The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[RiotAct]

Hey everyone!  How’s subsistence treating ya?

[B-Man]

42 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

 

 

Like the people protesting in Michigan, with signs that say Arbeit Macht Frei, because their governor is Jewish.

 

 

 

 

 

The horrendous use of the "labor" slogan by some of the protesters is rightly being condemned by everyone.

 

However, I note that like all lefties, you can't help stretching the truth.

 

Gretchen Whitmer is Christian, not Jewish.

 

But hey, that helps the narrative right ?

 

 

 

http://cqrcengage.com/f2c/app/candidate/85590;jsessionid=d43lt8a41cot1vabqf0wmlr7h

 

https://ballotpedia.org/Gretchen_Whitmer

 

 

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by B-Man

[keepthefaith]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Hillary was the big government overlord candidate though. Every policy she pushed in 2016 was designed around that central theme. From expanding the powers of the IC over the people, to expanding our military footprint in several additional theaters, to supporting prog-fascism in all its glory -- this was always where she wanted to go. 

 

Because she's not the puppet master. She's another puppet.

Not to mention her push for universal health care on and off for decades. 

 

Nearly everyone in Washington is big government, both parties.  They just differ on what to spend on what.  The federal government more than ever before needs right-sizing.  Not likely to happen though. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Hey everyone!  How’s subsistence treating ya?

 

Not happening over here.  My life has changed very very little the past few months and I'm not operating anywhere near a minimum life style. 

Edited May 2, 2020 by keepthefaith

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

Because no one can stay home all of the time.

 

Went for a walk to check out the neighborhood. About a 1/4 of the people were not wearing masks. Another 10% are wearing masks around their necks. They're stupid enough to be posting some of the nonsense here.

 

I don't care who goes outside where, but if you're selfish enough to put others at risk by going out without protection in NYC, you're scum.

 

Like the people protesting in Michigan, with signs that say Arbeit Macht Frei, because their governor is Jewish. Trump calls them good people. You're backing a real POS.

 

Here's your solution. When you venture out from your basement to walk around your neighborhood, you won't have to worry about other people wearing masks.

 

And so apropos for you....

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

https://va.news-republic.com/a/6822309092476846598?app_id=1239&c=tw&gid=6822309092476846598&impr_id=6822343491844622598&language=en&region=gb&user_id=6796786536089650182

 

COVID-19 Doctors Finally Understand the Reason Behind Coronavirus' Deadly Blood Clots

Tech Times

May 2, 2020 2:03 PM

The novel coronavirus infection attacks the body of each patient differently with an onslaught of various complications that could be deadly if not treated. Among the complications they have seen among COVID-19 patients were neurological symptoms, including confusion and seizure, and an increase of young infected patients also developed stroke symptoms.

(Photo : Lutz Dieckmann from Pixabay)

Researchers found that COVID-19 infection may cause blood clotting in severely ill patients.

Unfortunately, this "weird" complication is also the deadliest as experts believe the SARS-CoV-2 virus is capable of creating tiny blood clots that can block arteries and even reach the brain.

COVID-19 Causes Tiny Blood Clots

According to a report by BGR, experts found out that the virus can cause blood coagulation and could create tiny blood clots that form in the lungs first--and now, medical doctors finally understand how it happens.

In a study penned by doctors from the St. James's Hospital, Irish Center for Vascular Biology, Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, the researchers found that abnormal blood clotting is one of the causes of death of many coronavirus patients that were severely infected with the virus.

They have also found out that these tiny clots start in the lungs following the infection and that the higher the clotting, the worse the prognosis.

Most cases with worse prognosis also tend to require intensive care.

The study, which was published in the British Journal of Haematology, has already been peer-reviewed.

Reason Behind High Levels of Mortality

"Our novel findings demonstrate that COVID-19 is associated with a unique type of blood clotting disorder that is primarily focussed within the lungs and which undoubtedly contributes to the high levels of mortality being seen in patients with COVID-19," said Professor James O'Donnell, the director of the Irish Centre for Vascular Biology, RCSI.

