The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

No?

 

 

 

That would be fine if that was the post of mine you quoted.  

[BillStime]

85,000,000 +1

 

Just got my first Pfizer vaccine.

 

 

[Sundancer]

23 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

That would be fine if that was the post of mine you quoted.  

 

You are not Chef Jim? 

 

Did you take stupid pills today? 

[Tiberius]

17 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

You are not Chef Jim? 

 

Did you take stupid pills today? 

He OD's on those pills everyday 

[Melon]

On 4/10/2021 at 4:49 PM, Chef Jim said:

 

The flu of 1918 killed a lot more people but went away rather quickly without a vaccine. What do you think explains that?

 

[Chef Jim]

On 4/18/2021 at 4:26 PM, Chef Jim said:

I’m not referring to specific virus. Why did the Spanish flu cases drop dramatically (better)?

 

@Sundancer  This is the post of mine you quoted.   Why did Spanish Flue cases drop dramatically in 1919?  Can anything be learned from that?  

1 hour ago, Melon said:

 

 

You're confused as to what post of mine you were quoting.   Sorry you can't follow along.  

[Sundancer]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

@Sundancer  This is the post of mine you quoted.   Why did Spanish Flue cases drop dramatically in 1919?  Can anything be learned from that?  

 

You're confused as to what post of mine you were quoting.   Sorry you can't follow along.  

 

I've been responding to the first dumb post over and over. You can keep saying that you didn't say the Spanish Flu "went away" but of course you actually did and I've quoted it twice and the peanut gallery did a couple times too. Either withdraw that wrong statement or just keep dancing. 

 

It's OK to say you were wrong on the internet. 

[Chef Jim]

13 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

I've been responding to the first dumb post over and over. You can keep saying that you didn't say the Spanish Flu "went away" but of course you actually did and I've quoted it twice and the peanut gallery did a couple times too. Either withdraw that wrong statement or just keep dancing. 

 

It's OK to say you were wrong on the internet. 

I reiterated my wording which you’ve quoted. Stop with the semantics BS and simply answer my question.  Why did the number of cases and deaths of the Spanish Flu drop dramatically in the summer/fall of 1919?

[Big Blitz]

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[GaryPinC]

On 4/18/2021 at 10:17 AM, Chef Jim said:

 

Anecdote time.

 

I cure my own sausages.  I spray them with a bacteria.  It's a "good" bacteria designed to protect the sausages from "bad" bacteria.  That's the white mold you see on certain cured meat.  When they are fully cured the mold his too much so I wipe it off.  I noticed I was getting congested after doing that.  Mold in your lungs is very scary.  So 2020 rolls around and I have all sorts of masks to use.  I had two batches done over two weekends.  I wear my cheap blue "paper" mask one week.  Chest is congested.  Week two I switch to my dense cloth mask.  Guess what?  Chest was congested. So my little experiment shows masks may not work?  

 

Explain my story.  

 

Surgical and basic cloth masks primarily filter (trap) and slow down what is coming out of your nose and mouth.  They offer little to some protection from incoming air (depending on a number of factors), which would be further reduced if you're developing an allergic reaction to the mold.  Get a real sealing mask with filters and wipe them down outdoors is an open, well-ventilated area.  Use of a fan, also.

 

On 4/18/2021 at 6:55 AM, oldmanfan said:

I could post rebuttals as well as do my own to this article.  It ignores the fact that the virus is spread primarily by droplets and aerosols and not as free virus.  It ignores that the studies of hypoxia involve only N95 masks.  And so on.  But you have made it abundantly clear you don’t care about actual science and want to wallow in self-pity.

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.com/seeing-not-necessarily-believing

 

Despite its official-looking source and format, this article appeared in the journal Medical Hypotheses. This journal’s purpose (according to the publisher) "is to publish interesting theoretical papers.” They go on to say that the journal will “consider radical, speculative and non-mainstream scientific ideas provided they are coherently expressed.” When you search for Medical Hypotheses on the internet, you’ll find that it is not conventionally peer-reviewed (reviewed and fact-checked by a team of experts in the field to avoid publishing misinformation). 

