SoCal Deek Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Pretty sad that the president has to be told to wear a mask to protect the country he is suppose to work for. What an idiot Actually...not. If the President is repeatedly being tested than the concern would be that the country would infect him, not that he would infect the country...but thanks for your concern. It shows you care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Actually...not. If the President is repeatedly being tested than the concern would be that the country would infect him, not that he would infect the country...but thanks for your concern. It shows you care. No, setting an example when thousands of lives are at state is important. Biden gets it, Trump can’t understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 hours ago, shoshin said: States with highest death tolls since mid May yesterday: CA AZ TX not huge jumps but also not the continued decline. Watch them now to see how high this rise goes. FL and GA started their case spikes a week after those states so their window to watch opens next week if we are watching 2 weeks out...The trailing death window is probably 3-4 weeks from case rise though—2 is just the beginning edge. Florida will finally start reporting statewide hospitalizations this week. Why DeSantis kept that data hidden, who knows. PA Gov Wolf also held back data he had for weeks. The wrong approach. Deaths at Worldometer much higher than this yesterday. CA data came in late as did others. Total over 700. Maybe not as low as hoped yesterday. 15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Yesterday, Tuesday, we appear to have seen the leftover latent reporting from the weekend but with only California registering triple digit Covid deaths. NY reported only 17 deaths and approximately thirty states, again were either in single digits or reported zero fatalities. It’s interesting that even with the recent and now somewhat prolonged spike in new cases across the Southwest the death rate (deaths per million of population) in those states is less than 10% of the overall rate experienced in the NY metro area. I’m guessing the medical profession knows way more about how to treat the virus now than they did then. okay, someone help me out here. CBS News reported this morning 1200 new deaths from yesterday, and both of yall saying not even close. Would really like to smack them over the head and send clip to Ethical Skeptic and Berenson , but want to make sure i have my numbers straight. Can either of you guys help me out here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: okay, someone help me out here. CBS News reported this morning 1200 new deaths from yesterday, and both of yall saying not even close. Would really like to smack them over the head and send clip to Ethical Skeptic and Berenson , but want to make sure i have my numbers straight. Can either of you guys help me out here? The site I’ve been quoting from every day for almost three months now is Worldometer. I had to choose a site early on so that my reporting would be consistent. THAT is the scientific method! I like it because it’s very easy to read and you can even dig deeper than statewide totals for many of the states, where it’ll go as deep as county by county. I hope you find it interesting and informative. And finally, I suggest you don’t bounce around from site to site. There are WAY too many variables and WAY too many agendas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/06/29/retailers-caught-middle-customers-tantrums-masks-mandate/ These people violently opposing wearing earring masks are biological terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, wppete said: Excellent... ...this is a prime example of mission creep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The site I’ve been quoting from every day for almost three months now is Worldometer. I had to choose a site early on so that my reporting would be consistent. THAT is the scientific method! I like it because it’s very easy to read and you can even dig deeper than statewide totals for many of the states, where it’ll go as deep as county by county. I hope you find it interesting and informative. And finally, I suggest you don’t bounce around from site to site. There are WAY too many variables and WAY too many agendas. and that makes sense..but you and @shoshin seem to have been following the detah numbers more than others, and though maybe you guys, and i should include @Magox might have some insight on how they could be so far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: and that makes sense..but you and @shoshin seem to have been following the detah numbers more than others, and though maybe you guys, and i should include @Magox might have some insight on how they could be so far off. There are various reporting methods and more so than anything else the discrepancies lie in two things. The time of the day that the reports that are gathered are concluded. So if lets say as an example that the cutoff that the report is shared by the states for the report to be posted is 6pm est. So the deaths that are reported are up to that cut off point. What Shoshin brought up was that there were more reports that came in after the cut off time of when that death total report came in. That is actually very common, on most days more deaths show up after the reports that we post let's say from COVID Tracking, Nate Silver among others. Those reports simply get counted towards the next days tallies. It all balances out. The other discrepancies lie in that some states do these death data dumps. Where they go back retroactively over a period of time and add in their "probable" COVID deaths to the totals. Those aren't counted in these because you'd have to peg each one to each day. I'm guessing that is what the CBS report did, not sure. As a general rule of thumb, I wouldn't rely on ANY mainstream outlet to get your COVID news. Not only are their reports highly misleading and without any context, but they are dishonest and have no intention to properly inform anyone. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: and that makes sense..but you and @shoshin seem to have been following the detah numbers more than others, and though maybe you guys, and i should include @Magox might have some insight on how they could be so far off. lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: There are various reporting methods and more so than anything else the discrepancies lie in two things. The time of the day that the reports that are gathered are concluded. So if lets say as an example that the cutoff that the report is shared by the states for the report to be posted is 6pm est. So the deaths that are reported are up to that cut off point. What Shoshin brought up was that there were more reports that came in after the cut off time of when that death total report came in. That is actually very common, on most days more deaths show up after the reports that we post let's say from COVID Tracking, Nate Silver among others. Those reports simply get counted towards the next days tallies. It all balances out. The other discrepancies lie in that some states do these death data dumps. Where they go back retroactively over a period of time and add in their "probable" COVID deaths to the totals. Those aren't counted in these because you'd have to peg each one to each day. I'm guessing that is what the CBS report did, not sure. As a general rule of thumb, I wouldn't rely on ANY mainstream outlet to get your COVID news. Not only are their reports highly misleading and without any context, but they are dishonest and have no intention to properly inform anyone. Thank you..and just to clarify, wife had CBS on local to see something she wanted on the program before CBS morning news started. In the background i heard them report that 1200 number just after i had read the numbers on here...and why i want to send to one of the national guys for them to bring attention to it if thay are jacking the numbers by that much to spread fear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Pretty sad that the president has to be told to wear a mask to protect the country he is suppose to work for. What an idiot protect the country ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: protect the country ? Oh ya, saving lives, so funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8478411/US-sparks-global-outrage-buying-nearly-worlds-supply-Gileads-remdesivir.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh ya, saving lives, so funny https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Reality Check said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8478411/US-sparks-global-outrage-buying-nearly-worlds-supply-Gileads-remdesivir.html Without any hint of irony 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 no mention of new cases in Florida below 6k the last 2 days- a drop of almost 40% from the heavily reported 9500 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, Reality Check said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8478411/US-sparks-global-outrage-buying-nearly-worlds-supply-Gileads-remdesivir.html 26 minutes ago, GG said: Without any hint of irony Quote Mr Zahawi told Sky News: 'It's much better to work together than to work to undermine each other, so we'll continue in that spirit.' He said the UK had 'rightly' stockpiled dexamethasone, another accepted treatment for coronavirus, but suggested cooperation rather than competition was the way forward. What is 'right' for me is not 'right' for thee... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 AZ set a new record (by a bunch) today with 88 deaths, along with a new record high in cases. I don't see any reporting that it was a back data dump on deaths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just the last 10 days, more than half the states report official numbers now later in the day to avoid the news cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I know GG thinks the US can't be compared to Europe and he thinks things here are more like India, but here's an interesting comparison: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, shoshin said: I know GG thinks the US can't be compared to Europe and he thinks things here are more like India, but here's an interesting comparison: looks like the US is moving to herd immunity with limited stress on the health care system winning 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, shoshin said: I know GG thinks the US can't be compared to Europe and he thinks things here are more like India, but here's an interesting comparison: Using Paul Krugman and interesting comparison in the same sentence only works when discussing partisan hackery. There is nothing valid about that comparison, other that to reaffirm that Krugman's mind is gone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 56 minutes ago, GG said: Using Paul Krugman and interesting comparison in the same sentence only works when discussing partisan hackery. There is nothing valid about that comparison, other that to reaffirm that Krugman's mind is gone. .......PRIME medium for anything this clown writes......the lipstick on his arse is HIS own........