The disorder is known as pulmonary intravascular coagulopathy (PIC).

It is different from disseminated intravascular coagulopathy (DIC) that is observed in various other medical conditions.

The disorder might be responsible for the blood clots reaching the heart or the brain of the patients, which could then lead to heart attacks or stroke that could be deadly to those with severe complications.

PIC May Also Cause Oxygenation Issues

In addition, Professor O'Donnell said that in addition to pneumonia that affects the small air sacs within the lungs, they have also found hundreds of the tiny clots in the lungs of severely ill coronavirus patients--something they haven't seen in other respiratory infections.

The disorder could explain why "blood oxygen levels fall dramatically in severe COVID-19 infection," leading to the need for ventilator and oxygenation therapy.

 

Note younger people getting blood clots as well Lungs, strokes among others). Not just those with severe complications. Finding in lots of people. Makes sense people on ventilator( those are horrible shape).  This is horrible news. Makes sense people go back to hospital cause blood clots from covid19 40%. 

 

Republican news source for people here..

Edited May 2, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[GG]

3 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

That's logic.

 

Logic is frowned upon.

 

You mean like frowning on the Hasid community for being out and about at a funeral?

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

Like the people protesting in Michigan, with signs that say Arbeit Macht Frei, because their governor is Jewish. Trump calls them good people. You're backing a real POS.

 

She’s Jewish?

 

I’m sensing a pattern.

[Hedge]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks Hedge

 

That table is from the CDC site I’m always quoting. Can you also show everyone the table that breaks the pandemic down by age?  It’s equally revealing. 

 

Sourced from: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data

 

[Hedge]

Oregon governor extends lockdown until July 6th

 

Quote

Executive Order 20-24

 

 

 

 

Office of the Governor
State of Oregon
 

EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 20-24 

 

EXTENDING THE COVID-19 DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY (EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 20-03) FOR AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS, THROUGH JULY 6, 2020 

 

Executive Order 20-03, declaring a state of emergency due to the COVID-19 outbreak in Oregon, was issued on March 8, 2020, and declared a statewide emergency for 60 days, through May 7, 2020. 

 

Pursuant to ORS 401.165 and ORS 401.204, I find that the novel infectious coronavirus (COVID-19) continues to threaten public health and safety, and remains a statewide emergency under ORS 401.025. Accordingly, I am extending the state of emergency for an additional 60 days, through July 6, 2020. Executive Order 20-03 shall remain in effect through July 6, 2020, unless extended or terminated earlier by the Governor. 

 

Done at Salem, Oregon, this 1^st day of May, 2020. 

 

 

________________________________________________

Kate Brown

GOVERNOR

 

[meazza]

Wow that’s batshit insane.  

[GG]

Yes, Oregon was the spear tip of the break out.

 

These people are nuts.

[dubs]

3 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Because no one can stay home all of the time.

 

Went for a walk to check out the neighborhood. About a 1/4 of the people were not wearing masks. Another 10% are wearing masks around their necks. They're stupid enough to be posting some of the nonsense here.

 

I don't care who goes outside where, but if you're selfish enough to put others at risk by going out without protection in NYC, you're scum.

 

Like the people protesting in Michigan, with signs that say Arbeit Macht Frei, because their governor is Jewish. Trump calls them good people. You're backing a real POS.

you really should not go out you thoughtless germ spreader. 

[Chef Jim]

4 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Like the people protesting in Michigan, with signs that say Arbeit Macht Frei, because their governor is Jewish. Trump calls them good people. You're backing a real POS.

How many signs were there that said Arbeit Macht Frei?  

[fansince88]

20 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

WOW, we're going to keep repeating this lie huh.

 

 

 

 

Here is the link that Billztime Billstime provided when asked for proof of the 13 states.

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

It (of course) does not say any such thing.

