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Notice the media has shifted from deaths and "cases!" to "but the children!" and "we don't know long term effects it will have so keep the schools closed!"  

 

Because the cases have plateaued everywhere and might just be starting to declining rapidly.  We'll know more tomorrow and Wednesday because the virus takes the weekends off. 

 

Oh.  And this was predicted 3 weeks by Captain of Team 20% Theory:

 

 

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1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

All state bailout money (what this is all about) should be tied to full reopening and reopening of the schools.  

 

Trump will be called a murderer.  If him and his team can't explain why this is not the case and the only science deniers he sees are the people calling for them to be closed. 

 

Remind them that the virus fully saturated NYC and its schools in March.  Did any children or teachers get hospitalized let alone die?  Or did the virus instantly on March 13th just skip over everyone and went right to the Assisted Living Facilities?

 

 

We are so stupid.  

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All state bailout money (what this is all about) should be tied to full reopening and reopening of the schools.  

 

Trump will be called a murderer.  If him and his team can't explain why this is not the case and the only science deniers he sees are the people calling for them to be closed. 

 

Remind them that the virus fully saturated NYC and its schools in March.  Did any children or teachers get hospitalized let alone die?  Or did the virus instantly on March 13th just skip over everyone and went right to the Assisted Living Facilities?

 

 

We are so stupid.  

 

 

...why should state bailout money go to those fiscally inept BEFORE Covid-19?......why reward gross incompetence?.......and those same bailout requests will include HUGE sums for damages incurred during the "peaceful protests"....why AGAIN reward those who have no idea how to govern or to deal with the death and destruction in their cities?.....NO WAY IN HELL should they be allowed to "go to the well" under these circumstances....screw that......even under these conditions, they CONTINUE to spend recklessly......no need for me to waste time listing......you know the drill.........

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6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...why should state bailout money go to those fiscally inept BEFORE Covid-19?......why reward gross incompetence?.......and those same bailout requests will include HUGE sums for damages incurred during the "peaceful protests"....why AGAIN reward those who have no idea how to govern or to deal with the death and destruction in their cities?.....NO WAY IN HELL should they be allowed to "go to the well" under these circumstances....screw that......even under these conditions, they CONTINUE to spend recklessly......no need for me to waste time listing......you know the drill.........

You do know though that if states don't get that bailout, il Douche Cuomo will just raise taxes, again

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26 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

You do know though that if states don't get that bailout, il Douche Cuomo will just raise taxes, again

 

 

 

...of course he will....he's already rattling that sabre........but when it happens, albeit income tax, sales tax, property tax, coupled with major cuts, "it's all Trump's fault"....his ongoing gross fiscal ineptitude and mismanagement becomes a NON-ISSUE just like nursing home deaths, what he referred to to deflect criticism as a "shiny object"....yet knowing his deficit, he continues to spend.....latest is $500 million to refurbish I-90 rest stops where you stop to pee and get coffee...500 MIL??....sales tax receipts are cratering as he keeps businesses shutdown.....one of our municipal jobs with a NYS county already has SIX contractor claims against it for non-payment......spec says you must keep working and "work out those details later (paraphrased) or else"...we cannot give them leverage...that County's AP department laughs and will tell you "we know you will all win in Court"......but in the mean time, I have to carry 65 grand in costs relative to my claim.....President Cuomo in 2024.......

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...why should state bailout money go to those fiscally inept BEFORE Covid-19?......why reward gross incompetence?.......

 

 

I don't disagree at all.

 

I just don't consider the situation as a result of gross incompetence.  And i don't consider any funding they get right now a reward.  Attach something about cutting so you somehow....attach or tie it to reopening.  

 

 

Do people (talking directly to team safer at home) not understand how severe the hit to their States budgets are going to be?  Now and come the spring?  Better get on the phone with your union rep and start demanding that they stop advocating policies they think are keeping you healthy when in reality its putting your career or job at risk.  

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Where humans aren’t idiots
 

In New Zealand, Life Is Ordinary Again After 101 Days With No Community Spread

 

Yet some here are convinced this one can solve it on his own.
 

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167,000 dead Americans - thank you Trump voters. These dead Americans appreciate your hand in it.

 

 

less than 5m people, island nation, economy down the pooper..dependent on tourism...when/how do they reopen? 

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7 hours ago, BillStime said:

Ladies and Gents - your POTUS:

 

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In Trump’s defense, he is an idiot.

22 hours ago, bilzfancy said:

bad, if average American Joe Blow can't have a funeral for his mom or dad, then no one should

 

Glad to hear that you can admit when Trump is wrong.

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19 hours ago, GG said:

 

You seem to like getting beaten with a club of facts.   Here's the full transcript of Trump's usual ramblings about a topic on which he has little understanding.  Show me where he advocates ingesting bleach or Lysol

 

 

But since you ignore @BillsFanNC and are still looking at research about injection treatments to "disinfect" the body, here you go Sue

 

Oxford Study

 

Many of the treatments are following the cancer regimen of injecting your body with a type of poison to stop the spread.  Speaking of poison, where's your outrage regarding injecting the Botox poison into the body?

 

Of course, our favorite hoax that was injecting UV light into the body.

 

So as was explained to you a hundred times, Trump overheard all these experimental treatments in the task force discussions, and his inimitable way bungled the explanations.  Of course nowhere in his hamhanded response did he urge people to go out and drink bleach, unlike the health experts who urged people to socialize and have fun in March.

 

 

"And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that."

 

You just presented the evidence. He asked if we could inject disinfectant. 

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"And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that."

 

You just presented the evidence. He asked if we could inject disinfectant. 


At the time, there was news that surface disinfectants could kill the virus. He was clearly suggesting that they look into injecting that into people. It was just ill informed. 
 

