Deranged Rhino Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 https://mobile.twitter.com/newley/status/1247770701429215235 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Deaths up today. Good news is spike may be because of backlog of weekend cases just being reported. What makes you think that? I see no reports that yesterday was just data catching up. Every state is up yesterday markedly. And this weekly blip is not something we see every week. It happened last week and then remained high. Looks like a real jump. Next few days data would have fall preciously to bear your speculation out. I hope so. Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 SMDH at the right and left arguing over this pandemic. Step away one sec and you might see that Trump did a horrible job and the left wouldn’t have done any better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 51 recovered coronavirus patients in South Korea test positive again after release from quarantine The virus likely was reactivated, said KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong, instead of the people being reinfected once they left, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported. In March, the South China Morning Post reported that doctors in Wuhan, China – where the virus emerged – said that as many as 10 percent of coronavirus patients had tested positive again after being discharged from the hospital. While surveillance of similar patients showed that 80 to 90 percent had no trace of the virus in their system one month after being discharged from the hospital, Wang said officials were only working with "small samples." “We need a large-scale epidemiological study to guide our disease surveillance and prevention works,” he was quoted as saying. https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-south-korea-patients-test-postive-again-quarantine-release-covid-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ALF said: 51 recovered coronavirus patients in South Korea test positive again after release from quarantine The virus likely was reactivated, said KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong, instead of the people being reinfected once they left, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported. In March, the South China Morning Post reported that doctors in Wuhan, China – where the virus emerged – said that as many as 10 percent of coronavirus patients had tested positive again after being discharged from the hospital. While surveillance of similar patients showed that 80 to 90 percent had no trace of the virus in their system one month after being discharged from the hospital, Wang said officials were only working with "small samples." “We need a large-scale epidemiological study to guide our disease surveillance and prevention works,” he was quoted as saying. https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-south-korea-patients-test-postive-again-quarantine-release-covid-19 Testing positive can mean a lot of things, including just that there is remnant of whatever they are testing for in your system. It doesn’t mean you’re sick or contagious. Just to cut off a freak out prematurely. We will need a lot of tests On hand before we reopen. Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Justice said: SMDH at the right and left arguing over this pandemic. Step away one sec and you might see that Trump did a horrible job and the left wouldn’t have done any better. OR Trump did a great job and the Left could have done better....OR Trump did a great job and the Left would have screwed it up royally. OR Trump did an ok job with a virus like which we have not seen in 102 years but the left (media, Q, Tibs and the like) wouldnt take a moment to recognise. I believe the the last is the best option. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Hey, while you are cuttting and pasting and posting the same nonsense over and over, could you make the font a little bigger? We can almost make it out from here with the naked eye, but not quite. Sincerely, The International Space Station 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Whenever someone compares covid to the flu on here, you can just link this chart. But besides that, they are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, shoshin said: Whenever someone compares covid to the flu on here, you can just link this chart. But besides that, they are the same. I don't really see many people claiming this is the same as the flu. People have talked about the total number of people that die during each flu season because it is substantial. And there are some seasons that are really bad - just look at the 2017-2018 season depicted on this graph. People like to accuse others of comparing this to the flu and dismiss the flu like it is nothing at all. According to an estimate by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were approximately 45 million cases of the flu in the United States during the 2017-2018 influenza season, resulting in an estimated 21 million flu-associated medical visits, 810,000 flu-associated hospitalizations and an estimated 61,000 flu-associated deaths During 2014-2015, There were an estimated 30 million cases, 14 million flu-associated medical visits, 591,000 flu-related hospitalizations, and 51,000 flu-associated deaths https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm Edited April 8, 2020 by billsfan1959 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) I forget who was here saying that he lives in a rural area and doesn't need to abide by wearing a mask. Rural America is just behind in timing on this, but it's rising now too. Really sad to see this stat today. ####. If you slide the deaths stat back, it's a similar trend. And the confirmed cases is not, but I bet that's just because of fewer tests being available. Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I don't really see many people claiming this is the same as the flu. People have talked about the total number of people that die during each flu season because it is substantial. Even the Surgeon General said it was just another flu. And people here early on were citing flu statistics to show how much worse the flu was. People say things like, "How dare you post anything that even remotely makes comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu?" to make fun of people who were saying you shouldn't compare the flu and covid. I would have been in the club of people thinking this was not a big deal right up until the Jazz didn't play that night. Not that we needed the chart at this point, but that chart ends the discussion. And death rate alone does not tell the entire story. We are shut down. Hospitals are IGNORING millions of non-covid patients to deal with this. The number of deaths is a stat but it is not the one we should rely on to say, "See, it's just like the flu. We overreacted." If we get a death toll that rivals a flu season, it will have once at great expense. Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 As the number of coronavirus deaths continues to increase, so have demographic observations about the fatalities: More men have died than women, researchers have found, and in areas that collect racial data, the virus is killing a disproportionately high number of black Americans. But a new study out of Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health appears to confirm a theory many experts had floated earlier this year: Coronavirus patients in areas that had high levels of air pollution before the outbreak are more likely to die from the illness. The Harvard study, published Tuesday, is the first conclusive link between long-term exposure to pollution and death rates associated with covid-19 in the United States. Analyzing about 3,000 counties nationwide, the scientists found that higher levels of tiny airborne known as PM 2.5 were linked to higher death rates from the disease. Francesca Dominici, a Harvard biostatistician who led the research, told the New York Times that the paper “provides evidence” that counties with more polluted air will see more hospitalizations and deaths and should thus receive more resources. The study has been submitted for peer review and publication in the New England Journal of Medicine. A one-unit difference in the fine particulate pollution of two counties can result in a 15 percent difference in the likelihood that long-term residents will die of covid-19. Air pollution has been linked to a greater risk of respiratory infection, The Washington Post’s Brady Dennis reported, perhaps because of their effect on cells in our lungs known as “alveolar macrophages.” Although these cells remove particles, microbes and bacteria that travel deep into the airways, pollution particles slow down the alveolar macrophages. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/08/coronavirus-latest-news/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, shoshin said: Even the Surgeon General said it was just another flu. And people here early on were citing flu statistics to show how much worse the flu was. People say things like, "How dare you post anything that even remotely makes comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu?" to make fun of people who were saying you shouldn't compare the flu and covid. I would have been in the club of people thinking this was not a big deal right up until the Jazz didn't play that night. Not that we needed the chart at this point, but that chart ends the discussion. And death rate alone does not tell the entire story. We are shut down. Hospitals are IGNORING millions of non-coved patients to deal with this. The number of deaths is a stat but it is not the one we should rely on to say, "See, it's just like the flu. We overreacted." If we get a death toll that rivals a flu season, it will have once at great expense. Yet, your entire post that I responded to was about using the number of deaths to say, "See, it's not like the flu." There was nothing else in your post other than the number of deaths. And in this post, you use the chart of the number of deaths to say, "This ends the discussion." And then you conclude by saying that the number of deaths is not what we should rely on. BTW, posting the number of deaths from the flu is not an argument for the two are the same. It is simply to say that the flu is not an insignificant thing. And, in the end, the number of people that actually die is an important thing. Edited April 8, 2020 by billsfan1959 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Yet, your entire post that I responded to was about using the number of deaths to say, "See, it's not like the flu." There was nothing else in your post other than the number of deaths. And in this post, you use the chart of the number of deaths to say, "This ends the discussion." And then you conclude by saying that the number of deaths is not what we should rely on. BTW, posting the number of deaths