 

The closest it came was showing that the daily new case rate had gone up 3 days in a row for the U.S

 

But ask a liar a question and you get a lie.

 

It's why I don't bother most of the time.

 

 

 

 

Only thing you need to classify as a liar is if you lie. Agreed

[fansince88]

4 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Because no one can stay home all of the time.

 

Went for a walk to check out the neighborhood. About a 1/4 of the people were not wearing masks. Another 10% are wearing masks around their necks. They're stupid enough to be posting some of the nonsense here.

 

I don't care who goes outside where, but if you're selfish enough to put others at risk by going out without protection in NYC, you're scum.

 

Like the people protesting in Michigan, with signs that say Arbeit Macht Frei, because their governor is Jewish. Trump calls them good people. You're backing a real POS.

I agree. I hate going into NYC without my .45 but that darn city wont let me cross the bridges with it even though I went through all the federal background check for my handgun permit

[Magox]

2 hours ago, Hedge said:

Oregon governor extends lockdown until July 6th

 

 

WTF??
 

They only have 109 deaths related to COVID And one of the lowest deaths per capita rates in the nation.

 

What is she trying to do?  That cannot stand.  

 

 

[meazza]

15 minutes ago, Magox said:

WTF??
 

They only have 109 deaths related to COVID And one of the lowest deaths per capita rates in the nation.

 

What is she trying to do?  That cannot stand.  

 

 

Some of these governors really don’t want to be re-elected.

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Because no one can stay home all of the time.

 

Went for a walk to check out the neighborhood. About a 1/4 of the people were not wearing masks. Another 10% are wearing masks around their necks. They're stupid enough to be posting some of the nonsense here.

 

I don't care who goes outside where, but if you're selfish enough to put others at risk by going out without protection in NYC, you're scum.

 

Like the people protesting in Michigan, with signs that say Arbeit Macht Frei, because their governor is Jewish. Trump calls them good people. You're backing a real POS.

That was an Illinois protester as their governor is Jewish.  I don't believe Whitmer is.  Disgusting none the less but you can't take one idiot and apply that to every protester.

 

If states start demanding people go back to work while the deaths are still this high you're going to see even more protests.

[shoshin]

23 minutes ago, Magox said:

WTF??
 

They only have 109 deaths related to COVID And one of the lowest deaths per capita rates in the nation.

 

What is she trying to do?  That cannot stand.  

 

 

The way the poster characterized what the governor did is not accurate. She extended the state of emergency. Oregon is starting to open May 15 and she is talking openly about her plan to reopen. 

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, meazza said:

Some of these governors really don’t want to be re-elected.

That’s the crazy thing. They think this will get them re-elected. 

[Doc Brown]

21 minutes ago, Magox said:

WTF??
 

They only have 109 deaths related to COVID And one of the lowest deaths per capita rates in the nation.

 

What is she trying to do?  That cannot stand.  

They're slowly reopening in the middle of May.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

That’s the crazy thing. They think this will get them re-elected. 

She's been widely praised for the early lockdown measures because of the number of low covid 19 deaths in Oregon relative to other states.

[Boatdrinks]

20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

That was an Illinois protester as their governor is Jewish.  I don't believe Whitmer is.  Disgusting none the less but you can't take one idiot and apply that to every protester.

 

If states start demanding people go back to work while the deaths are still this high you're going to see even more protests.

States will simply be allowing businesses to reopen. A State will not demand that any individual return to work unless they actually work in State government. Any employee has the freedom to either continue working at a particular business ( provided the business still exists) or to find work they consider more suitable. 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

States will simply be allowing businesses to reopen. A State will not demand that any individual return to work unless they actually work in State government. Any employee has the freedom to either continue working at a particular business ( provided the business still exists) or to find work they consider more suitable. 

True but the state can take their unemployment benefits away if they refuse to return to work because it would be considered a voluntary quit.

[keepthefaith]

19 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

True but the state can take their unemployment benefits away if they refuse to return to work because it would be considered a voluntary quit.

