The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[shoshin]

Spain is a long ways from out of this but is allowing some businesses to reopen on Monday. They are harder hit than Italy and currently are number two in deaths in Europe  (we will take the number one spot today from Italy in the world and hold it for a long time). 
 

I expect their second wave to be a disaster. 

Edited April 11, 2020 by shoshin

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I blame the parents. When kids were no longer allowed to take their chances with jarts, things went downhill fast.

 

I was on the wrong side of the old “You’ll put your eye out” when I was a young man. Wrong place, wrong time.  ***** happens sometimes...though being completely honest, I was a bit over the top with my own children.  Had nothing to do with my own dealio , much more to do with my own generalized anxiety that BAD stuff can happen coupled with a spouse who felt the same.   I’d knock it back 15-20% if I could do it again, and have shared that with my awesome adult-aged children who seem none the worse for wear. 

 

Jarts is Thunderdome BG.  Crazy talk!!

27 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I blame the generalized demasculinization of our society. But yes, jarts too.

Jarts...you people are Tiger King without the prison time! (Presumably) ?

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, shoshin said:

You don’t think we got our right assemble back after the Spanish Flu? And back then there were —mandatory— vaccinations. Now people are proud (and stupid) of not getting vaccinated. 
 

During times of war and pandemic, constitutional rights have been abridged before. Like now with the right to assemble. And there are other examples. Not to mention the everyday ones mentioned already where constitutional rights collide (yelling fire in a movie theater). 

 

This is bad enough without the histrionics about millions dead, bodies in the streets, and the start of a Brave New World/1984 police state. Let’s call the bull#### when we see it and fight back of it gets extended too far. 
 

Right now we need to control this disease To some extent and get back to work as soon as possible without risking another shutdown if/when the big case wave comes after this little wave dies down.

 

 

 

Times have changed. To put it simply, back a century ago there was no group promoting 57 genders, taxpayer funded sex changes and hatred for white males. Nobody was promoting changing our voting procedures in order to harvest ballots or having the government make special payments to the media. In 1918 no one said we have to politically take advantage of every crisis. The Left has tried to take advantage every point along the way by trying to hold every reasonable solution hostage to their partisan demands. Extra funding for the Kennedy Center, changing voting laws and including new emission standards for airlines in order to pass a purely emergency bill is horseshit. The dems MO is to slip the camel's nose under the tent and before the rest of us know it they've got a camel toe in your bed. 

[SoCal Deek]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I blame the parents. When kids were no longer allowed to take their chances with jarts, things went downhill fast.

 

True story: While playing jarts in the backyard one got away and was thrown into our doughboy pool. Yep...bullseye, right through the liner. My dad sent my brother and me down with waterproof tape to patch the hole. We got it done and that patch lasted for years! 

[3rdnlng]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

"demasculinization" as in feminine? Buddy, until you push a 10 pound spawn out your hoo-ha, you don't know toughness, pain, and suffering. Men should be so strong.

Let's just settle on people today are comfortable, spoiled, and seldom taught/learn history.

 

Some of the toughest people I've known are females. About an equal number are males. While childbirth must certainly be painful I've been told by a couple of females that they'd choose pushing that 10 pound spawn out rather than that nearly invisible kidney stone. Well, maybe they didn't say 10 pounds. 

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

True story: While playing jarts in the backyard one got away and was thrown into our doughboy pool. Yep...bullseye, right through the liner. My dad sent my brother and me down with waterproof tape to patch the hole. We got it done and that patch lasted for years! 

If I've heard that story once I've heard it 20 times. It's just a way to get around the lawn watering restrictions in Southern California. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Times have changed. To put it simply, back a century ago there was no group promoting 57 genders, taxpayer funded sex changes and hatred for white males. Nobody was promoting changing our voting procedures in order to harvest ballots or having the government make special payments to the media. In 1918 no one said we have to politically take advantage of every crisis. The Left has tried to take advantage every point along the way by trying to hold every reasonable solution hostage to their partisan demands. Extra funding for the Kennedy Center, changing voting laws and including new emission standards for airlines in order to pass a purely emergency bill is horseshit. The dems MO is to slip the camel's nose under the tent and before the rest of us know it they've got a camel toe in your bed. 

