Warren Zevon Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You both have gone on about Trump disbanding the pandemic response team or making it ineffective in some way. There are pandemic experts and teams around the world. I have asked you before and you haven't provided an answer, so I will ask again: 1. Tell us which contries in the world, with these experts and teams, have been successful in stopping or curtailing this virus or decreasing the death rate. 2. Show us how the lack of the pandemic response team here has affected the rate of the spread of infection in the US or the death rate in the US is in comparison to these countries I'll wait. South Korea seems to be the most successful. We won't know the answer to #2 for quite sometime - or maybe by Easter if Trump's wish comes true. Edit: Seems like Germany is doing a good job as well. Edited March 26, 2020 by Gary Busey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just now, GG said: It's not people. It's the anti-Trump faction in the news that are deliberately twisting his words. Look at his words and match them up to the headlines. In fact, there was the first source for the headline that Trump wants to open up the country by Easter, and all other news outlets simply repeated it. And why the news outlets so desperately want the pressers to end. They are being exposed as idjits, and people can watch in real-time what President Trump is actually saying. I wish I could say that is stopping the headline-narratives; it is not. It is just exposing them as narratives to more people. And the "msm" does not like that. At all. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 COLLUSION: Did WHO director ‘help’ China downplay coronavirus? This professor says yes. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Florida and Mississippi's governors are just like, whatever. Let it flow! Those states will be test cases for how and if the stay at home orders are working or not in other states. All those elderly people in those states are so vulnerable. 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: Come on Tibs, calm down and you'll see things in a much more realistic way No, Trump only cares about his reelection and just wants the poor workers to go out there, like canaries in the coal mines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: That "storm of criticism" should be easy to post, especially since it was on social media. The only thing I have seen is a fake Schumer tweet posted dozens of times. Biden is a moron but he did not call the travel ban xenophobic. I haven't seen what Sanders said. Please let me know. Bernie Sanders says he wouldn't close borders as part of coronavirus response Sanders: “But let’s not go back to the same old thing,” said Mr. Sanders, a top contender for the Democratic presidential nomination. “Isn’t it interesting that a president who has been demagoguing and demonizing immigrants, the first thing that he could think about is closing down the border?” https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/10/bernie-sanders-says-he-wouldnt-close-borders-part-/ Criticisms of Trump’s coronavirus response are sickening Biden: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering,” said Biden the day after the travel restrictions were imposed. https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/criticisms-of-trumps-coronavirus-response-are-sickening-devine/ 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/nevada-governor-bans-malaria-drugs-for-coronavirus-patients/ Nevada’s governor on Tuesday banned the use of anti-malaria drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus patients. Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak’s executive order came after President Trump touted the medication as holding promise for combating the illness. Sisolak said there was no consensus among experts or Nevada doctors that the drugs can treat people with COVID-19. His order also limits a prescription of the medicines — which are also used to treat illnesses like lupus and arthritis — to a 30-day supply to ensure it’s available for “legitimate medical purposes” and so people don’t stockpile the drug. This guy sick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUITS. LOTS OF WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUITS: Governor of Nevada bans use of chloroquine. . Fauci Would Prescribe Chloroquine to Patient Suffering From ... townhall.com › columnists › larryoconnor › 2020/03/25 › fauci-woul... 1 day ago - In the past 24 hours, Dr. Anthony Fauci has said there is no ... we learn that he would prescribe hydroxychloroquine to a patient if he were treating ... "Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option," Fauci said. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Bernie Sanders says he wouldn't close borders as part of coronavirus response Sanders: “But let’s not go back to the same old thing,” said Mr. Sanders, a top contender for the Democratic presidential nomination. “Isn’t it interesting that a president who has been demagoguing and demonizing immigrants, the first thing that he could think about is closing down the border?” https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/10/bernie-sanders-says-he-wouldnt-close-borders-part-/ Criticisms of Trump’s coronavirus response are sickening Biden: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering,” said Biden the day after the travel restrictions were imposed. https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/criticisms-of-trumps-coronavirus-response-are-sickening-devine/ Bernie Sanders doesn't care about American people only whats in his pockets. Like Nancy Pelosi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: South Korea seems to be the most successful. We won't know the answer to #2 for quite sometime - or maybe by Easter if Trump's wish comes true. Edit: Seems like Germany is doing a good job as well. You should have stopped at South Korea. You just unwillingly helped his argument by citing Germany. Germany has 82 million people, roughly one quarter of the US’ 327 million. Yet Germany has 39,502 cases. If you extrapolate that data to the US’ population figures the US would have nearly 160,000 cases. Therefore, by your own definition of doing a good job, the US is doing a phenomenal job. Because we currently only have 69,197 cases. For deaths, they are about identical figures as well. Germany has 206 deaths. Again, for a country one quarter the size of the US. If you apply that 4x multiplier they would be at 824 deaths. The US currently stands at 869. South Korea is a good example. But I doubt it’s because of their pandemic response team. I’m not versed in how many countries have them, but ask Italy, Spain, France, the UK, etc how well their pandemic response teams are