The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Magox]

Perspective

 

Don't let the media fool you with their panic porn.

 

 

 

 

I'm hoping soon they will keep a national database of average age of newly confirmed infected COVID case.

 

This would now be a very important metric to gauge.  Texas and Florida seem to be providing some info on it.    

 

My hunch is that everywhere the average age is plummeting. 

 

[Numark3]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

Perspective

 

Don't let the media fool you with their panic porn.

 

 

 

 

I'm hoping soon they will keep a national database of average age of newly confirmed infected COVID case.

 

This would now be a very important metric to gauge.  Texas and Florida seem to be providing some info on it.    

 

My hunch is that everywhere the average age is plummeting. 

 

your overall point may be true but any graph/numbers that are based on the whole country, and not regions, is useless

[BillStime]

18 minutes ago, Cinga said:

Looks like Israel has found a cure... 

 

https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2020/05/israel-announces-antibody-that-neutralizes-coronavirus-even-amongst-infected/?fbclid=IwAR2fwXBaW2MgzNRyHOWkQJ22L8YrBosFkFbcUmv7khBkxhwr-RapO-JNVc8

 

 

So confident, they have lifted all mobility restrictions in their country now

Finally - Trump can take pride in sharing his COVID intelligence with Israel back in November 2019 - his magnificent foresight finally paid off. ?

 

Meanwhile, 122,067 Americans have died because Trump denied. ?

 

Thank you Trump voters! 

 

 

[Magox]

38 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

your overall point may be true but any graph/numbers that are based on the whole country, and not regions, is useless

I’ve been providing state based data.

 

And they aren’t useless.

[Cinga]

32 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Finally - Trump can take pride in sharing his COVID intelligence with Israel back in November 2019 - his magnificent foresight finally paid off. ?

 

Meanwhile, 122,067 Americans have died because Trump denied. ?

 

Thank you Trump voters! 

 

 

 

Yup, NAZI's used that as well to try and convince. Goebbels is most often crediting with the saying, "repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth"

 

Democrats should be proud of carrying on that work through you on this board, and Pelosi on the Hill with her wrap up smears

[BillStime]

16 minutes ago, Magox said:

I’ve been providing state based data.

 

And they aren’t useless.

Ask @GG

[Numark3]

17 minutes ago, Magox said:

I’ve been providing state based data.

 

And they aren’t useless.

how in the world are total us hospital numbers relevant to anything?  No one is suggesting the entire hospital system is overwhelmed, but specific regions, which wouldn’t show up in total us numbers.  
 

im not saying I disagree with you, but these total hospitalization numbers are dumb

[B-Man]

Bills time — “ but Trump knew in November” 
 

 

 

?

 

 

 

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

Yup, NAZI's used that as well to try and convince. Goebbels is most often crediting with the saying, "repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth"

 

Democrats should be proud of carrying on that work through you on this board, and Pelosi on the Hill with her wrap up smears

Yup - if only Trump shared his intelligence with Governors in November.

[B-Man]

Just now, BillStime said:

Yup - if only Trump shared his intelligence with Governors in November.

 

[Cinga]

Just now, BillStime said:

Yup - if only Trump shared his intelligence with Governors in November.

Again, that still doesn't make your lie the truth, not to the people who can know better

[BillStime]

Just now, B-Man said:

Bills time — “ but Trump knew in November” 
 

 

 

?

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

Nation recovers, NYC won’t.

 

 

 

 

 

[Magox]

Deaths keep marching on its downward path.

 

Some of our ghoulish posters will be disappointed

 

 

[Magox]

5 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

how in the world are total us hospital numbers relevant to anything?  No one is suggesting the entire hospital system is overwhelmed, but specific regions, which wouldn’t show up in total us numbers.  
 

im not saying I disagree with you, but these total hospitalization numbers are dumb

 

It’s a data point.  There is no singular data point that will fully capture what is happening. As we enter into new phases, new means of testing, new therapies etc etc data points that we view evolve.