I’m probably a bit less concerned about the extremes, but when you add in “citizens must show papers” (think O’Hare airport lines), while it’s a ***** free for all at the southern border and “how dare you ask for papers in that case!” coupled with “people shouldn’t need papers to vote”, it’s relatively easy to see that the tail wags the dog.  
 

and don’t be closed-minded, there are no genders and the number of genders is infinite depending on #yourtruth. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

The whole testing clap trap is a waste of breath. Since the virus doesn’t present itself until you’re already well infected and have therefore spread it to DOZENS of other people around you, testing is a nice statistic but does literally nothing to stop the spread. That is unless the government is ready to take people who test positive away in a van and lock them up in a containment camp! However here, Trump even mentioned in passing, locking down NYC and the media went apesh&t nuts!  

Locking down NYC, and only NYC is one thing I can get on board with. 

[Bockeye]

Feinstein trying to send $5B in aid to Iran

 

Was unsure where to post this as I had an aneurysm.  
 

I just cannot fathom how someone could vote for her, accept her as part of their party, believe she has the best interests of America. 
 

 

[shoshin]

31 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Locking down NYC, and only NYC is one thing I can get on board with. 

 

NYC and northern NJ remain 50% of our deaths almost every day. It's shocking. Even as some city cases rise, nothing will likely come close to NY. 

[Nanker]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

True story: While playing jarts in the backyard one got away and was thrown into our doughboy pool. Yep...bullseye, right through the liner. My dad sent my brother and me down with waterproof tape to patch the hole. We got it done and that patch lasted for years! 

 

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

Spain is a long ways from out of this but is allowing some businesses to reopen on Monday. They are harder hit than Italy and currently are number two in deaths in Europe  (we will take the number one spot today from Italy in the world and hold it for a long time). 
 

I expect their second wave to be a disaster. 

  In terms of being world leaders it was all downhill for Spain once the Armada met Drake in 1588.

[RochesterRob]

57 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Locking down NYC, and only NYC is one thing I can get on board with. 

  The problem is only one guy gets to make that call and you know that he is going to blow it.

[fansince88]

15 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

He is pure garbage.  The question if asked without the "happy talk" comment would have at least been relevant.

Who was the one that decided the prayer in the Whitehouse  was a great time to ask a dumb " what is your thoughts" question? Come on people!

14 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Don't know if been posted but this is wonderful from President Trump

 

At the end of this?

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

NYC and northern NJ remain 50% of our deaths almost every day. It's shocking. Even as some city cases rise, nothing will likely come close to NY. 

I wonder if the polution they breathe every day has an impact in mortality rates?

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

NYC and northern NJ remain 50% of our deaths almost every day. It's shocking. Even as some city cases rise, nothing will likely come close to NY. 

I wonder if the polution they breathe every day has an impact in mortality rates?

[GG]

14 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

 

I wonder if the polution they breathe every day has an impact in mortality rates?

 

Probably close to zero effect.  If that were the case you'd see fairly uniform numbers across the city.  But the infection rates and mortality vary greatly by zip code.  BTW, if people think that density is the main issue in NYC, that doesn't explain Nassau, Suffolk & Westchester counties.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Brian doesn't think, Adam. He's a paid parrot, no thinking required. 

[B-Man]

 

THE PANDEMIC: WHERE WE STAND NOW

By John Hindraker

 

The Wuhan virus appears to be peaking, both globally and in the U.S. The much-maligned University of Washington IHME model says that U.S. deaths should have peaked today, and are expected to decline hereafter. Given that model’s track record, no one is taking it to the bank. But it is an opportune moment to see where we stand today, in terms of fatalities, in the context of other diseases.

 

I have posted this chart, now updated with today’s numbers, several times before. It is simple: it shows, from left to right, the average number of annual deaths attributed to the seasonal flu, worldwide, according to the World Health Organization; the number of global COVID-19 deaths to date, per the same organization; the number of deaths attributed to seasonal flu in the U.S. two years ago, the 2017-2018 season; and U.S. COVID-19 deaths to date.