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, GG said: Using Paul Krugman and interesting comparison in the same sentence only works when discussing partisan hackery. There is nothing valid about that comparison, other that to reaffirm that Krugman's mind is gone. The guy who wrote the tweet is irrelevant to the numbers. Look over the tops of your rigid-opinion glasses at the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, shoshin said: The guy who wrote the tweet is irrelevant to the numbers. Look over the tops of your rigid-opinion glasses at the data. The main point still stands. It's stupid to compare places that peaked in April to any place that is hitting its peak now. A beginning stats student would know that, let a lone a stark raving loony Nobel laureate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, shoshin said: The guy who wrote the tweet is irrelevant to the numbers. Look over the tops of your rigid-opinion glasses at the data. i agree if the numbers are correct, the numbers are correct. But as I mentioned this morning, maybe the numbers are not correct. When i googled Arizona Covid to look at varying sources, this was the number one result https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/banner-says-icu-beds-are-approaching-100-capacity Look at the date on that sucker...almost a month ago we were told ICUs in Arizona were at 100% capacity...now it would make sense after a month of exploding cases and increasing illnesses that ICU usage would be stressed beyond compare...but i have not heard nor seen that yet. So yes, sometimes the source needs to be taken into account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, GG said: The main point still stands. It's stupid to compare places that peaked in April to any place that is hitting its peak now. A beginning stats student would know that, let a lone a stark raving loony Nobel laureate. He's comparing populations across time--450M people are having less cases than Arizona and it's 7M due to better management of the disease. Pretty inarguable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 It’s just going to “disappear” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: It’s just going to “disappear” That's some bizzarre-ass magical thinking. 12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i agree if the numbers are correct, the numbers are correct. But as I mentioned this morning, maybe the numbers are not correct. When i googled Arizona Covid to look at varying sources, this was the number one result https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/banner-says-icu-beds-are-approaching-100-capacity Look at the date on that sucker...almost a month ago we were told ICUs in Arizona were at 100% capacity...now it would make sense after a month of exploding cases and increasing illnesses that ICU usage would be stressed beyond compare...but i have not heard nor seen that yet. So yes, sometimes the source needs to be taken into account From that story: Banner Health's chief clinical officer said Friday Banner's Arizona ICUs were nearing 100 percent of licensed capacity, and hospital administrators were preparing to add additional beds to expand ICU capacity by 25 percent. All Arizona hospitals have been mandated by the state government to have surge plans to increase their capacity as much as 50 percent, if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, shoshin said: He's comparing populations across time--450M people are having less cases than Arizona and it's 7M due to better management of the disease. Pretty inarguable. Predictably he's excluding Russia. Now why would a hyperpartisan weasel play with numbers like that? As per above, did H1N1 disappear? Did SARS1 disappear? Edited July 1, 2020 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, shoshin said: That's some bizzarre-ass magical thinking. From that story: Banner Health's chief clinical officer said Friday Banner's Arizona ICUs were nearing 100 percent of licensed capacity, and hospital administrators were preparing to add additional beds to expand ICU capacity by 25 percent. All Arizona hospitals have been mandated by the state government to have surge plans to increase their capacity as much as 50 percent, if necessary. and you know as well as i , if the surge ICU was being maxxed, we would hear about it everywhere. This is what i did find https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/06/29/arizona-coronavirus-update-steady-number-hospitalizations-reported/3278375001/ Quote As of Sunday, 84% of current inpatient beds and 88% of ICU beds were in use for COVID-19 and other patients. now, what that article does not state is is that after surge capacity was added or not? The larger point I was trying to make is we are a good month past when the "media" reported being at 100% cpacity for ICU..a month that saw expomential growth in cases..sometimes it does matter who and how the report is framed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 8 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Thank you..and just to clarify, wife had CBS on local to see something she wanted on the program before CBS morning news started. In the background i heard them report that 1200 number just after i had read the numbers on here...and why i want to send to one of the national guys for them to bring attention to it if thay are jacking the numbers by that much to spread fear. What we were discussing backdated from weeks ago 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 29 minutes ago, BillStime said: ?♂️ IMPEACH!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: IMPEACH!!!!! This calls for an investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Yep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Trend keeps going down Let’s see if it can continue through the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: The larger point I was trying to make is we are a good month past when the "media" reported being at 100% cpacity for ICU..a month that saw expomential growth in cases..sometimes it does matter who and how the report is framed I shared the quote because they added 25% more immediately and maybe as much as 50%. In other news, 24 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Yep. I didn't find incredible when NYC was making up 80% of the deaths, don't find it incredible now. This virus is not hitting everywhere all at once. If it gets traction somewhere, it will boom. That's the way growth of diseases works. 2 hours ago, Magox said: What we were discussing backdated from weeks ago No one except that one report counted those deaths in yesterday's numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 More regarding the COVID hospitalizations that aren’t COVID related. That’s quite amazing 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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