 

I have posted on just about every relevant data point imaginable, this is simply an overall viewpoint from a few miles up in the sky that gives a panoramic look at hospitalizations.

 

No one claimed it to be the end-all-be-all but it is a good indicator that less people are being hospitalized and going into ICUs in the country.

 

Not sure what you found so offensive about that stat.  Almost as if you were upset to read it.   An odd choice to respond to.

 

In any case,

 

 

 

This indicates two things, That younger people are getting hospitalized and getting discharged and that therapeutics are more effective than before.

 

I would expect this trend to continue.

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

Deaths keep marching on its downward path.

 

Some of our ghoulish posters will be disappointed

 

 

 

Who is this strawman poster who would be against fewer deaths? 

[Magox]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Who is this strawman poster who would be against fewer deaths? 

You are awfully naive

[RiotAct]

14 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Who is this strawman poster who would be against fewer deaths? 

[spartacus]

some thoughts on the accuracy of PCR testing being used by the "experts"

this goes to the fundamentals of the PCR technology on which the tests are based

It does not address the total lack of standards and quality control in manufacturing he various test kits

   

 

 https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/coronavirus-the-truth-about-pcr-test-kit-from-the-inventor-and-other-experts/

·         “Human beings are full of retrovirus. We don’t know if it is hundreds or thousands or hundreds of thousands. We’ve only recently started to look for them. But they’ve never killed anybody before. People have always survived retroviruses.”

 

·         “The first thing to know is that the test is not binary. In fact, I don’t think there are any tests for infectious disease that are positive or negative. What they do is they take some kind of a continuum and they arbitrarily say this point is the difference between positive and negative.”

 

·         “PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome. The problem is the test is known not to work. It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analysed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery. Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.”

Edited June 22, 2020 by spartacus

[shoshin]

18 minutes ago, spartacus said:

some thoughts on the accuracy of PCR testing being used by the "experts"

this goes to the fundamentals of the PCR technology on which the tests are based

It does not address the total lack of standards and quality control in manufacturing he various test kits

   

 

 https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/coronavirus-the-truth-about-pcr-test-kit-from-the-inventor-and-other-experts/

·         “Human beings are full of retrovirus. We don’t know if it is hundreds or thousands or hundreds of thousands. We’ve only recently started to look for them. But they’ve never killed anybody before. People have always survived retroviruses.”

 

·         “The first thing to know is that the test is not binary. In fact, I don’t think there are any tests for infectious disease that are positive or negative. What they do is they take some kind of a continuum and they arbitrarily say this point is the difference between positive and negative.”

 

·         “PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome. The problem is the test is known not to work. It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analysed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery. Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.”

 

Let's see if any of your cadre corrects you on the science. 

 

38 minutes ago, Magox said:

You are awfully naive

 

You don't have to put everything through a political lens before you draw a conclusion. 

 

Never trust a consistent narrative. That's the one with the most fiction and least reality. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by shoshin

[Magox]

7 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Let's see if any of your cadre corrects you on the science. 

 

 

You don't have to put everything through a political lens before you draw a conclusion. 

 

Never trust a consistent narrative. That's the one with the most fiction and least reality. 

 

Like I said, you are naive.  

[Warren Zevon]

#FakeVirus

#CurveIsFlat

#November5thVirusWillBeOver

[Warren Zevon]

[meazza]

3 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Since EU has basically open with almost no restrictions, tell me why they have less overall cases?

[outsidethebox]

Just now, meazza said:

 

Since EU has basically open with almost no restrictions, tell me why they have less overall cases?

I don't think that question is in his Soros playbook, so don't expect an answer.

[Warren Zevon]

17 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

Since EU has basically open with almost no restrictions, tell me why they have less overall cases?

 

Not sure. Interesting comparison that shows the EU has had success combating the virus.

 

There were tons of restrictions throughout the EU, though, as I recall. 

14 minutes ago, outsidethebox said:

I don't think that question is in his Soros playbook, so don't expect an answer.

 

George Soros paid me $500 for this post.

Edited June 22, 2020 by Warren Zevon

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

Wow on data on this.

