OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 14 hours ago, WideNine said: The fact that people from China flew into the US via the largest airport on the West Coast (LAX) is kind of academic if you consider you know...geography. I doubt it has much to do with politics on the left coast, also, the Federal government and the CDC were in charge of monitoring and restricting entry at our 5 biggest airports servicing Asian countries. A more accurate way to describe Trump’s Jan. 31 proclamation is as a “restriction” on travel from mainland China — not as an outright ban. There were numerous exemptions in place that appeared to nullify the goal of preventing travel into the country to stop the spread of the virus. These exemptions included people traveling from the Special Autonomous Regions of Hong Kong and Macau, and U.S. citizens, residents, their spouses, and close relatives. Exemptions: https://archive.li/cfUMD#selection-347.0-357.1 The exemptions are listed in section 2, I did not copy them here. Even before the restriction was imposed, Americans and other nationalities came into the U.S. from mainland China unabated. According to an April 2020 report from The New York Times, at least 430,000 people arrived in the United States on direct flights from China since the outbreak was reported on the last day of 2019, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after the February restrictions were put in place. Thousands of these travelers flew directly from Wuhan. At least 60% of the travelers arriving in the U.S. on direct flights from China in February were not American citizens, according to government data. Screening and monitoring of many travelers was found to be sporadic, and the data shared with states was incorrect, plagued by bad telephone numbers, erroneous itineraries, and travelers even claiming they had never been to China. According to internal notes and emails received by The Associated Press, there were numerous examples of travelers slipping through the cracks in the system. Basically, the federal travel restriction response amounted to a porous proclamation then a cluster **** that lacked the tools, resources, and coordination to be implemented effectively. ....the 8,000 passed through JFK according to what was published................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....the 8,000 passed through JFK according to what was published................. As I said, it was the Fed and the CDC responsible for policing our international airports...and are you reversing course on your Big Fedoland comment? Dems and Republicans alike share the blame for a country poorly prepared to take the appropriate measures to counter a pandemic. The first SARS virus was shot across the bow, but little real preparation happened, then MERS, and an outbreak of ebola that had front line experts working to contain it horrified it could mutate and spread. Stopping folks coming into the country had little effect once the COVID-19 virus had already established itself. It takes just one person at a party, or a church choir practice to turn one into 60. With sporadic and insufficient contact tracing combined with the added asymptomatic spread meant careless folks that feel fine spread it to others. It is a well-evolved virus for doing what it does, hang around and keep spreading. The best we can realistically do is keep riding the brakes so we do not overwhelm our healthcare systems and work towards a vaccine. Not enough resources or masks for front line workers, no ability to really test or trace effectively. That is bureaucracy. The wheels do not move till tragedy strikes. It was Trump's ill-conceived war against wearing masks and following the science when he was told, he was told by top infectious disease experts early on how contagious the virus was, that I cannot forgive. It was a callous disregard for American lives in the name of political survival. It was that stance that had GOP-led states like Florida and Texas keeping bars and beaches open and never really following the Phased opening guidance. Folks from Washington and California flout rules with the best of the far-right idiots in their maskless mass gatherings, so safe to say they never adhered to their state mandates either. This pandemic does not have political affiliations, but may well be the downfall of Trump and serve as an object lesson for future administrations. Edited October 23, 2020 by WideNine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, WideNine said: As I said, it was the Fed and the CDC responsible for policing our international airports...and are you reversing course on your Big Fedoland comment? Dems and Republicans alike share the blame for a country poorly prepared to take the appropriate measures to counter a pandemic. The first SARS virus was shot across the bow, but little real preparation happened, then MERS, and an outbreak of ebola that had front line experts working to contain it horrified it could mutate and spread. Stopping folks coming into the country had little effect once the COVID-19 virus had already established itself. It takes just one person at a party, or a church choir practice to turn one into 60. With sporadic and insufficient contact tracing combined with the added asymptomatic spread meant careless folks that feel fine spread it to others. It is a well-evolved virus for doing what it does, hang around and keep spreading. The best we can realistically do is keep riding the brakes so we do not overwhelm our healthcare systems and work towards a vaccine. Not enough resources or masks for front line workers, no ability to really test or trace effectively. That is bureaucracy. The wheels do not move till tragedy strikes. It was Trump's ill-conceived war against wearing masks and following the science when he was told, he was told by top infectious disease experts early on how contagious the virus was, that I cannot forgive. It was a callous disregard for American lives in the name of political survival. It was that stance that had GOP-led states like Florida and Texas keeping bars and beaches open and never really following the Phased opening guidance. Folks from Washington and California flout rules with the best of the far-right idiots in their maskless mass gatherings, so safe to say they never adhered to their state mandates either. This pandemic does not have political affiliations, but may well be the downfall of Trump and serve as an object lesson for future administrations. Nice manifesto there. Of course it’s just your opinion and I disagree with virtually all of it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Nice manifesto there. Of course it’s just your opinion and I disagree with virtually all of it. And I care... not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 From the Right Wing NYT's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: From the Right Wing NYT's So within the first year of discovering the virus our understanding of it continues to evolve? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Watched the Sea/Az game last night. They played for 3+ hours and it went to OT. The captains wore masks at midfield for the coin flip. Shirley they can't be serious with that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Yet another really low death count over the weekend. Good thing this world-ending Pandemic operates under the biblical principle of resting on the Seventh Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 7:06 AM, 4merper4mer said: Watched the Sea/Az game last night. They played for 3+ hours and it went to OT. The captains wore masks at midfield for the coin flip. Shirley they can't be serious with that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Melania Trump said: I wouldn't say that. I think they are simply following instructions no matter how silly or ridiculous those instructions are. That's a cool picture you uploaded....great photography, but a better description might be: There are overlaps with snowflakes but it isn't really the same thing. Edited October 27, 2020 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 20 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Yet another really low death count over the weekend. Good thing this world-ending Pandemic operates under the biblical principle of resting on the Seventh Day. https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/follow-science-12-million-covid-deaths-edition 1 million or 1.2 million deaths worldwide sounds like a big number and on its own you can use it to club “Covidiots” into silence, that is, until you actually look at it. Right now the slope of the case count far exceeds the slope of the fatalities. For the fatalities to come in anywhere near the Second Wave of 1918 scenario, the slope of the fatality line needs to blast off in a near vertical line right now. In the Ivor Cummins interview he mentioned Dr. Sunetra Gupta’s work indicating that COVID seems to peter out when it hits 20% of the population (but I can’t find the cite). If true, it is hard to envision a scenario where that is mathematically possible. If not true, and we’re about to experience a Second Wave of fatalities, it would be impossible to occur without seeing it in the data and right now, all of the data, everywhere is showing either a moderate rise with seasonality, or an aggregate, overall decrease in fatalities. All of this should be good news, but for some reason, people become very upset when you try to walk them through this. I’m open to all logic, data and science based objections or counter-points to where I am wrong on this, bearing in mind that “SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE GOVERNMENT AND SCIENCE” isn’t a logical, scientific or data driven counter-argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, spartacus said: All of this should be good news, but for some reason, people become very upset when you try to walk them through this. I’m open to all logic, data and science based objections or counter-points to where I am wrong on this, bearing in mind that “SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE GOVERNMENT AND SCIENCE” isn’t a logical, scientific or data driven counter-argument. Science isn't as much of a "thing", as it is a "method". What we are seeing here is the scientific method play out in real time. The media has no patience for that sort of thing, so they keep running to the microphone each time a new experiment tells them what they want to hear. I hope these people never sit on a jury! They would be a nightmare to the lawyers on BOTH sides of the case. Edited October 27, 2020 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Covid eradicates the flu couldn't be the big Covid surge is just mis-classing the regular flu to Chinese flu https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/seasonal-flu-rates-plunge-baffling-experts-who-predicted-deadly-superbug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 What level of stupidity is holding a rally during a pandemic? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What level of stupidity is holding a rally during a pandemic? what level of stupidity is protesting during a pandemic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Just now, aristocrat said: what level of stupidity is protesting during a pandemic? Yea I forget the stupid Trump protests of "No masks" crowds. Thinking putting on a mask is messing with their freedom lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: What level of stupidity is holding a rally during a pandemic? 43 minutes ago, aristocrat said: what level of stupidity is protesting during a pandemic? Let's level stupidy during a pandemic on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the height of stupidity. 1. Holding a rally during a pandemic is an 10. 2. Attending a rally during a pandemic is an 8. 3. Protesting during a pandemic is a 4. Subtract 2 from the bottom two scores if you are wearing a mask. What do you think the levels are @aristocrat? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Let's level stupidy during a pandemic on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the height of stupidity. 1. Holding a rally during a pandemic is an 10. 2. Attending a rally during a pandemic is an 8. 3. Protesting during a pandemic is a 4. Subtract 2 from the bottom two scores if you are wearing a mask. What do you think the levels are @aristocrat? 15 days to stop the spread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: 15 days to stop the spread Gone by Easter Sun will kill it Vitimin D and Zinc Clorox Don't Tread on Bleach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Gone by Easter Sun will kill it Vitimin D and Zinc Clorox Don't Tread on Bleach Wear a mask Stay home Don’t go to school Don’t go to work Edited October 28, 2020 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-casedemic-bidens-dark-winter-plan from the article The first one I will call solving the “casedemic.” This is the elevated number of cases we see nationwide because of a flaw in the PCR test. The number of times the sample is amplified, also called the cycle threshold (Ct), is too high. It identifies people who do not have a viral load capable of making them ill or transmitting the disease to someone else as positive for COVID-19. The New York Times reported this flaw on August 29 and said that in the samples they reviewed from three states where labs use a Ct of 37-40, up to 90% of tests are essentially false positives. The experts in that article said a Ct of around 30 would be more appropriate for indicating that someone could be contagious - those for whom contact tracing would make sense. . Doctors do not receive the Ct information from the labs to make a diagnostic judgment. read the article for what comes next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Wear a mask Stay home Don’t go to school Don’t go to work The virus will be over in two weeks, though, anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: The virus will be over