 

I think this about covers it, especially if you choose to read the article.  Of course the right wing tweetards will pump it as a gospel study.

  

Edited April 20, 2021 by GaryPinC

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

I reiterated my wording which you’ve quoted. Stop with the semantics BS and simply answer my question.  Why did the number of cases and deaths of the Spanish Flu drop dramatically in the summer/fall of 1919?

 

This is as close as you can get to saying you were wrong? 

 

Assuming you understand that you were 100% wrong to say it "went away," I already answered this. 

[Chef Jim]

28 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

 

Surgical and basic cloth masks primarily filter (trap) and slow down what is coming out of your nose and mouth.  They offer little to some protection from incoming air (depending on a number of factors), which would be further reduced if you're developing an allergic reaction to the mold.  Get a real sealing mask with filters and wipe them down outdoors is an open, well-ventilated area.  Use of a fan, also.

 

  

 

Thanks Gary!   My wife mentioned a fan.  

5 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

This is as close as you can get to saying you were wrong? 

 

Assuming you understand that you were 100% wrong to say it "went away," I already answered this. 

 

I was 100000% wrong saying it went away.  

 

Now why did the number of case from the Spanish Flu drop dramatically in the summer/fall of 1919? 

 

I'm sorry. You did say it was because herd immunity.  Are we or are we not slowing down herd immunity by us all being deathly afraid of catching Covid?  To be fair we all aren't deathly afraid of catching it.  I'm not.  

Edited April 20, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Niagara Bill]

Not that I wish him bad results, but Ted Nugent, the guy who denied the pandemic, who hates vaccines, is very very ill with Covid and changed his position. 

So Chef, Nugent had no fear, 'til now...please stay safe. 

We need the humor your opinions bring😁

[SoCal Deek]

41 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Not that I wish him bad results, but Ted Nugent, the guy who denied the pandemic, who hates vaccines, is very very ill with Covid and changed his position. 

So Chef, Nugent had no fear, 'til now...please stay safe. 

We need the humor your opinions bring😁

Niagara, as I’ve suggested many times before, if you are personally concerned about catching Covid then please take all of the personal precautions that you feel are necessary. It’s pretty simple really.
 

The fact that some aging rock musician caught the virus has literally zero influence on how I’m dealing with the potential for my exposure. 

[Niagara Bill]

12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Niagara, as I’ve suggested many times before, if you are personally concerned about catching Covid then please take all of the personal precautions that you feel are necessary. It’s pretty simple really.
 

The fact that some aging rock musician caught the virus has literally zero influence on how I’m dealing with the potential for my exposure. 

Actually, not worried about how you deal with the virus. A surf board seems like a safe place with no mask, "Surfin USA", or "In my Room" for SoCal dude and his "Barbara Ann" know what's best.

I was responding Chef J. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Niagara Bill said:

Actually, not worried about how you deal with the virus. A surf board seems like a safe place with no mask, "Surfin USA", or "In my Room" for SoCal dude and his "Barbara Ann" know what's best.

I was responding Chef J. 

And....Back to the juvenile surfer references. You’re clearly unaware of your prejudice on full display every time you post this crap...right? I’m sure your responses would be decidedly different if you were referring to some liberal centric defended ‘protected class’. 

[GaryPinC]

16 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Thanks Gary!   My wife mentioned a fan.  

 

I was 100000% wrong saying it went away.  

 

Now why did the number of case from the Spanish Flu drop dramatically in the summer/fall of 1919? 

 

I'm sorry. You did say it was because herd immunity.  Are we or are we not slowing down herd immunity by us all being deathly afraid of catching Covid?  To be fair we all aren't deathly afraid of catching it.  I'm not.  

Sure, you must continue your valuable work!😉 

https://www.amazon.com/3M-142-5303-Facepiece-Disposable-Respirator/dp/B01HMF80O8/ref=asc_df_B01HMF80O8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309707611836&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13199722352912629504&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9015308&hvtargid=pla-569957100225&psc=1

 

I use something like this, you can find them at Lowe's/HD or a hardware store.  Even though bulky and ugly, they work.  In your situation this is what I'd do:  wear disposable gloves and mask,  use a damp wiping cloth and afterwards immediately rinse down/wash the wiping cloth and hands/arms before removing mask.  Definitely outdoors/open area (very important) with a fan.     If I still had congestion issues, I'd shower off immediately afterwards too.  Hopefully that would take care of the congestion.