Edited June 22, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Wow on data on this.

 

 

Been taking Vitamin D since I first started watching Dr. John in early March.  

[Big Blitz]

Deaths declining.  A lot.  I read on Silver's timeline yesterday whoever it is he is following on the virus regarding CFR is ready to lower it from 1 to 0.5 based on the latest data....increasing cases last 2 weeks.  Deaths declining.

 

If in the next 3-4 weeks, deaths and hospitalizations remain stable or decline, the CDC should be changing its guidelines, no?  

 

The CFR will likely drop below 0.5.  There is absolutely zero reason for government mandated capacity, Distancing, etc.  Obvious caution to those over 65.  

 

I'm also done saying comorbidities for those under 60.  They are always at risk.  If the median age of death 1 month from now is still over 70 this pandemic should be over.  Let the virus take its course as it would it is likely weakening if it was anything severe at all.  

 

Why is this wrong?

Edited June 22, 2020 by Big Blitz

[shoshin]

8 hours ago, RiotAct said:

You're not well to joke about this. But you have a nice fan club. No one wants more deaths. It will be great if we have declining deaths And hospitalizations with the rising cases.

[BillsFanNC]

12 hours ago, spartacus said:

some thoughts on the accuracy of PCR testing being used by the "experts"

this goes to the fundamentals of the PCR technology on which the tests are based

It does not address the total lack of standards and quality control in manufacturing he various test kits

   

 

 https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/coronavirus-the-truth-about-pcr-test-kit-from-the-inventor-and-other-experts/

·         “Human beings are full of retrovirus. We don’t know if it is hundreds or thousands or hundreds of thousands. We’ve only recently started to look for them. But they’ve never killed anybody before. People have always survived retroviruses.”

 

·         “The first thing to know is that the test is not binary. In fact, I don’t think there are any tests for infectious disease that are positive or negative. What they do is they take some kind of a continuum and they arbitrarily say this point is the difference between positive and negative.”

 

·         “PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome. The problem is the test is known not to work. It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analysed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery. Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.”

 

This article is complete bunk. Fake news.. Indicating a  total lack of understanding of PCR technology by the author. PCR is indeed a highly sensitive and specific diagnostic technology. It the case of retroviruses it indirectly amplifies viral RNA, that has been first reverse transcribed to cDNA. This is then exponentially amplified by polymerase enzymes and thermocycling. It is highly specific because of, in this case, the unique covid19 short primer sequences that are chosen based on genome sequencing data. PCR is indeed very sensitive to contamination, among the many reasons for this is because purified RNA is highly susceptible to degradation from RNAases (enzymes that degrade RNA) that are all around us. This is why PCR has to be performed by highly trained laboratory scientists in the appropriate environment and why you always perform controls alongside all patient samples that are run. 

 

Edited June 22, 2020 by BillsFanNC

[spartacus]

48 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

This article is complete bunk. Fake news.. Indicating a  total lack of understanding of PCR technology by the author. PCR is indeed a highly sensitive and specific diagnostic technology. It the case of retroviruses it indirectly amplifies viral RNA, that has been first reverse transcribed to cDNA. This is then exponentially amplified by polymerase enzymes and thermocycling. It is highly specific because of, in this case, the unique covid19 short primer sequences that are chosen based on genome sequencing data. PCR is indeed very sensitive to contamination, among the many reasons for this is because purified RNA is highly susceptible to degradation from RNAases (enzymes that degrade RNA) that are all around us. This is why PCR has to be performed by highly trained laboratory scientists in the appropriate environment and why you always perform controls alongside all patient samples that are run. 

 

so the article is complete bunk

yet you confirm that

1. the PCR technique is a manufacturing process to replicate some RNA into millions of particles that are big enough to be tested

(including including any contaminants)

2. then convert the RNA to DNA to test it

3. use highly trained scientists

4. in specially designed labs

5. using control data

 

Based on the rapid ramp up of testing, highly doubtful that much of the controls you mention are being followed religiously

 

You also failed to address the fact that the PCR is not binary

everyone will test positive for some fragment of coronavirus since our body naturally houses them

1. who sets the level which generates a Positive test

2. how consistent is this "number" across all of the testing labs now being used?