 

Click to enlarge:

 

Worldwide, the COVID-19 fatalities add up to just under 20% of an average flu season. In the U.S., COVID-19 fatalities to date are 26% of the number that we suffered just two flu seasons ago. I am not sure why these numbers are not more widely known. They seem relevant to me.

 

Crudely speaking, if we assume that the U.S. is around 50% of the way through the COVID-19 epidemic, we might expect something like 33,000 fatalities, equal to an average seasonal flu year. An inevitable second round of infections after our governments finally let people go back to work, and out in public, may raise that number, but no one I know of has tried to guess to what extent. Still, any way you look at it, it is hard to see how COVID-19 deaths will exceed the flu fatalities we experienced two years ago. And that was barely a news story.

 

A final thought: What will happen when the catastrophic shutdown orders under which most of us have been living are finally lifted, in May or June? Since sheltering in place was only intended to delay the virus’s spread, not to prevent it, we should assume that COVID infection and death numbers will rise dramatically. But what if they don’t? Won’t that be strong evidence that the states’ extreme shutdown measures were not needed in the first place? Don’t expect any politicians to make the point, but I think the answer is Yes.

 

 

 

 

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[fansince88]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Probably close to zero effect.  If that were the case you'd see fairly uniform numbers across the city.  But the infection rates and mortality vary greatly by zip code.  BTW, if people think that density is the main issue in NYC, that doesn't explain Nassau, Suffolk & Westchester counties.

Well, I will have you know that the air quality in NNY where we have had 1 death of 135 cases is much better then the air quality in NYC. I have lived in both environments. It is different. 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

THE PANDEMIC: WHERE WE STAND NOW

By John Hindraker

 

The Wuhan virus appears to be peaking, both globally and in the U.S. The much-maligned University of Washington IHME model says that U.S. deaths should have peaked today, and are expected to decline hereafter. Given that model’s track record, no one is taking it to the bank. But it is an opportune moment to see where we stand today, in terms of fatalities, in the context of other diseases.

 

I have posted this chart, now updated with today’s numbers, several times before. It is simple: it shows, from left to right, the average number of annual deaths attributed to the seasonal flu, worldwide, according to the World Health Organization; the number of global COVID-19 deaths to date, per the same organization; the number of deaths attributed to seasonal flu in the U.S. two years ago, the 2017-2018 season; and U.S. COVID-19 deaths to date.

 

Click to enlarge:

 

Worldwide, the COVID-19 fatalities add up to just under 20% of an average flu season. In the U.S., COVID-19 fatalities to date are 26% of the number that we suffered just two flu seasons ago. I am not sure why these numbers are not more widely known. They seem relevant to me.

 

Crudely speaking, if we assume that the U.S. is around 50% of the way through the COVID-19 epidemic, we might expect something like 33,000 fatalities, equal to an average seasonal flu year. An inevitable second round of infections after our governments finally let people go back to work, and out in public, may raise that number, but no one I know of has tried to guess to what extent. Still, any way you look at it, it is hard to see how COVID-19 deaths will exceed the flu fatalities we experienced two years ago. And that was barely a news story.

 

A final thought: What will happen when the catastrophic shutdown orders under which most of us have been living are finally lifted, in May or June? Since sheltering in place was only intended to delay the virus’s spread, not to prevent it, we should assume that COVID infection and death numbers will rise dramatically. But what if they don’t? Won’t that be strong evidence that the states’ extreme shutdown measures were not needed in the first place? Don’t expect any politicians to make the point, but I think the answer is Yes.

 

You just posted something comparing COVID-19 to the flu. This will not go unpunished....

 

How dare you

[fansince88]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

THE PANDEMIC: WHERE WE STAND NOW

By John Hindraker

 

The Wuhan virus appears to be peaking, both globally and in the U.S. The much-maligned University of Washington IHME model says that U.S. deaths should have peaked today, and are expected to decline hereafter. Given that model’s track record, no one is taking it to the bank. But it is an opportune moment to see where we stand today, in terms of fatalities, in the context of other diseases.