I'd do 6 months of max precautions then forego only the mask and see if my immune system has now desensitized to the mold.  I'd minimally continue to do it well-ventilated outdoors with a damp cloth to avoid a recurrence and would probably keep the fan/gloves also.

 

Regarding Covid, last year it quickly showed the ability abroad (and in NYC) to overwhelm health care systems.  Our medical professionals had no concrete, proven ways to treat this novel virus.  We were absolutely trying to slow down infectivity and unintentionally herd immunity to gain time to enable scientific and medical knowledge, and for successful treatments to become available.

 

For me as a scientist, there are 3 scary things about this virus:  1) It utilizes the ace-2 receptor, which is ubiquitous to all parts of the body including the brain 2) asymptomatic spread 3) The number of bizarre and/or debilitating effects on people of all ages who survive and never appear in the "death" statistics.

 

Simply put, the more Covid circulates, the more it mutates and you risk young people becoming more afflicted or these non-lethal effects amplifying in number and intensity.  Might it not happen?  Sure, but there is no one who can say how a freely circulating and mutating Covid will change but the warning signs are frightening.  It's too bad most just fixate on past statistics. 

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

And....Back to the juvenile surfer references. You’re clearly unaware of your prejudice on full display every time you post this crap...right? I’m sure your responses would be decidedly different if you were referring to some liberal centric defended ‘protected class’. 

Now now now! Such a thin skin....you should be proud of Surfin USA, great music, along with John and Denny, singing" and no one getting fat except Mama Cass".

Dude, didn't know surfin was a protected class. I always thought Moon Doggy and Gidg were just plain middle class. Always had the greatest respect for Haight Ashbury folks ( know that is NoCal).

Thanks for letting me know that I am stereotyping someone who calls himself SoCal.

Now don't you dare tell me to jump over the falls. 🙃

[Sundancer]

19 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Now why did the number of case from the Spanish Flu drop dramatically in the summer/fall of 1919? 

 

The virus probably mutated to become less lethal combined with some immunity. That's the theory--no one knows.

 

19 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

I'm sorry. You did say it was because herd immunity.  Are we or are we not slowing down herd immunity by us all being deathly afraid of catching Covid?  To be fair we all aren't deathly afraid of catching it.  I'm not.  

 

I'm not either. Wasn't before I got the vaccine and am not now. It may kill me. It may not. So might my drive to Home Depot this weekend. Whatevs. 

 

I am against the lockdowns but are we slowing down herd immunity by doing them? I assume so but I haven't seen anything convincing on what % of the herd needs to get it before herd immunity sets in. 

[B-Man]

 

 

SCIENCE !!

 

 

 

The mask scam continues.

[Doc]

37 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

SCIENCE !!

 

 

 

The mask scam continues.

 

Ah!  I guess when you're on TV, either rioting or mugging for the camera, you can't be infected by China virus.  Science!

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Now now now! Such a thin skin....you should be proud of Surfin USA, great music, along with John and Denny, singing" and no one getting fat except Mama Cass".

Dude, didn't know surfin was a protected class. I always thought Moon Doggy and Gidg were just plain middle class. Always had the greatest respect for Haight Ashbury folks ( know that is NoCal).

Thanks for letting me know that I am stereotyping someone who calls himself SoCal.

Now don't you dare tell me to jump over the falls. 🙃

I did tell you to deal with the problems in your own country before sticking your nose into others...but it seems it’s way easier for you to assume the role of internet tough guy. That appears to be your happy place even if it does make you come across as a miserable piece of utter sh$t. 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

The virus probably mutated to become less lethal combined with some immunity. That's the theory--no one knows.

 

 

I'm not either. Wasn't before I got the vaccine and am not now. It may kill me. It may not. So might my drive to Home Depot this weekend. Whatevs. 

 

I am against the lockdowns but are we slowing down herd immunity by doing them? I assume so but I haven't seen anything convincing on what % of the herd needs to get it before herd immunity sets in. 