from the flu is not an argument for the two are the same. It is simply to say that the flu is not an insignificant thing. You see something different in that chart besides the total number of deaths. Yes people die from the flu. Maybe as many people die from Covid-19 as usually die from the flu in this wave. It's been said over and over in this thread, often to try to minimize Covid-19. When you said, "How dare you post anything that even remotely makes comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu?" it was a defense of people who make that comparison. It's not good logic. Comparing Covid-19 and the flu is like comparing a tiger and an orange because they reflect a similar wavelength of light. OK I guess but not insightful. We are talking near each other but not quite in sync. My post was a shot at the many people who keep comparing the two like it adds to a discussion. 19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: And, in the end, the number of people that actually die is an important thing. No arguing that but that's just one of the numbers this thing is racking up that make it so different from the flu. Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Though it doesn’t surprise me that models would be inaccurate based on the constantly changing inputs, it should scare you that places that has this under control like Hong Kong and Singapore are experiencing third waves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, shoshin said: You see something different in that chart besides the total number of deaths. Yes people die from the flu. Maybe as many people die from Covid-19 as usually die from the flu in this wave. It's been said over and over in this thread, often to try to minimize Covid-19. When you said, "How dare you post anything that even remotely makes comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu?" it was a defense of people who make that comparison. It's not good logic. Comparing Covid-19 and the flu is like comparing a tiger and an orange because they reflect a similar wavelength of light. OK I guess but not insightful. 1) The chart dealt with nothing but a comparison of the number of weekly deaths associated with COVID-19 vs the flu. 2) For the last time. I am not, and, as far as I can tell, nobody else here is claiming that COVID-19 and the flu are the same things or posting flu numbers to minimize the impact of COVID-19. 3) When you fixate on death in so many posts, and so many other posters fixate on how many people are dying and will die (particularly those blaming Trump for people dying), then it is entirely appropriate tp provide a little perspective on death in this country from other causes - without the automatic response from people like you that we are minimizing the threat of COVID-19 or saying it is the same as the flu. Edited April 8, 2020 by billsfan1959 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 No one is allowed to die in America unless it’s from The CCP’s COVID-19 Wuhan Virus. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nanker said: No one is allowed to die in America unless it’s from The CCP’s COVID-19 Wuhan Virus. Don’t worry! Dr. Trump has this under control! Like no one has ever had anything under control. It’s tremendous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Oh look, Trumptards are worried about the “numbers.” For all the wrong reasons. Wonder where they got that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I have no idea what you guys are arguing about right now. The flu vs Covid? Who really cares. You are BOTH right! Influenza was its own horrific pandemic many years ago and now we have it controlled with flu shots, etc. The same will be true for this virus...but not for a few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) “your chances of dying from ...the flu are much greater than catching, or dying from, this disease” Of course people were minimizing it over and over by comparing it to the flu. Naive or selective memory to think otherwise. That chart draws a slashing line through that talk. Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, shoshin said: “your chances of dying from ...the flu are much greater than catching, or dying from, this disease” Of course people were minimizing it over and over by comparing it to the flu. Naive or selective memory to think otherwise. That chart draws a slashing line through that talk. L.E.T.....I.T.....GO.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: President Donald Trump on Tuesday threatened to freeze U.S. funding to the World Health Organization, saying the international group had “missed the call” on the coronavirus pandemic. Trump also played down the release of January memos from a senior adviser that represented an early warning of a possible coronavirus pandemic, saying he had not seen them at the time. ... Trump continued on Tuesday to defend his actions in the early days of the crisis. He played down memos written by Peter Navarro, a senior White House adviser, that were made public this week. In the late January memos, the most direct warning as yet uncovered in the upper levels of the Trump administration, Navarro warned that the coronavirus crisis could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death. Trump said Tuesday that he was not aware of the memos back in January The two memos — one dated Jan. 29 and circulated to White House staff and the other dated Feb. 23 and addressed to Trump — warned that the coronavirus outbreak in China could ultimately kill more than half a million Americans and cost nearly $6 trillion, according to several reports. Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon told The Post Navarro felt he had no option but to write the memos as infighting between two White House camps broke out over how to handle the COVID-19 outbreak, delaying the administration’s response. ... It took more than a month for the government to impose travel restrictions after learning of the outbreak — Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and National Economic Council director Larry Kudlow were concerned about the economic fallout of banning travelers from China, Reuters reported on Sunday. So much of Donald Trump's ineptitude as President has been this notion that "Acting ________" is a good title because people somehow do their jobs better under pressure and he could easily use his trademark "you're fired!" If it's not working out. Except that idiot doesn't realize how impossible some of these jobs of EXTREME national importance are when you're always thinking "how do I spin this to make the boss happier so I don't get fired?" or "maybe I will just keep this bad news to myself." From Mick Mulvaney to Steve Bannon to... ALL these people Trump hires who his base might cast blame on (as Trump either already has or inevitably will)... IT'S HIS GODDAMN FAULT!!!! Can't wait til November when we get this jackass out of office. I just wish it were sooner. If wishes were fishes you would be 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: “your chances of dying from ...the flu are much greater than catching, or dying from, this disease” Of course people were minimizing it over and over by comparing it to the flu. Ugh. Covid 19 is a form of ‘flu’! The latest in a long line of these viral infections. It is not an alien force from Jupiter. It’s just the latest strain of “influenza”. If you read up on the ‘Spanish Flu’ which hit the world in 1918 - 1920 you’ll find we had no cure for that either! By the way the name didn’t have anything to do with RACISM! One quick google search reveals: ”with no vaccine against the influenza infection control efforts worldwide were limited to isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.” Sound familiar? Covid 19 is indeed’the flu’! And if you read up a bit you’ll find most forms of these viruses come from animals to humans thus our initial inability to fight them with our own body’s natural antibody defenses. For example: swine flu, bird flu, ‘bat 19 flu’ The world is NOT ending people! This has all been played out MANY times before. And, for the Trump haters (and lovers for that matter): this time, just like the last many times...this has ZERO to do with who’s President of the United States. Are we done? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, shoshin said: “your chances of dying from ...the flu are much greater than catching, or dying from, this disease” Of course people were minimizing it over and over by comparing it to the flu. Naive or selective memory to think otherwise. That chart draws a slashing line through that talk. Yup On 1/31/2020 at 2:06 PM, Nanker said: 2.3% death rate from the Wuhan bug. 80,000 Americans died from flu in 2018 1,800 died last year Perspective people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, shoshin said: “your chances of dying from ...the flu are much greater than catching, or dying from, this disease” Of course people were minimizing it over and over by comparing it to the flu. Naive or selective memory to think otherwise. That chart draws a slashing line through that talk. Yes, there are tons of people who were wrong including yours truly. Can we all focus on a plan of how to stop this thing from shutting us down until 2030 or will we all linger on who was wrong when? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, meazza said: Yes, there are tons of people who were wrong including yours truly. And me too. I admitted as much. I thought this was a China problem, a small issue, an issue we could control, all the stages of denial right up until the Jazz didn't go on the court. 3 minutes ago, meazza said: Can we all focus on a plan of how to stop this thing from shutting us down until 2030 or will we all linger on who was wrong when? I'm waiting for that myself. We need to hear the plan so we can predict the next year. I don't have it, and await its reveal. Pence, Tony and the crew are working on it, of that I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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meazza Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: And me too. I admitted as much. I thought this was a China problem, a small issue, an issue we could control, all the stages of denial right up until the Jazz didn't go on the court. I'm waiting for that myself. We need to hear the plan so we can predict the next year. I don't have it, and await its reveal. Pence, Tony and the crew are working on it, of that I'm sure. As I posted above, the fact that a third wave is going on in Hong Kong and Singapore scares the ***** out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, meazza said: As I posted above, the fact that a third wave is going on in Hong Kong and Singapore scares the ***** out of me. Why so scared? This is all to be expected. It’s just that in 2020 we hear about the entire world in real time. This has all been played out before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Appreciate the concern, but I'm one of those rare lucky people who knew his career path when he was a Freshman in High School. Never changed and never wavered. Worked hard to earn both my undergraduate then Master's degree in 5 years total. Love my job. Incredibly rewarding. I'm doing damn well. Thanks for your wish, it was just utterly unnecessary. Use it on something meaningful, like this Pandemic ending. you were bullied in school, weren't you? 