 

In Illinois all power to the employee. Employers are treated like dirt by the ILDES.  Actually dirt is treated better. 

[Boatdrinks]

25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

True but the state can take their unemployment benefits away if they refuse to return to work because it would be considered a voluntary quit.

Correct. Why should someone continue to receive unemployment if they voluntarily quit their job ? Most of the new unemployment claims of the last month or two were only filed because businesses were told they could not operate. So an employee deciding not to go back to a job that is waiting for them is absolutely a voluntary quit. 

[dubs]

When this is all said and done, what’s the death rate going to be, 0.2% - 0.6%?  Is a complete collapse of our way of life and surrendering basic rights worth avoiding that risk? 
 

I get that at first we needed to pause and see what we were dealing with, but that time has long passed. It’s well past the time people need to start making decisions for themselves based on their own circumstances and risk factors. Not let bozos in the state houses, mayor mansions, and county executives tell everyone what they can and cannot do.

[meazza]

28 minutes ago, dubs said:

When this is all said and done, what’s the death rate going to be, 0.2% - 0.6%?  Is a complete collapse of our way of life and surrendering basic rights worth avoiding that risk? 
 

I get that at first we needed to pause and see what we were dealing with, but that time has long passed. It’s well past the time people need to start making decisions for themselves based on their own circumstances and risk factors. Not let bozos in the state houses, mayor mansions, and county executives tell everyone what they can and cannot do.

0.4. Our health minister says we have roughly 250,000 cases (based on the serology tests from other areas) and there are approximately 1300 deaths so that must be the death rate.

Edited May 3, 2020 by meazza

[Justice]

49 minutes ago, dubs said:

When this is all said and done, what’s the death rate going to be, 0.2% - 0.6%?  Is a complete collapse of our way of life and surrendering basic rights worth avoiding that risk? 
 

I get that at first we needed to pause and see what we were dealing with, but that time has long passed. It’s well past the time people need to start making decisions for themselves based on their own circumstances and risk factors. Not let bozos in the state houses, mayor mansions, and county executives tell everyone what they can and cannot do.

I hate the idea of opening back up, but I realize it’s necessary. We have no choice. My only issue is the numbers. Our numbers are based on a lockdown and there’s no real way of knowing what those numbers will be once we reopen.

I’m hesitant to believe the projections, because everyone has been wrong about this virus from the start and all throughout. In the end herd immunity is the only way to survive, though. It’ll be tough, but humans have survived far worse and we’re still here. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Correct. Why should someone continue to receive unemployment if they voluntarily quit their job ? Most of the new unemployment claims of the last month or two were only filed because businesses were told they could not operate. So an employee deciding not to go back to a job that is waiting for them is absolutely a voluntary quit. 

I'm just wondering the legality of it if the employee feels the job is unsafe to return because of the coronavirus.  What kind of protections do employers have?  Can employees sue the employer if they contract the virus after returning to work?  Can family members of a dead employee sue the employer who returned to work?

[B-Man]

Gov. Brown Extends Oregon COVID-19 State of Emergency to July 6

by Alex Zielinski • May 2, 2020 at 11:00 am

 

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown quietly extended Oregon's coronavirus state of emergency by two months Friday.

Brown's original emergency declaration, signed March 8, was set to expire on May 7. On Friday, she signed an executive order renewing that declaration and setting a new end date of July 6.

The extension allows Brown's many executive orders linked to COVID-19, such as rules around large gatherings, business closures, and eviction prohibitions, to remain in place for another 60 days. Brown is able to extend or terminate this emergency declaration at any point.

Brown penned the extension a day before a planned rally outside the Oregon Capitol in Salem, where protesters are currently decrying Brown's decisions to temporarily shutter parts of the state's economy to slow the spread of COVID-19.

