The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

I blame Girardi.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

....This puts the US at a disadvantage as the virus continues to morph, doing its best to survive. With Delta around, we know vaccinated people are not as well protected as they once were. Now, we risk missing the signals of a more dangerous variant - something that our existing vaccines would barely combat...

 

Dean said, given the low level of testing and sequencing being done on fully vaccinated people right now, there's no way the US can keep tabs on the virus well enough. If we want to know how decent the vaccine protection of the country really is, Dean said, we need to know when vaccinated people are getting infected, what variant they have, and how severe their case is.

 

"It's very concerning to me that we're 20 months into the pandemic and we don't have that capability yet," she said. "The technology has to move faster than the pathogen."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/fully-vaccinated-people-not-immune-to-covid-milder-2021-7

 

 

Carry on.  

[ALF]

Delta is strong enough to infect vaccinated people with mild or no symptoms , but it hammers the unvaccinated and spreads easier.

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

Delta is strong enough to infect vaccinated people with mild or no symptoms , but it hammers the unvaccinated and spreads easier.

 

 

It does the same thing Covid 1.0 does.  Is it more contagious?  I guess if you believe them.  Whatever you choose.  

 

 

 

I'll refer to Chairman Cuomo:

 

 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

Delta is strong enough to infect vaccinated people with mild or no symptoms , but it hammers the unvaccinated and spreads easier.

 

Hammers?  Is that a medical term?   

[B-Man]

 

 

There is NO variant that is stronger than the original virus in history.

 

Delta has been determined to be MORE contagious than the Alpha, but is not as deadly.

 

 

[Chef Jim]

 

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

I'll refer to Chairman Cuomo:

 

 

 

That has been my contention all along.  I'll have to rethink my position now.  

Edited July 20, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Big Blitz]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

There is NO variant that is stronger than the original virus in history.

 

Delta has been determined to be MORE contagious than the Alpha, but is not as deadly.

 

 

 

 

 

BHATTACHARYA: I don't know. It continues a trend of politicization of the disease and of the response to the disease that is really unfortunate. And I think, you know, just to highlight what they ought to be saying.

The vaccine in some ways, and actually, in many ways, the roll out in the United States and the U.K. has been an enormous success. We have decoupled cases from deaths because the vaccine -- I mean, it does protect against severe disease, especially among the old who face a very high risk of death and hospitalization, maybe four or five percent if they get infected. This protects against that, I mean quite effectively, not a hundred percent, but quite effectively.

The cases are rising in the U.K., yet the deaths haven't risen. They have solved COVID in some sense. They have now have focused protection. They should be cheering the success to the sky. Instead, we have this demonization and blame and politicization, which has characterized much of the public health's sort of response to the epidemic and is really unfortunate.

CARLSON: So, the Prime Minister -- and I don't want to pile on poor Boris Johnson who does seem to be failing at his job, unfortunately -- but he is essentially putting the country into a new series of lockdowns. You're hearing politicians here suggest that we may get another round of those in this country.

Why at this moment, would we do that?

BHATTACHARYA: It makes no sense actually. The lockdowns didn't succeed in controlling the virus the last time. We have a variant, the delta variant, which is more infectious and I mean, according to the reports it's still uncertain, but less -- it is probably likely less deadly than the other variants we've had.

The lockdowns didn't work then, why should they work now? And they will continue and have continued to impose enormous costs. Actually today was Freedom Day in the U.K. This should have been a day of celebration and yet, we've had this sort of specter of another lockdown pulled over in front of us.

I think it's a mistake. I think we should be declaring a great success with the vaccine roll out with COVID. We've decoupled cases from deaths. We've achieved focused protection.

CARLSON: Yes. It is hard for political actors to declare victory if it means relinquishing power as you may have noticed.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-democrats-claim-that-were-in-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated-is-simply-untrue.amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

 

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. He is a Professor of Medicine at Stanford.

 

I'm not sure if he is Facebook verified.  

[TSOL]

I hope the CDC has this thread bookmarked and is watching it closely, since we have so many virology experts posting in here. 