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Ugh. Covid 19 is a form of ‘flu’! The latest in a long line of these viral infections. It is not an alien force from Jupiter. It’s just the latest strain of “influenza”. If you read up on the ‘Spanish Flu’ which hit the world in 1918 - 1920 you’ll find we had no cure for that either! By the way the name didn’t have anything to do with RACISM! One quick google search reveals: ”with no vaccine against the influenza infection control efforts worldwide were limited to isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.” Sound familiar? Covid 19 is indeed’the flu’! And if you read up a bit you’ll find most forms of these viruses come from animals to humans thus our initial inability to fight them with our own body’s natural antibody defenses. For example: swine flu, bird flu, ‘bat 19 flu’ The world is NOT ending people! This has all been played out MANY times before. And, for the Trump haters (and lovers for that matter): this time, just like the last many times...this has ZERO to do with who’s President of the United States. Are we done? I think President Trump doing a good job. But the covid-19 comes from a family of coronavirus. Like sars before, mers, and all type of different family's to it. Different family's affects animals and to only animals. Coronaviruses are a group of related viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans, coronaviruses cause respiratory tract infections that can range from mild to lethal. Mild illnesses include some cases of the common cold (which has other possible causes, predominantly rhinoviruses), while more lethal varieties can cause SARS, MERS, and COVID-19. Symptoms in other species vary: in chickens, they cause an upper respiratory tract disease, while in cows and pigs they cause diarrhea. There are yet to be vaccines or antiviral drugs to prevent or treat human coronavirus infections. Coronaviruses constitute the subfamily Orthocoronavirinae, in the family Coronaviridae, order Nidovirales, and realm Riboviria.[5][6] They are enveloped viruses with a positive-sense single-stranded RNA genome and a nucleocapsid of helical symmetry. The genome size of coronaviruses ranges from approximately 27 to 34 kilobases, the largest among known RNA viruses.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronaviridae Taxonomy[edit] The family Coronaviridae is organized in 2 sub-families, 5 genera, 23 sub-genera and about 40 species:[2] Coronaviridae Orthocoronavirinae[3] Letovirinae Alphaletovirus Milecovirus Microhyla letovirus 1 illustration of coronavirus virion Coronavirus[edit] Main article: Coronavirus Illustration of a coronavirus Coronavirus is the common name for Coronaviridae and Orthocoronavirinae, also called Coronavirinae.[4][5] Coronaviruses cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans, the viruses cause respiratory infections, including the common cold, which are typically mild, though rarer forms such as SARS (including the one causing COVID-19) and MERS can be lethal. Symptoms vary in other species: in chickens, they cause an upper respiratory disease, while in cows and pigs coronaviruses cause diarrhea. There are no vaccines or antiviral drugs to prevent or treat human coronavirus infections. They are enveloped viruses with a positive-sense single-stranded RNA genome and a nucleocapsid of helical symmetry. The genome size of coronaviruses ranges from approximately 26 to 32 kilobases, among the largest for an RNA virus (only second to a 41-kb nidovirus recently discovered in planaria).[6][7] The name "coronavirus" is derived from the Ancient Greek 'κορώνη' (korone), meaning crown or halo, which refers to the characteristic appearance of the virus particles (virions): they have a fringe reminiscent of a crown or of a solar corona. Orthocoronavirinae taxonomy[edit] Orthocoronavirinae Alphacoronavirus Colacovirus Bat coronavirus CDPHE15 Decacovirus Bat coronavirus HKU10 Rhinolophus ferrumequinum alphacoronavirus HuB-2013 Duvinacovirus Human coronavirus 229E Luchacovirus Lucheng Rn rat coronavirus Minacovirus Ferret coronavirus Mink coronavirus 1 Minunacovirus Miniopterus bat coronavirus 1 Miniopterus bat coronavirus HKU8 Myotacovirus Myotis ricketti alphacoronavirus Sax-2011 Nyctacovirus Nyctalus velutinus alphacoronavirus SC-2013 Pedacovirus Porcine epidemic diarrhea virus Scotophilus bat coronavirus 512 Rhinacovirus Rhinolophus bat coronavirus HKU2 Setracovirus Human coronavirus NL63 NL63-related bat coronavirus strain BtKYNL63-9b Tegacovirus Alphacoronavirus 1 – type species Betacoronavirus Embecovirus Betacoronavirus 1 Human coronavirus OC43 China Rattus coronavirus HKU24 Human coronavirus HKU1 Murine coronavirus – type species Hibecovirus Bat Hp-betacoronavirus Zhejiang2013 Merbecovirus Hedgehog coronavirus 1 Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (MERS-CoV) Pipistrellus bat coronavirus HKU5 Tylonycteris bat coronavirus HKU4 Nobecovirus Rousettus bat coronavirus GCCDC1 Rousettus bat coronavirus HKU9 