The backbending to defend this by comparing it to chemotherapy is silly. It is not the end of the world that he did this. It was just one of his gaffes borne of his world class narcissism that makes him think he’d know more than the scientists and suggest something that is actually pretty moronic. 

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At the time, there was news that surface disinfectants could kill the virus. He was clearly suggesting that they look into injecting that into people. It was just ill informed. 
 

The backbending to defend this by comparing it to chemotherapy is silly. It is not the end of the world that he did this. It was just one of his gaffes borne of his world class narcissism that makes him think he’d know more than the scientists and suggest something that is actually pretty moronic. 

Maybe, but then again supporters of presidents in general defend their guy, or in Hillary’s case, their popular vote presidentress.   
 

One of the prime examples of this was one former president who struggled with the exact number of states in the union. Or that it was impossible to using the international banking system to transfer assets to a hostile regime.  Another would be supporters of current candidate Biden.  
 

It’s just a thing. 

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At the time, there was news that surface disinfectants could kill the virus. He was clearly suggesting that they look into injecting that into people. It was just ill informed. 
 

The backbending to defend this by comparing it to chemotherapy is silly. It is not the end of the world that he did this. It was just one of his gaffes borne of his world class narcissism that makes him think he’d know more than the scientists and suggest something that is actually pretty moronic. 

 

A gaffe is an unforced trivial error.

 

Trump’s comment proved for the umpteenth time that he is an idiot.

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Maybe, but then again supporters of presidents in general defend their guy, or in Hillary’s case, their popular vote presidentress.   
 

One of the prime examples of this was one former president who struggled with the exact number of states in the union. Or that it was impossible to using the international banking system to transfer assets to a hostile regime.  Another would be supporters of current candidate Biden.  
 

It’s just a thing. 

 

Obama and Clinton remarks about other topics don't seem relevant to Trump's remark about Covid in the Covid thread.

 

In other news, I shared information on the TB vaccine earlier and how it might help against Covid-19. And there's the continuing good news on masks lowering viral load and the impact of this on illness (sorry anti-maskers, you can skip this). Both preliminary but the TB correlation seems high and I've had a doctor friend talking about the mask/viral load thing since April (he's an ENT and this has been his concern, ie, his load exposure when he does a head/neck procedures on a Covid patient is much higher). 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

 

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In June, a team of researchers in the US proposed giving a booster dose of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine to people to see if it helps prevent the most severe effects of a coronavirus infections. And last month, researchers found that countries where many people have been given the tuberculosis vaccine Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) had less mortality from coronavirus, a finding that fits with other research suggesting the vaccine can boost people's immunity in general.

 

 

But once you're infected, how much of the virus made it into your body could also have an impact on what your experience is, another expert told CNN Monday.
 
Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at University of California, San Francisco, has been working with a team of researchers to understand how more people could go through their infections with minimal or no symptoms. About 40% of people infected with the virus don't have symptoms, according to an estimate last month by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
 
Gandhi's team found masks make a difference.
 
"What the mask does is really reduce the amount of virus that you get in, if you do get infected," she said. "And by reducing that ... you have a lower dose, you're able to manage it, you're able to have a calm response and you have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all."

 

 
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/swedens-success-kryptonite-lockdown-and-mask-advocates

 

I do a lot of business in Sweden. Not one of my clients and contacts in Sweden has gone to the office since April. And they have natural distancing in the fact that a huge % of the younger pop lives alone. 

 

And it has one of the higher per capita death rates in the world.

 

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So...they did shut down, and they have not had great success. 

 

I looked it up but I have never heard of Andorra.

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Obama and Clinton remarks about other topics don't seem relevant to Trump's remark about Covid in the Covid thread.

 

In other news, I shared information on the TB vaccine earlier and how it might help against Covid-19. And there's the continuing good news on masks lowering viral load and the impact of this on illness (sorry anti-maskers, you can skip this). Both preliminary but the TB correlation seems high and I've had a doctor friend talking about the mask/viral load thing since April (he's an ENT and this has been his concern, ie, his load exposure when he does a head/neck procedures on a Covid patient is much higher). 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

 

 

 

I do a lot of business in Sweden. Not one of my clients and contacts in Sweden has gone to the office since April. And they have natural distancing in the fact that a huge % of the younger pop lives alone. 

 

And it has one of the higher per capita death rates in the world.

 

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So...they did shut down, and they have not had great success. 

 

I looked it up but I have never heard of Andorra.

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so, despite the fact that their own government says they had no mandatory shutdowns and the media has made it their mission to criticize Sweden for their light response to covid, your saying that they did in fact shut down because you know a couple people there?  Got it. 

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2 hours ago, shoshin said:


At the time, there was news that surface disinfectants could kill the virus. He was clearly suggesting that they look into injecting that into people. It was just ill informed. 
 

The backbending to defend this by comparing it to chemotherapy is silly. It is not the end of the world that he did this. It was just one of his gaffes borne of his world class narcissism that makes him think he’d know more than the scientists and suggest something that is actually pretty moronic. 

Except I'm not comparing it to chemotherapy. Im citing studies that have been done by real, actual scientists to encapsulate otherwise toxic drugs, some for chemotherapy, some for other applications including antivirals inside of nanometer sized particles that reduce systemic toxicity. I have never defended what Trump said, it was indeed moronic. However, its less moronic than the media trying to convince morons that he specifically told people to inject bleach. Im shocked that the media would spin a moronic Trump statement to make it seem even more moronic than it actually was. Shocked I tell you.

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so, despite the fact that their own government says they had no mandatory shutdowns and the media has made it their mission to criticize Sweden for their light response to covid, your saying that they did in fact shut down because you know a couple people there?  Got it. 

 

He doesn't know what he is talking about.   He parrots mainstream analysis.

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