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

1 minute ago, spartacus said:

so the article is complete bunk

yet you confirm that

1. the PCR technique is a manufacturing process to replicate some RNA into millions of particles that are big enough to be tested

(including including any contaminants)

2. then convert the RNA to DNA to test it

3. use highly trained scientists

4. in specially designed labs

5. using control data

 

Based on the rapid ramp up of testing, highly doubtful that much of the controls you mention are being followed religiously

 

You also failed to address the fact that the PCR is not binary

everyone will test positive for some fragment of coronavirus since our body naturally houses them

1. who sets the level which generates a Positive test

2. how consistent is this "number" across all of the testing labs now being used?

 

 

 

 

Please stop. This response indicates you do not understand PCR at all. That's OK,  most people who haven't actually performed PCR don't understand it. 

[SoCal Deek]

Yesterday, Sunday, must’ve been a day off in the coroner’s offices across America as only seven states reported even low double digit Covid fatalities. That means 43 states were in single digits with over 20 reporting no deaths at all. Now... cases were still be reporting at significant numbers but not deaths. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a bump in the death toll tomorrow as they account for the weekend. This is BY FAR the lowest number I’ve seen since I started citing these same figures every day for almost two months now.

[Cinga]

I posted a story a few weeks ago about this and here is a new one. THis could also answer the question above as to why the EU has less cases than we do now. The virus was there first, so if this hold true, it not only explains the lower mortality rate here now, but also tells us we will soon have less cases as well... 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/italian-doctor-says-coronavirus-weakening-may-disappear-on-its-own-report

 

Quote

 

An Italian infectious disease doctor believes the coronavirus has become less dangerous — and could disappear on its own without a vaccine.

Dr. Matteo Bassetti, the head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital, said the virus appears to have become less potent, possibly due to genetic mutations, the Sunday Telegraph reported.

“The clinical impression I have is that the virus is changing in severity,” Bassetti told the outlet.

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

If anyone is interested, here is a good short video that explains RT-PCR for covid19. It doesn't get bogged down in nitty gritty details, but gives a high level view of what is going on.

 

 

[Magox]

37 minutes ago, Cinga said:

I posted a story a few weeks ago about this and here is a new one. THis could also answer the question above as to why the EU has less cases than we do now. The virus was there first, so if this hold true, it not only explains the lower mortality rate here now, but also tells us we will soon have less cases as well... 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/italian-doctor-says-coronavirus-weakening-may-disappear-on-its-own-report

 

 

 

I've heard a few infectious disease experts from Europe saying the same thing.   Seems implausible but who knows?

5 hours ago, shoshin said:

You're not well to joke about this. But you have a nice fan club. No one wants more deaths. It will be great if we have declining deaths And hospitalizations with the rising cases.

 

Just to be clear, I wasn't referencing you.

[Cinga]

6 minutes ago, Magox said:

I've heard a few infectious disease experts from Europe saying the same thing.   Seems implausible but who knows?

Not sure why it might be implausible myself. Both MERs and SARs were also coronaviruses that also just disappeared after time. A bit longer, 1 to 2 years, but I've seen nothing to suggest this one wouldn't do the same thing.

[BillsFanNC]

14 minutes ago, Cinga said:

Not sure why it might be implausible myself. Both MERs and SARs were also coronaviruses that also just disappeared after time. A bit longer, 1 to 2 years, but I've seen nothing to suggest this one wouldn't do the same thing.

 

Here's a great overview of what is going on with respect to previous coronavirus outbreaks compared to covid19.

 

 

[Magox]

17 minutes ago, Cinga said:

Not sure why it might be implausible myself. Both MERs and SARs were also coronaviruses that also just disappeared after time. A bit longer, 1 to 2 years, but I've seen nothing to suggest this one wouldn't do the same thing.

 

I hope you're right.