Sarbecovirus Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19) Deltacoronavirus Andecovirus Wigeon coronavirus HKU20 Buldecovirus Bulbul coronavirus HKU11 – type species Porcine coronavirus HKU15 Munia coronavirus HKU13 White-eye coronavirus HKU16 Herdecovirus Night heron coronavirus HKU19 Moordecovirus Common moorhen coronavirus HKU21 Gammacoronavirus Cegacovirus Beluga whale coronavirus SW1 Igacovirus Avian coronavirus – type species References The flu is a negative strand of RNA while coronavirus family is a positive strand of RNA. Flu has a different family. in the coronavirus family Coronaviridae, order Nidovirales, and realm Riboviria. Reading online. Edited April 8, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Bills fan. Thanks for posting the actual information. I was paraphrasing of course for a message board. As I said, this current virus is not unusual in any way. It’s all been played out before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Bills fan. Thanks for posting the actual information. I was paraphrasing of course for a message board. As I said, this current virus is not unusual in any way. It’s all been played out before. Right anytime man. Agree with you. Sars, Mers, covid-19 similar but do way different things can be complex. For detail to detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, shoshin said: Whenever someone compares covid to the flu on here, you can just link this chart. But besides that, they are the same. except that... there are reports that deaths from other causes are being lumped into the Coronavirus bin. of which, would not surprise me one bit. if you want to in/validate the chart you posted give me some statistics on the yearly overall morbidity rates. if that chart is truly representative we should not be seeing things such as the below. Edited April 8, 2020 by Foxx 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 ABC News: US intelligence warned of China's spreading contagion in November The US military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) compiled a November intelligence report in which "analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," one of the sources of the NCMI's report told ABC News. The source told ABC News that the intelligence report was then briefed "multiple times" to the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's Joint Staff and the White House. Repeated briefings were held through December across the US government, including the National Security Council, culminating in a detailed outline of the threat in the President's Daily Brief in early January, according to ABC News, whose report cited four sources briefed on the matter. The report, which CNN has not independently verified, raised concerns because of the disease's potential threat to US military forces in Asia, ABC News reported. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/us-intelligence-report-china-coronavirus/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Right anytime man. Agree with you. Sars, Mers, covid-19 similar but do way different things can be complex. For detail to detail. Back at you! The media hysteria and a 24 hour news cycle has made yet another current event intolerable. While the ability of modern science has greatly reduced the time for civilization to react to such a pandemic...we’re simply NOT at the point where this is going to be fixed during our lunch break! The entire world cannot remain in lock down. We need to be looking into best practices to live and function with this virus while the best minds create a vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Back at you! The media hysteria and a 24 hour news cycle has made yet another current event intolerable. While the ability of modern science has greatly reduced the time for civilization to react to such a pandemic...we’re simply NOT at the point where this is going to be fixed during our lunch break! The entire world cannot remain in lock down. We need to be looking into best practices to live and function with this virus while the best minds create a vaccine. Not sure agree on that part. I think the vaccine possibly might make things worse. . I mean agreeing with a different thing you said. Lockdown helping some countries a bit. But I understand why other countries not locking down. I understand and I'm concerned as well. It's a complex virus. But looking at results and prepared like Trump fighting this andhelping people. What trying to see from president trump and other places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, Foxx said: except that... there are reports that deaths from other causes are being lumped into the Coronavirus bin. of which, would not surprise me one bit. if you want to in/validate the chart you posted give me some statistics on the yearly overall morbidity rates. if that chart is truly representative we should not be seeing things such as the below. That’s an interesting data point and I’m sure you’ve seen the ones that run counter about how many Covid deaths we are missing. I have no doubt that the massive uptick in Covid cases is causing sloppier classification than usual. But even *some* sloppiness can’t make this look like the flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Really good read that I think does a good job exploring the cause, while others are still looking at the symptoms. http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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