in two weeks, though, anyway. We turned the corner....again...like we have gone in a full circle. A Trump Circle jerk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 10:30 AM, Dante said: More fear porn. No one will die. At least that can be verified. this aged well 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Wear a mask Stay home Don’t go to school Don’t go to work Yes wear a mask, if Trump didn't ***** up the initial surge of coronavirus we would have been better off. The first surge was deadly b.c they lied to everyone and refused to do anything. "Democratic Hoax" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, TBBills said: Yes wear a mask, if Trump didn't ***** up the initial surge of coronavirus we would have been better off. The first surge was deadly b.c they lied to everyone and refused to do anything. "Democratic Hoax" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KD in CA Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Europe: Lockdown, Part II Gee, I was certain that all those smart, pragmatic leaders in (why can't we be more like) Europe had this thing under control. Or is this all Trump's fault too? https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/10/29/europe-france-germany-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdowns-bittermann-pkg-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 28 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Gee, I was certain that all those smart, pragmatic leaders in (why can't we be more like) Europe had this thing under control. Gee, whiz, golly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 https://www.ksn.com/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-kansas/icu-beds-reaching-capacity-in-western-kansas-hospitals-stretched-thin/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Turning the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 https://swprs.org/the-suppressed-danish-mask-study/ masks don't work comprehensive study being suppressed by major medical journals - to avoid having peer review status and released to public - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Why can't folks see that we've going about all of this in the WRONG way. Just pull off the bandaid in one swift tug. Get as many young and middle aged people infected as soon as possible...and protect/isolate the elderly and vulnerable. This has been like lowering yourself into a cold swimming pool one inch at a time! You're better off just jumping and let your body temperature adjust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Why can't folks see that we've going about all of this in the WRONG way. Just pull off the bandaid in one swift tug. Get as many young and middle aged people infected as soon as possible...and protect/isolate the elderly and vulnerable. This has been like lowering yourself into a cold swimming pool one inch at a time! You're better off just jumping and let your body temperature adjust. Not even Sweden did that. There is something to be said for reopening faster combined with isolating the elderly and at risk. But somehow telling the elderly that the burden of reopening America falls on them (be a shut in, or quietly succumb!) isn't terribly popular with them, which appears to be reflected in the over 65 vote moving sharply in the Dem's direction .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Not even Sweden did that. There is something to be said for reopening faster combined with isolating the elderly and at risk. But somehow telling the elderly that the burden of reopening America falls on them (be a shut in, or quietly succumb!) isn't terribly popular with them, which appears to be reflected in the over 65 vote moving sharply in the Dem's direction .... I couldn't give a rats arse what Sweden did. And, this isn't March any more. We now know a whole lot more than we did back then. I also don't care about what the elderly think is popular. They're free to live their lives as well....but they'd be smarter to let this thing swiftly runs its course through the younger population. And...I really don't care about the political side of this thing, as you apparently do. Edited October 29, 2020 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I couldn't give a rats arse what Sweden did. And, this isn't March any more. We now know a whole lot more than we did back then. I also don't care about what the elderly think is popular. They're free to live their lives as well....but they'd be smarter to let this thing swiftly runs its course through the younger population. And...I really don't care about the political side of this thing, as you apparently do. I think you're missing my point. You can talk about what SoCal Deek would do till you're blue in the face. And economists can run spreadsheets with Quality Life-Years Lost and Economic Impacts of COVID Amelioration Measures all they want. Setting aside the ethics of your plan, the point is this: it is not even conceivably within the realm of the doable for either side, Repubs or Dems. That's why it hasn't happened here. That's why it hasn't happened anywhere in the world, not even in countries run by dictators or totalitarian/authoritarian regimes, who are, of course, more insulated from political pressures. So go ahead and talk about your herd immunity plan all you want. Not. Gonna. Happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, KD in CA said: Europe: Lockdown, Part II Gee, I was certain that all those smart, pragmatic leaders in (why can't we be more like) Europe had this thing under control. Or is this all Trump's fault too? https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/10/29/europe-france-germany-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdowns-bittermann-pkg-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn You know Trump is an American president.... Repubtards don't even know that Europe isn't part for the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, TBBills said: You know Trump is an American president.... Repubtards don't even know that Europe isn't part for the USA. You do realize that your comment makes absolutely ZERO sense at all, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: You do realize that your comment makes absolutely ZERO sense at all, right? And yours does? You were the one asking if Trump would get blamed for Europe... Don't be stupid and people won't treat you like you are. Edited October 29, 2020 by TBBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You do realize that your comment makes absolutely ZERO sense at all, right? Not only do his posts make no sense, he doesn't even know who he's responding to. So essentially he's the Joe Biden of PPP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: Not only do his posts make no sense, he doesn't even know who he's responding to. So essentially he's the Joe Biden of PPP. How bad is it when even republicans dont like Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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