 

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2020/05/02/28372972/gov-brown-extends-oregon-covid-19-state-of-emergency-to-july-6

 

 

 

 

Gov. Kate Brown extends Oregon coronavirus state of emergency to July 6

Today 11:36 AM

 

By Kale Williams | The Oregonian/OregonLive

Gov. Kate Brown signed an executive order Friday extending Oregon’s state of emergency to July 6 in response to the coronavirus outbreak.

The move comes roughly two months after the original declaration was signed March 8. It was set to expire May 7.

The new executive order gives the governor the legal authority to maintain the orders she’s issued thus far — including the stay-home order, a moratorium on residential and commercial evictions and other financial stimulus measures — and issue new ones as she sees fit, said Charles Boyle, a spokesman for the governor’s office.

“Extending the state of emergency declaration allows those orders to stay in effect, however the Governor can still lift her orders as the COVID-19 situation warrants, as she did with her order delaying non-urgent medical procedures,” Boyle wrote in an email. “Our efforts to move forward with safely reopening Oregon will be gradual, incremental, and based on science and data.”

The new order extends the state of emergency for 60 days, but also allows Brown to terminate it earlier than that if deemed appropriate.

 

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/05/gov-kate-brown-extends-oregon-coronavirus-state-of-emergency-to-july-6.html

 

 

I see nothing of "but they are loosening in the middle of May"

 

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by B-Man

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm just wondering the legality of it if the employee feels the job is unsafe to return because of the coronavirus.  What kind of protections do employers have?  Can employees sue the employer if they contract the virus after returning to work?  Can family members of a dead employee sue the employer who returned to work?

From a legal standpoint, I heard a prominent Buffalo attorney state that proving where someone contracted a virus would be extremely difficult. ( I believe he was asked a similar question to yours)  Now, if an employee feels a job is not safe enough for them is a personal decision. No different than say, deciding not to take a job that involves working with high voltage power lines, or working in a hospital , or becoming a Cop. It’s not a valid reason for unemployment. Viruses are part of the world at large. If someone just can’t deal with the existence of a virus , they might be able to get disability for mental reasons. Not unemployment, though. 

[Kemp]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm just wondering the legality of it if the employee feels the job is unsafe to return because of the coronavirus.  What kind of protections do employers have?  Can employees sue the employer if they contract the virus after returning to work?  Can family members of a dead employee sue the employer who returned to work?

 

Anyone can sue anyone. No one knows for sure the outcomes of these types of lawsuits.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

I know most of you won't take this seriously because of your flawed weatherman logic. "Look at the source! They got _________ wrong!"

 

82 Administration officials, outside advisers and other experts with direct knowledge of the White House's handling of the pandemic seems pretty hard to completely dismiss.

 

 

So many issues, but too many of you will just dismiss the reporting as baseless...

 

But...

 

I will ask this of the folks over here based on your wild mistrust of MSM, which I recently learned from you is "mainstream media:"

 

Why the ***** do you so adamantly back a President who has Fox News hosts like Laura Ingraham to the White House late at night with her own handpicked guests in tow to push controversial drugs like hydroxychloroquine, which has, at the VERY least, been found to be significantly more dangerous than the President's initial "what do you have to lose?" attitude in terms of trying it.

 

There's just way too much cognitive dissonance over here in the extreme mistrust of mainstream media while Donald Trump uses some of its most controversial, narcissistic and frankly idiotic members (Hannity) as some of his closest advisers to ultimately guide his own policy, which has VERY clearly been happening for years now, just as it continued immediately after his late night White House visit from Ingraham.

Edited May 3, 2020 by transplantbillsfan

[shoshin]

7 hours ago, dubs said:

When this is all said and done, what’s the death rate going to be, 0.2% - 0.6%?  Is a complete collapse of our way of life and surrendering basic rights worth avoiding that risk? 
 

I get that at first we needed to pause and see what we were dealing with, but that time has long passed. It’s well past the time people need to start making decisions for themselves based on their own circumstances and risk factors. Not let bozos in the state houses, mayor mansions, and county executives tell everyone what they can and cannot do.