[Sundancer]

21 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

There is NO variant that is stronger than the original virus in history.

 

 

I know you post a lot of nonsense from behind the veil of Tweets but this is absurd. 
 

The long term trend of viruses is for them to weaken but there absolutely are virus mutations that get more deadly. Ebola, Spanish Flu come quickly to mind. 

21 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Delta has been determined to be MORE contagious than the Alpha, but is not as deadly.

 

 

Whether it’s more or less deadly is not yet certain but it is perhaps less, however if it’s more contagious, it could kill more unvaccinated people. See India and more young people in the hospital in general. 

[ALF]

28 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Hammers?  Is that a medical term?   

 

That's a ALF term 

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

That's a ALF term 

 

How things have changed.  When I was younger getting hammered was a good thing.  

[Sundancer]

Virginia has interesting data on deaths, cases, and hospitalization by vaccine status. 
 

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-data-insights/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/

 

It will be interesting to watch this as cases rise in the next month. It’s currently telling the same story we see everywhere. Unvaccinated people spreading and hospitalizing each other. 

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Virginia has interesting data on deaths, cases, and hospitalization by vaccine status. 
 

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-data-insights/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/

 

It will be interesting to watch this as cases rise in the next month. It’s currently telling the same story we see everywhere. Unvaccinated people spreading and hospitalizing each other. 

 

So if they are spreading to each other what's the concern? 

[RiotAct]

Exactly.  They have made the conscious decision “I’m okay rolling the dice if I catch it.”

 

 

Poloncarz’ comments yesterday about possible shutdowns “if cases rise dramatically” were extremely troubling.

 

https://www.wgrz.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-numbers/erie-county-will-reconsider-restrictions-if-covid-19-cases-keep-going-up/71-e83b544d-c0c4-43ea-9fc4-5818165a1169

 

The whole un-questioning  “they’re going to shut us down again if everyone doesn’t get the jab!!!” mindset is extremely bizarre.

[SectionC3]

5 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Asking you to clarify your position as to why the GA Bill is Jim Crow on steroids is incomprehensible gibberish?   

 

Real men admit when they are wrong.  

 

Later Troll........

 

Asked, and asked, and asked, and asked again, then asked some more. And answered prior to your redundant questioning.  Do your research, Chef Jim Crow.  

[Chef Jim]

12 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Asked, and asked, and asked, and asked again, then asked some more. And answered prior to your redundant questioning.  Do your research, Chef Jim Crow.  

 

Yup.....I'm the immature one.  

 

Later Troll.......

[B-Man]

 

 

Number of COVID-positive detainees in Rio Grande Valley sector has increased 900 percent in past 14 months

 

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/20/fox-news-number-of-covid-positive-detainees-in-rio-grande-valley-sector-has-increased-900-percent-in-past-14-months/

 

 

 

[BillStime]

Rand got a Fauci ouchie today 

 

 

[B-Man]

On 7/19/2021 at 11:45 AM, B-Man said:

 

Reminder:

Center for Disease Control: Blacks and Hispanics still least likely to be vaccinated

 

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/07/19/cdc-blacks-and-hispanics-still-least-likely-to-be-vaccinated-n402993

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

Rand got a Fauci ouchie today 

 

 

 

Gee, I'm old enough to remember if you lost your temper at a senate hearing, it was an admission of guilt.

 

The left and the media told us so. 😂

 

 

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Gee, I'm old enough to remember if you lost your temper at a senate hearing, it was an admission of guilt.

 

The left and the media told us so. 😂

 

 

 

Tantrum? Reach harder Bonnie.

 

But since you brought Brett up - why is Trump throwing his boy under the bus?

Edited July 20, 2021 by BillStime

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Gee, I'm old enough to remember if you lost your temper at a senate hearing, it was an admission of guilt.

 

The left and the media told us so. 😂

 

 

 

That is a guy with good judicial temperament.  Hoax. 

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Tantrum? Reach harder Bonnie.

 

But since you brought Brett up - why is Trump throwing his boy under the bus?