 

I have posted this chart, now updated with today’s numbers, several times before. It is simple: it shows, from left to right, the average number of annual deaths attributed to the seasonal flu, worldwide, according to the World Health Organization; the number of global COVID-19 deaths to date, per the same organization; the number of deaths attributed to seasonal flu in the U.S. two years ago, the 2017-2018 season; and U.S. COVID-19 deaths to date.

 

Click to enlarge:

 

Worldwide, the COVID-19 fatalities add up to just under 20% of an average flu season. In the U.S., COVID-19 fatalities to date are 26% of the number that we suffered just two flu seasons ago. I am not sure why these numbers are not more widely known. They seem relevant to me.

 

Crudely speaking, if we assume that the U.S. is around 50% of the way through the COVID-19 epidemic, we might expect something like 33,000 fatalities, equal to an average seasonal flu year. An inevitable second round of infections after our governments finally let people go back to work, and out in public, may raise that number, but no one I know of has tried to guess to what extent. Still, any way you look at it, it is hard to see how COVID-19 deaths will exceed the flu fatalities we experienced two years ago. And that was barely a news story.

 

A final thought: What will happen when the catastrophic shutdown orders under which most of us have been living are finally lifted, in May or June? Since sheltering in place was only intended to delay the virus’s spread, not to prevent it, we should assume that COVID infection and death numbers will rise dramatically. But what if they don’t? Won’t that be strong evidence that the states’ extreme shutdown measures were not needed in the first place? Don’t expect any politicians to make the point, but I think the answer is Yes.

 

 

 

 

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Agree with all of this. Now people will say you and I dont think this is a serious situation or claim we are saying it is just the flu. NOT WHAT IM SAYING.  I am saying that numbers dont lie. 

[B-Man]

 

MEET THE FORMER NYT REPORTER WHO IS CHALLENGING THE CORONAVIRUS NARRATIVE.

 

 

 

 

SHOT: New York now has more coronavirus cases than any foreign country.

 

CHASER: Progress: ICU admissions in New York are now net negative, says Cuomo.

 

 

 

SCIENTIFIC STANDARDS VARY ACCORDING TO RHETORICAL NEED: 

The Face Mask Debate Reveals a Scientific Double Standard: No one complained about the lack of evidence for 20-second hand-washing. So why did we treat face masks differently?

 

 

 

 

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[IDBillzFan]

8 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

How dare you

 

Simply can not resist...

 

[B-Man]

 Covid-19 and the Big Government Problem: What happens when bureaucratic dead weight meets a horseman of the apocalypse?

 

From 2007 to 2019, the total number of employees in the Food and Drug Administration increased by nearly 80 percent to more than 17,000 employees, according to a Cato Institute report. That includes nearly 500 additional workers to review the safety of medical devices.

 

Has it helped? In March, Julia Ioffe wrote a must-read account in GQ of the F.D.A.’s almost-comical mishandling of an effort to roll out coronavirus test kits. First the F.D.A. approved a flawed test. Then they stymied an effective test by requiring its developer to submit his request not only electronically but also mailed in paper and via thumb drive. Then the F.D.A. demanded that the developer see if his test worked against other coronaviruses. Then the F.D.A. shut down a testing regime developed by the Seattle Flu Study because it lacked the correct licensing requirements.

 

And yet some idiots are blaming these problems on “small government” ideology. If only!

 

 

 

Related: The CDC was Fighting Racism and Obesity Instead of Stopping Epidemics.

 

 

 

 

Flashback: You had one job, CDC.

 

 

 

 

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[ALF]

This virus has less fatalities then a bad flu season , but a hotspot  like NYC is a real disaster. It's hard to predict what could happen in other areas if no semi  lockdown there. I  can't remember another PPE shortage like now. 

[KD in CA]

Any thoughts as to why the US categorizes so few people as 'recovered'?   

 

According to the daily numbers, only 5.5% of the total cases in the US (500k) have recovered, compared to 30% of the other 1.2m cases in the rest of the world.   27% if you just look at Canada + Europe and exclude phony numbers from places like BRIC, Iran, etc.

[meazza]

2 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Any thoughts as to why the US categorizes so few people as 'recovered'?   

