the seemingly never-ending PR messes on the Sabres side of things. It's a weird, dumb hill to die on, in my opinion.

this seems even more hilariously tone-deaf given current events

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Not allowing PTO is a big red flag here.

 

Yikes. 

 

Also, wasn't employee pay already in the budget for the season? Come on. Technically don't have to pay them, but it's the right thing to do.

 

Scroogin 

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In the end, I think (I hope) they do the right thing.

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4 hours ago, ngbills said:

Of course this is based off the reports and what employees have said, what the article says and the fact that termination letters and firings have taken place. Most in my industry have been doing what we can to keep and support employees best we can. Wont be forever, but we are not jumping straight to firing people. Sounds like they were waiting to do this and it gave them a great opportunity to do so. 

They aren't employees, they are former employees. Former employees are ALWAYS disgruntled and ALWAYS blame their former employer for everything.

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