Trump probably is pissed he wasn’t invited to the kegger with Squigg. 

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

Thanks for the update.  I’m sure you posted that out of concern, and in no way intended your post to sound the dog whistle. 

[716er]

 

[Doc]

Trump urged people to get the vaccine back in March on Fox.  Why didn't the MSM relay that message to everyone?

[Big Blitz]

U.S. case spike!

 

 

Cases were 60K a day in late May when everything was being relaxed.  

 

No one was panicking then.  Odd.  

 

 

Almost like we're in a scripted show.....

 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, Doc said:

Trump urged people to get the vaccine back in March on Fox.  Why didn't the MSM relay that message to everyone?

You need the visual of him actually getting it or they won't believe it.  A savant at marketing knows that so why didn't he do it?  Because he knows a lot of anti-vaxers support him.  That way he can say he pushed for the vaccine and then give a wink to the anti vaxers come 2024.   It's a move reminiscent of when he said Covid policy should be left to the states and shortly after retweeted "liberate Minnesota" and "liberate Michigan."  He's a master at doublespeak.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

You need the visual of him actually getting it or they won't believe it.  A savant at marketing knows that so why didn't he do it?  Because he knows a lot of anti-vaxers support him.  That way he can say he pushed for the vaccine and then give a wink to the anti vaxers come 2024.   It's a move reminiscent of when he said Covid policy should be left to the states and shortly after retweeted "liberate Minnesota" and "liberate Michigan."  He's a master at doublespeak.

He’s an American bon vivant, Russian double agent, reality tv star, brand Ambassador for an international hotel chain, Ukrainian power broker and now extra secret doublespeaker running the old I-helped-deliver-the-vax-said-I-got-vaxxed-but-really-didn’t-vax-thumbs-up-emoji  long game.

 

When you take the time to write it down, it’s not all that farfetched.  

 

 

[RiotAct]

13 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

damn Trumpkins!!!

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

You need the visual of him actually getting it or they won't believe it.  A savant at marketing knows that so why didn't he do it?  Because he knows a lot of anti-vaxers support him.  That way he can say he pushed for the vaccine and then give a wink to the anti vaxers come 2024.   It's a move reminiscent of when he said Covid policy should be left to the states and shortly after retweeted "liberate Minnesota" and "liberate Michigan."  He's a master at doublespeak.

 

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

He’s an American bon vivant, Russian double agent, reality tv star, brand Ambassador for an international hotel chain, Ukrainian power broker and now extra secret doublespeaker running the old I-helped-deliver-the-vax-said-I-got-vaxxed-but-really-didn’t-vax-thumbs-up-emoji  long game.

 

When you take the time to write it down, it’s not all that farfetched.  

 

 

its not really anti-vaxers that's the problem.  The problem is the government itself.  If the government was a single person it would be easier to explain and resolve.  And if the government was a person I might say something like the following to explain the hesitancy some have:

 

"Listen, the fact is you have no credibility with a lot of people.  Your story is riddled with a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions.  And you change it using the excuse of following some science but when people look at your pronouncements and changes to your story a lot of them don't appear to follow that science.

You worry about mis-information and you attempt to stop it.  But a lot of people you say are spreading mis-information are experts that just disagree with your conclusions and policies.  Like the researcher that identified and developed the mRNA processes some of the vaccines are based on.  And his posts and comments get blocked.  Or laughing at and blocking talk about the Lab origin story for over a year and then all of a sudden it becomes credible.  That looks bad.  That looks like you are hiding something or trying to avoid some conversations about your program and goals.  And lets face it, you're the biggest source of mis-information in the entire world.  You might not agree with or like that assessment but that's how people see you.  Somebody that's full of crap trying to stop others from calling you out.

Your minions say the vaccines are "safe" but what does that really mean?  If I look at the numbers more people that have died or had serious and reported adverse side effects from these COVID vaccines its way more than what has been reported for all other vaccines combined over the past 35 years.  That doesn't sound safe.  And we have absolutely no idea what negative long term consequences might arise from the vaccines.  So just say that.  There's likely some subgroup of the population that its dangerous to but you still push this one size fits all lets gets everyone the shot. This makes it look like you are ignoring facts, ignoring science when you claim to follow it.  This makes you look like somebody that can't be trusted.