 

According to the daily numbers, only 5.5% of the total cases in the US (500k) have recovered, compared to 30% of the other 1.2m cases in the rest of the world.   27% if you just look at Canada + Europe and exclude phony numbers from places like BRIC, Iran, etc.

Maybe timing is the issue? It takes two weeks for the virus to completely disappear.

[ALF]

2 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Any thoughts as to why the US categorizes so few people as 'recovered'?   

 

According to the daily numbers, only 5.5% of the total cases in the US (500k) have recovered, compared to 30% of the other 1.2m cases in the rest of the world.   27% if you just look at Canada + Europe and exclude phony numbers from places like BRIC, Iran, etc.

 

I would guess not enough testing for those recovering at home.

[B-Man]

Opinion: Federalism and the Private Sector Rock!

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

Beautiful words.

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[shoshin]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

Probably close to zero effect.  If that were the case you'd see fairly uniform numbers across the city.  But the infection rates and mortality vary greatly by zip code.  BTW, if people think that density is the main issue in NYC, that doesn't explain Nassau, Suffolk & Westchester counties.

Those counties travel to NYC so I think it explains it pretty well. 

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

THE PANDEMIC: WHERE WE STAND NOW

By John Hindraker

 

The Wuhan virus appears to be peaking, both globally and in the U.S. The much-maligned University of Washington IHME model says that U.S. deaths should have peaked today, and are expected to decline hereafter. Given that model’s track record, no one is taking it to the bank. But it is an opportune moment to see where we stand today, in terms of fatalities, in the context of other diseases.

 

I have posted this chart, now updated with today’s numbers, several times before. It is simple: it shows, from left to right, the average number of annual deaths attributed to the seasonal flu, worldwide, according to the World Health Organization; the number of global COVID-19 deaths to date, per the same organization; the number of deaths attributed to seasonal flu in the U.S. two years ago, the 2017-2018 season; and U.S. COVID-19 deaths to date.

 

Click to enlarge:

 

Worldwide, the COVID-19 fatalities add up to just under 20% of an average flu season. In the U.S., COVID-19 fatalities to date are 26% of the number that we suffered just two flu seasons ago. I am not sure why these numbers are not more widely known. They seem relevant to me.

 

Crudely speaking, if we assume that the U.S. is around 50% of the way through the COVID-19 epidemic, we might expect something like 33,000 fatalities, equal to an average seasonal flu year. An inevitable second round of infections after our governments finally let people go back to work, and out in public, may raise that number, but no one I know of has tried to guess to what extent. Still, any way you look at it, it is hard to see how COVID-19 deaths will exceed the flu fatalities we experienced two years ago. And that was barely a news story.

 

A final thought: What will happen when the catastrophic shutdown orders under which most of us have been living are finally lifted, in May or June? Since sheltering in place was only intended to delay the virus’s spread, not to prevent it, we should assume that COVID infection and death numbers will rise dramatically. But what if they don’t? Won’t that be strong evidence that the states’ extreme shutdown measures were not needed in the first place? Don’t expect any politicians to make the point, but I think the answer is Yes.

 

 

 

 

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Tripling the daily death count over what it normally is in NY is real. 

 

 Covid is crushing a lot of healthcare systems as they drop almost every other patient to try to care for them.

 

All the above happened in just a couple of months and during a virtual lockdown, where the flu numbers are for a full year with no lockdown. 
 

Stop comparing this to the flu. It isn’t the flu. 

Edited April 11, 2020 by shoshin

[billsfan1959]

38 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Any thoughts as to why the US categorizes so few people as 'recovered'?   

 

According to the daily numbers, only 5.5% of the total cases in the US (500k) have recovered, compared to 30% of the other 1.2m cases in the rest of the world.   27% if you just look at Canada + Europe and exclude phony numbers from places like BRIC, Iran, etc.

 

We would have much better numbers by now if Trump would have started testing last summer

[shoshin]

51 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Any thoughts as to why the US categorizes so few people as 'recovered'?   

 

According to the daily numbers, only 5.5% of the total cases in the US (500k) have recovered, compared to 30% of the other 1.2m cases in the rest of the world.   27% if you just look at Canada + Europe and exclude phony numbers from places like BRIC, Iran, etc.