 

Thank you. Now that we got my mistake out of the way we can have an adult conversation.  

 

I've not been vaccinated.  I may only get vaccinated so I can travel back east to visit my family.  We'll see.

 

I just find it fascinating regarding the Spanish Flu in 1919 and what caused it to, as I so incorrectly worded, go away.  

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Thank you. Now that we got my mistake out of the way we can have an adult conversation.  

 

I've not been vaccinated.  I may only get vaccinated so I can travel back east to visit my family.  We'll see.

 

I just find it fascinating regarding the Spanish Flu in 1919 and what caused it to, as I so incorrectly worded, go away.  

We argue about things here, and clearly disagree on some things, but let me just reach out here as a research scientist with over 40 years lab and clinical experience.  Please get vaccinated.  The science supports it.  I know you hear things about the mRNA vaccines being new, and that they haven't been tested and so on, but the real data are these:

 

1.  The mRNA technology has been around for a while, and while this is the first time it's been used in a clinical setting it basically does the same thing classical vaccines do: exposes your immune system to a viral specific protein that you then will generate an immune response against.  The ingredients are basically the mRNA itself, some lipids for solubility and a salt solution.  The mRNA degrades; it does not affect your own DNA.

 

2.  The  Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have over 95% effectiveness  at preventing death and/or long term hospitalization, and data from Israel indicates they will provide over 90% effectiveness in spreading virus to others. 

 

3.  Concern has been expressed that the vaccines are experimental and not approved.  They have emergency use authorization and the FDA gave that based on tens of thousands of patients treated in clinical trials.  They are safe.  

 

4.  The variants out there seem to be protected against by these two mRNA vaccines, and these variants are more highly infectious.  

 

5.  I get the reluctance about the J & J shot, even though I think it should still be given because the complication rate is so low.  But the issue with the J & J isn't seen with the mRNA ones.  

 

We can argue about other things all you want, but this transcends that.  I don't want to see you or anyone else around here get Covid and die, or get it and then have to deal with the long term complications that are becoming increasingly prevalent and will likely sap you of years down the road.  I ask you:  get the vaccine so we can enjoy (well, I enjoy at least!) debating and arguing on TBD for years into the future.  Be safe, my friend.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

We argue about things here, and clearly disagree on some things, but let me just reach out here as a research scientist with over 40 years lab and clinical experience.  Please get vaccinated.  The science supports it.  I know you hear things about the mRNA vaccines being new, and that they haven't been tested and so on, but the real data are these:

 

1.  The mRNA technology has been around for a while, and while this is the first time it's been used in a clinical setting it basically does the same thing classical vaccines do: exposes your immune system to a viral specific protein that you then will generate an immune response against.  The ingredients are basically the mRNA itself, some lipids for solubility and a salt solution.  The mRNA degrades; it does not affect your own DNA.

 

2.  The  Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have over 95% effectiveness  at preventing death and/or long term hospitalization, and data from Israel indicates they will provide over 90% effectiveness in spreading virus to others. 

 

3.  Concern has been expressed that the vaccines are experimental and not approved.  They have emergency use authorization and the FDA gave that based on tens of thousands of patients treated in clinical trials.  They are safe.  

 

4.  The variants out there seem to be protected against by these two mRNA vaccines, and these variants are more highly infectious.  

 

5.  I get the reluctance about the J & J shot, even though I think it should still be given because the complication rate is so low.  But the issue with the J & J isn't seen with the mRNA ones.  

 

We can argue about other things all you want, but this transcends that.  I don't want to see you or anyone else around here get Covid and die, or get it and then have to deal with the long term complications that are becoming increasingly prevalent and will likely sap you of years down the road.  I ask you:  get the vaccine so we can enjoy (well, I enjoy at least!) debating and arguing on TBD for years into the future.  Be safe, my friend.

 

Thanks for the advice but I don't need any advice.   

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

SCIENCE !!

 

 

 

The mask scam continues.

Virus is dormant until commercial breaks.  
 

Another wrinkle to the magically morphing virus.  Hovers fearfully over crowds of people engaged in social causes AND important speeches about people who pretended to be someone else for an hour-thirty.  