You continue to ignore a big part of the population that got sick, recovered, and generated antibody resistance to COVID naturally.  But you keep insisting they get vaccinated too.  Which violates a lot of medical concepts and logic like the concept of "medical necessity".  Avoid or reject the risks of unnecessary procedures.

Also, children shouldn't be vaccinated if they have zero risk of adverse impacts.  And suggesting they should get a shot simply to protect other people is ridiculous. The idea of vaccination is to protect yourself.  At least it used to be before COVID.  The rules here should be consistent with what the rules are for all other viruses and if they aren't you need to explain rationally why they are not consistent.  Which you won't do.

In summary, you think you are above being questioned or challenged, you think your authority is absolute.  But it is not.  You need to stop lying about everything and tell the truth.  Then people might get on board with the goals here and they might see you again as somebody with credibility.  Somebody that's a leader. somebody they can trust"

[Big Blitz]

Right.

 

On.

 

Schedule.

 

 

 

Child cases of Covid-19 are rising as schools gear up to reopen. But vaccines for the youngest are still months away

 

(CNN)New Covid-19 cases among children are back on the rise after months of declines, just as schools across the United States are gearing up to reopen in a few weeks.

 

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) said Tuesday more than 23,550 child cases of Covid were reported between July 8 and 15 -- nearly double what was being reported in late June (but nowhere near the pandemic high you're just too dumb to notice our stat manipulation). Child age ranges vary by state, according to the group's most recent report, with more than half of states defining children as anyone 19 or younger, and two states -- Utah and Florida -- limiting the range to anyone 14 or younger.

 

The AAP said severe illness remains rare among children, but with Covid-19 cases rising in most of the country once again, experts have warned lagging vaccinations and the ferocious Delta variant could spell trouble (lol even we don't know what this means but you'll be scared) for the country's youngest, many of whom are still ineligible for a vaccine (we aren't sure you know this yet but really want to drive that home).

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/20/health/covid-children-cases-schools-reopening/index.html

 

 

As a bonus! 

 

Right at the top of the fear porn:

 

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

Bonus fear!

 

 

"You're going to have a lot of children less than 12 years of age who don't even have the option of getting a vaccine," Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, said. "So I think children are at risk. I think if people have children that are 10 years old, 11 years old, they're thinking, 'there''s no vaccine, I think my child's going to be at risk.'"

 

"If I was the parent of a child that age, I would want all those children to wear masks," he added.

 

One official expects 'significant' outbreaks in schools

 

Despite experts' recommendations, some states have already enacted legislation prohibiting districts from requiring masks in schools -- setting up yet another potential round of clashes between health and local leaders across the country.

 

The state's top health official said Tuesday he expects to see "significant outbreaks within the school system."

 

"What's already telling me that that's going to happen are the number of daycare closures that have occurred because of outbreaks occurring, and the camp exposures and closures that are occurring," Dr. Jose Romero, secretary of health of the Arkansas Health Department, said in a US News and World Report event on vaccine inequity and misinformation. "What I'm trying to do publicly and privately with my own patients is stress the importance of the mask."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/20/health/covid-children-cases-schools-reopening/index.html

Edited July 21, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Sundancer]

It will be interesting to watch this once Delta has run amok. This particular sort is just the last two months:

 

 

Source

10 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

I like Twitter but my god it's stupid sometimes. 

[Sundancer]

18 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

So if they are spreading to each other what's the concern? 

 

Sigh. 

[BillStime]

 

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

That's a lie.

 

That's disgusting.

 

 

But if true, that her response (allegedly) wasn't "we'll get it for you when you get out of here" demonstrates she has no business being a doctor and worse she is a deranged human. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

If she says this to herself she needs to find a bridge and jump off it.

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

That's a lie.

 

But if true 

 

Sums up @Big Blitz

[All_Pro_Bills]

15 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Is this medical satire?