 

The overall death rate is maybe the wrong stat to focus on. Hospitalization usage affects us all and death rate among older and at risk people are the concerning numbers to manage. 

Edited May 3, 2020 by shoshin

[shoshin]

 

Good Covid model summary here on death projections through May 23 showing mid 90K dead with number still climbing. The reopening will drive up June numbers faster than we climbed before ( we started with many fewer cases on March 1). 

 

Peak average deaths haven't declined noticeably yet. I expect there will be a slow decline than an increase through the summer rising into the fall. 

Edited May 3, 2020 by shoshin

[Reality Check]

20 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

The overall death rate is maybe the wrong stat to focus on. Hospitalization usage affects us all and death rate among older and at risk people are the concerning numbers to manage. 

What concerns me the most are the increased sounds of ambulance sirens in my rural town. I talked with an EMT friend and we lost a number of seniors due to lack of "elective" surgeries that they were waiting on, and one that could not receive their cancer treatments. These are retirees with bought and paid for medical coverage who died unnecessarily. We must make a distinction between being swabbed for evidence of RNA in the sinus and those that are actually ill from it. When the dust settles, I feel like we will learn a great deal more about how to strengthen our immune systems through lifestyle and dietary changes.

[shoshin]

Just now, Reality Check said:

What concerns me the most are the increased sounds of ambulance sirens in my rural town. I talked with an EMT friend and we lost a number of seniors due to lack of "elective" surgeries that they were waiting on, and one that could not receive their cancer treatments. These are retirees with bought and paid for medical coverage who died unnecessarily. We must make a distinction between being swabbed for evidence of RNA in the sinus and those that are actually ill from it. When the dust settles, I feel like we will learn a great deal more about how to strengthen our immune systems through lifestyle and dietary changes.

 

Given how this disproportionately affects people who are obese, diabetic, or have hypertension, we have a good line already on how lifestyle matters. Not all of those conditions are brought on by lifestyle but many are. 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

The overall death rate is maybe the wrong stat to focus on. Hospitalization usage affects us all and death rate among older and at risk people are the concerning numbers to manage. 

Why?

[Kemp]

1 hour ago, Reality Check said:

What concerns me the most are the increased sounds of ambulance sirens in my rural town. I talked with an EMT friend and we lost a number of seniors due to lack of "elective" surgeries that they were waiting on, and one that could not receive their cancer treatments. These are retirees with bought and paid for medical coverage who died unnecessarily. We must make a distinction between being swabbed for evidence of RNA in the sinus and those that are actually ill from it. When the dust settles, I feel like we will learn a great deal more about how to strengthen our immune systems through lifestyle and dietary changes.

 

Which kinds of elective surgeries, if not performed, lead to death?

 

I know 3 people currently undergoing cancer treatments at Sloan-Kettering in NYC. None of them has had an appointment postponed, so it's tough for me to believe patients are missing treatments unless patients are too scared to go.

[shoshin]

13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Why?

 

Do you think we should not try to minimize deaths of the group of people most affected by this?

 

We have two groups of people in the US right now: (1) Those that will not be affected by this almost at all or will just get an illness they can manage with OTC meds, and (2) Those that will end up in the hospital and/or die. Group 1 >> Group 2.

 

We need to let the people in (1) get back to work in a reasonable way that minimizes spread to the people in group (2), and for those in group (2), we need to take better care of them. 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by shoshin

[Kemp]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

Do you think we should not try to minimize deaths of the group of people most affected by this?

 

We have two groups of people in the US right now: (1) Those that will not be affected by this almost at all or will just get an illness they can manage with OTC meds, and (2) Those that will end up in the hospital and die. We need to let the people in (1) get back to work in a reasonable way to minimize spread to the people in group (2), and for those in group (2), we need to take better care of them. 

 

 

 

 

 

There's at least a 3rd group. Some young people are having strokes and blood clots even if they didn't have a serious case. It appears that the circulatory system is a target of the virus.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/