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I did tell you to deal with the problems in your own country before sticking your nose into others...but it seems it’s way easier for you to assume the role of internet tough guy. That appears to be your happy place even if it does make you come across as a miserable piece of utter sh$t. 

Seriously. Internet tough guy. Get a grip. Name one thing I said that makes you think I am doing that. You are the guy calling me out, trying to bully me from your sanctimonious perch. 

Your skin is way too thin. If you think I am a piece of utter sh$t, so be it. That opinion and $10.00 WILL GIVE YOU $10.00.

Don't know what you have against the Beach Boys. They made Cali famous. 

Don't know what you have against John Sébastien and Denny Doherty other than Denny is Canadian. And Mama Cass...died too young. 

So, back to your intercity perch, stay out of Laurel Canyon, and be happy. 

We all have "Heros and Villians" in our life. 

BTW, you don't happen to play a TV cop on NCIS LA, Deeks. 😂

If you are not smiling a little, then just fxxx xxx.

[Chef Jim]

56 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Virus is dormant until commercial breaks.  

 

Virus is dormant until you walk out of the restaurant where you just spent two hours (and $300).  

 

Let's keep it going.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

57 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Virus is dormant until you walk out of the restaurant where you just spent two hours (and $300).  

 

Let's keep it going.  

Just remember what they always say—it’s on all of us, just on some of us more.  

[Big Blitz]

"Tureci's comments come after Bourla said in an interview that aired April 15 that people will likely need a booster shot, or third dose, of the Covid-19 vaccine within 12 months of getting fully vaccinated. He also said it's possible people will need to get additional shots each year."

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/21/scientist-who-helped-develop-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine-agrees-third-shot-is-needed-as-immunity-wanes.html

 

 

 

Um.  Then why are we using the term "fully vaccinated?"

 

 

 

F...ing dupes.  Everyone.  

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Thank you. Now that we got my mistake out of the way we can have an adult conversation.  

 

I've not been vaccinated.  I may only get vaccinated so I can travel back east to visit my family.  We'll see.

 

I just find it fascinating regarding the Spanish Flu in 1919 and what caused it to, as I so incorrectly worded, go away.  

For the record, immunity and mutation to a less virulent form is the strong working/accepted theory.  It started out in the spring of 1918 not being exceptionally lethal but went across the world thanks in large part to troop movements.  It picked up it's more lethal mutation in Europe and went back around the world in large part to troops coming back home in the fall of 1918. 

 

It exists as a large part of the seasonal flu now for over 100 years.  They were able to reconstruct the virus from preserved lung tissue in 1918 and validate it against a 1918-buried Inuit woman's permafrost-preserved lungs around 1998.  In reconstructed form, it's 100 times more lethal to mice than seasonal flu.

 

A bit long but easy to read article:  https://www.history.com/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended?li_source=LI&li_medium=m2m-rcw-history

 

Detailed CDC article delving more into the sequencing story:  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/reconstruction-1918-virus.html

 

"What’s even more remarkable about the 1918 flu, say infectious disease experts, is that it never really went away. After infecting an estimated 500 million people worldwide in 1918 and 1919 (a third of the global population), the H1N1 strain that caused the Spanish flu receded into the background and stuck around as the regular seasonal flu."

 

Really interesting that the Spanish flu variant was a combination of avian and human flu that we passed on to pigs in 1918 that adapted then later recombined with avian and human strains to give us the Swine flu in 2009.

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Seriously. Internet tough guy. Get a grip. Name one thing I said that makes you think I am doing that. You are the guy calling me out, trying to bully me from your sanctimonious perch. 

Your skin is way too thin. If you think I am a piece of utter sh$t, so be it. That opinion and $10.00 WILL GIVE YOU $10.00.

Don't know what you have against the Beach Boys. They made Cali famous. 

Don't know what you have against John Sébastien and Denny Doherty other than Denny is Canadian. And Mama Cass...died too young. 

So, back to your intercity perch, stay out of Laurel Canyon, and be happy. 

We all have "Heros and Villians" in our life. 