We are late to the party in getting Covid. Our numbers will increase. I was noticing this was wildly low in the European counties for a long time too. Must have to do with how long you have to be Covid free before you move to “recovered.” Maybe our standard for recovery is different too because I can’t explain Canada. 

Edited April 11, 2020 by shoshin

[B-Man]

 

[Doc]

56 minutes ago, ALF said:

This virus has less fatalities then a bad flu season , but a hotspot  like NYC is a real disaster. It's hard to predict what could happen in other areas if no semi  lockdown there. I  can't remember another PPE shortage like now. 

 

13 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Tripling the daily death count over what it normally is in NY is real. 

 

 Covid is crushing a lot of healthcare systems as they drop almost every other patient to try to care for them.

 

All the above happened in just a couple of months and during a virtual lockdown, where the flu numbers are for a full year with no lockdown. 
 

Stop comparing this to the flu. It isn’t the flu. 

 

Yes.  Because we have a vaccine for the flu.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 

Yes.  Because we have a vaccine for the flu.

 

Yeah another thing i'm worried about. Might be a stronger flu or less flu shots.  So so on flu shots. Hoping labs prepared in case.. Flu changes every year. Why for vaccines.

 

How Influenza (Flu) Vaccines Are Made

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Selecting Viruses for the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine

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Advancements in Influenza Vaccines

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• Egg-Based Flu Vaccines
• Cell-Based Flu Vaccines
• Recombinant Flu Vaccines

 

For the United States there are three different influenza vaccine production technologies approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)external icon:

• egg-based flu vaccine,
• cell-based flu vaccine, and
• recombinant flu vaccine.

All commercially available flu vaccines in the United States are made by private sector manufacturers. Different manufacturers use different production technologies, but all flu vaccines meet FDA safety and effectiveness requirements. Different vaccines have different indications. See Influenza Vaccines — United States, 2019-2020 Influenza Season for specific indications.

Egg-Based Flu Vaccines

The most common way that flu vaccines are made is using an egg-based manufacturing process

that has been used for more than 70 years. Egg-based vaccine manufacturing is used to make both inactivated (killed) vaccine (usually called the “flu shot”) and live attenuated (weakened) vaccine (usually called the “nasal spray flu vaccine”).

The egg-based production process begins with CDC or another laboratory partner in the WHO Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System providing private sector manufacturers with candidate vaccine viruses (CVVs) grown in eggs per current FDA regulatory requirements. These CVVs are then injected into fertilized hen’s eggs and incubated for several days to allow the viruses to replicate. The fluid containing virus is harvested from the eggs. For inactivated influenza vaccines (i.e., flu shots), the vaccine viruses are then inactivated (killed), and the virus antigen is purified. The manufacturing process continues with quality testing, filling and distribution. For the nasal spray flu vaccine (i.e., the live attenuated influenza vaccine – LAIV), the starting CVVs are live, but weakened viruses that go through a different production process. FDA tests and approves all influenza vaccines prior to release and shipment.

There are several different manufacturers that use this production technology to make flu vaccines for use in the United States. This production method requires large numbers of chicken eggs to produce vaccine and may take longer than other production methods.

Cell-Based Flu Vaccines

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/how-fluvaccine-made.htm 

 

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Well I hope Gretch enjoyed her one term as guv.

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Wow that's awful.  Feel badly all the people live there have to go thru that crap.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[ALF]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

 

Yes.  Because we have a vaccine for the flu.

 

CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

 

Despite the large amount of knowledge that has been gained about SARS-CoV following the outbreak, there are still no vaccines or antivirals approved for preventing or treating SARS-CoV infections.  Struck 2003

 

At this time, there is no vaccine or specific treatment for MERS.  Struck 2013-14

 

https://www.bcm.edu/departments/molecular-virology-and-microbiology/emerging-infections-and-biodefense/sars-virus

 

Not sure if the Sars and Mers still has no vaccine

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

35 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

The dream of the left. Destroy the family, break the church. I've sounded the alarm for years, and was called a fascist.