helping. Source: Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Tracker Edited March 26, 2020 by PetermansRedemption 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Bernie Sanders says he wouldn't close borders as part of coronavirus response Sanders: “But let’s not go back to the same old thing,” said Mr. Sanders, a top contender for the Democratic presidential nomination. “Isn’t it interesting that a president who has been demagoguing and demonizing immigrants, the first thing that he could think about is closing down the border?” https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/10/bernie-sanders-says-he-wouldnt-close-borders-part-/ Criticisms of Trump’s coronavirus response are sickening Biden: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering,” said Biden the day after the travel restrictions were imposed. https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/criticisms-of-trumps-coronavirus-response-are-sickening-devine/ Regarding Biden - correlation does not imply causation. Any Democrat campaigning versus Trump is going to say Trump has a record of xenophobia and fearmongering. It's part of the reason the right can't stand the libs. Sanders also never says he would not have closed the border to China. The article is referring to the Mexican border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 50 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Agree with you. Sadly there government blaming other countries. It's sad that they are doing that. The "cure" is worse than the disease. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: South Korea seems to be the most successful. We won't know the answer to #2 for quite sometime - or maybe by Easter if Trump's wish comes true. Edit: Seems like Germany is doing a good job as well. South Korea is the only country that seemed to be somewhat successful. The death rate there (1.3 %) is lower than anywhere else with a substantail amount of cases except Germany (.05%). The death rate in the US has been tracking between 1.2% and 1.4% of confirmed cases - similar to South Korea and, I believe, only behind Germany in all countries that have any substantial number of cases. So, I'm not sure how the pandemic response team would have made any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: The "cure" is worse than the disease. Don't quite understand what you are trying to say man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just now, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Don't quite understand what you are trying to say man. I'm saying that we're nuking the economy from orbit for no reason. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 minute ago, PetermansRedemption said: You should have stopped at South Korea. You just unwillingly helped his argument by citing Germany. Germany has 82 million people, roughly one quarter of the US’ 327 million. Yet Germany has 39,502 cases. If you extrapolate that data to the US’ population figures the US would have nearly 160,000 cases. Therefore, by your own definition of doing a good job, the US is doing a phenomenal job. Because we currently only have 69,197 cases. For deaths, they are about identical figures as well. Germany has 206 deaths. Again, for a country one quarter the size of the US. If you apply that 4x multiplier they would be at 824 deaths. The US currently stands at 869. South Korea is a good example. But I doubt it’s because of their pandemic response team. I’m not versed in how many countries have them, but ask Italy, Spain, France, the UK, etc how well their pandemic response teams are helping. Source: Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Tracker Germany has done an insane amount of testing per person when compared with the US. Their numbers are and should be much higher because Germany has been aggressively testing since day 1. Their death rate, though, is less than half a percentage point which is good in comparison with other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: The "cure" is worse than the disease. And unless every city public transportation system is scrubbed down with Lysol, it will just keep perpetuating until a vaccine is found, or we all develop immunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: I'm saying that we're nuking the economy from orbit for no reason. Ya know what you mean now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Regarding Biden - correlation does not imply causation. Any Democrat campaigning versus Trump is going to say Trump has a record of xenophobia and fearmongering. It's part of the reason the right can't stand the libs. Sanders also never says he would not have closed the border to China. The article is referring to the Mexican border. In that article: Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont on Monday said he wouldn’t shutter U.S. borders as part of a potential response to the coronavirus outbreak. That has nothing to do with Mexico. It was a response in direct reply to the travel bans. Please, I have personally heard both Biden and Sanders say they would not have closed the borders or instituted travel bans early on in response to the virus. Just accept it. Things would be even worse now if either one of them were in charge and didn't institute the travel bans. Look at every country that delayed shutting down their borders. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 5 Major Paradigm Shifts The Wuhan Flu Crisis Has Revealed Americans Need By Ben Weingarten Our first priority amid coronavirus must be neutralizing immediate threats to health and safety, but the disruption also provides a chance to engage in national reflection. 1. Communist China Is a Global Menace 2. Coronavirus Starkly Illustrates Globalism’s Downsides 3. We Must Establish Principles for Dealing with Crises 4. The GOP Needs a Real Response for Democrats’ Games 5. We Need to Get Our Fiscal House in Order (There is discussion and links at each of the five) It is paramount that the American people get healthy and that our country gets back to the business of business. But we must not simply gloss over the truths this crisis has revealed. Recognizing them and incorporating them into future policies will ensure the long-term vitality of our country. , 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: And unless every city public transportation system is scrubbed down with Lysol, it will just keep perpetuating until a vaccine is found, or we all develop immunity. Biggest thing to worry about coronavirus changes mutates or whatever. (flu changes each year with different shots) But reseachers said won't change much and some said will change. Dr Fauci said cycle's. Might become a season diseases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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