BTW, you don't happen to play a TV cop on NCIS LA, Deeks. 😂

If you are not smiling a little, then just fxxx xxx.

Back at you dude. Grow up. 

[Doc Brown]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

"Tureci's comments come after Bourla said in an interview that aired April 15 that people will likely need a booster shot, or third dose, of the Covid-19 vaccine within 12 months of getting fully vaccinated. He also said it's possible people will need to get additional shots each year."

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/21/scientist-who-helped-develop-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine-agrees-third-shot-is-needed-as-immunity-wanes.html

 

 

 

Um.  Then why are we using the term "fully vaccinated?"

 

 

 

F...ing dupes.  Everyone.  

Kind of like your yearly flu shot?

[Sundancer]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Kind of like your yearly flu shot?

 

Or tetanus or shingles or ...

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

Or tetanus or shingles or ...

Why not? It could be the best way to handle it going forward. Who’s to say we haven’t come across a nasty virus that’s really really stubborn? We simple don’t know enough about it’s longevity in the global population yet. It simply hasn’t been around long enough to know. But...we also don’t know enough about the long term impact of these vaccines (got my second dose yesterday). One thing I do know is that we’re all WAY better than to be wearing a stupid mask around for the remainder of the human species! 

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Why not? It could be the best way to handle it going forward. Who’s to say we haven’t come across a nasty virus that’s really really stubborn? We simple don’t know enough about it’s longevity in the global population yet. It simply hasn’t been around long enough to know. But...we also don’t know enough about the long term impact of these vaccines (got my second dose yesterday). One thing I do know is that we’re all WAY better than to be wearing a stupid mask around for the remainder of the human species! 

 

Totally agree. 

[Big Blitz]

Your mask.....has never worked. 

 

Worst policy decision in human history:

 

 

 

More scientists now believe COVID-19 spreads primarily through the air

 

This month, studies in three prominent medical journals -- the Lancet, the British Medical Journal and the Journal of the American Medical Association – each made the case that aerosols are the dominant mode of transmission of COVID-19 and that improved ventilation will help keep us safe (lol said as if this possible lolol).

 

Greenhalgh likened aerosol transmission of COVID-19 to second-hand smoke, which can linger in the air.

 

“It's a good analogy,” she said. “If someone was smoking in the room, how long would you stay in the room? Probably not very long.”

 

“One person told me: ‘I didn't take off my mask so how did I get this?’ Other people that you ask will say they only really took one trip,” said Dr. Alex Patel, a critical care physician in Toronto. “I remember one case just last week where they said they really only went to a small grocery store. They didn't really do much else.”

 

They also argue people should be wearing more fitted masks to control the spread.

 

“It's really important that the air that you're breathing in has as much barriers as possible and also the air that you're breathing out has as many barriers as possible,” Freire-Gormaly said. “If you have access to a higher-quality mask, that's important.”

 

With this new information, Greenhalgh urges people to get outside to protect themselves from the virus’ spread.

 

“The most important message I think is ventilation,” she said. “If there's one thing I get you to remember, be outdoors as much as possible. If you must be indoors, have the windows open.”

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/more-scientists-now-believe-covid-19-spreads-primarily-through-the-air-1.5397442

 

 

Idiots.

 

This isn't a pandemic anymore.

 

This is called "life."  It isn't going anywhere.  Ever.  You've ceded your life to the State permanently.  It is basically May 1.  What are the back to normal metrics?  I own a business why am I limiting my customers that choose to live that life and accept the risk?  

 

If you can't defend that, you've surrendered to the China Coup I mean flu.  

 

 

 

Excited for the debates come September about how mandates should be "properly fitted" masks.

 

 

Reminder:

 

From the 6:30 mark to 6:50.......biggest woops of the whole sham:

 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Doc]

Gee, a full 16 months after the pandemic started and they're starting to understand this.  Yet it was all Trump's fault.

[B-Man]

 

 

NOR SHOULD IT: 

 

University of North Carolina System said it has no ‘legal authority’ to mandate COVID vaccines.

 

https://www.thecollegefix.com/university-of-north-carolina-system-said-it-has-no-legal-authority-to-mandate-covid-vaccines/