The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[billsfan1959]

47 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Prove she did. We know Trump did, yet he called it a hoax. You are saying she is just as bad as Trump. Right? Nancy changed her tune, Trump kept on spewing nonsense. 

 

Pelosi's response to this crisis way better than Trump's. Remember when she offered $8 billion in aid and Trump refused that even? Not even close 

 

 

 

So, riddle me this, genius.Trump formed the Task Force on 20 Jan and banned foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks on Jan 31. Do you think the Democrats, who scrutinize everything he does, ad nauseum, weren't in the least curious what he was up to?

 

And if he wasn't responding how they think he should have at that moment, do you honestly think they wouldn't have taken the opportunity to let everyone know?

Edited April 5, 2020 by billsfan1959

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Appreciate this. We have five acres, but the garden and coop comprise a 35'x35' area. We are going to do potatoes, mostly because they're easy to grow but also because my son loves the movie "The Martian."  We also have an apple tree, but are preparing to add a couple of more for the reasons you cite above about the corn. My neighbor has 5 acres next to mine, and we plan to bring in some cows and make use of the 10 acres for our own beef, but also to sell.

 

The goal was never to come here to become as self-sufficient as possible. The garden was my wife's way of ensuring everything we eat is our own.

 

But she looks really, really smart right now and I have no intention of suggesting it was just a lucky call on her behalf.

Oh c'mon, just tell her even a broken clock is right twice a day. 

[Taro T]

3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Appreciate this. We have five acres, but the garden and coop comprise a 35'x35' area. We are going to do potatoes, mostly because they're easy to grow but also because my son loves the movie "The Martian."  We also have an apple tree, but are preparing to add a couple of more for the reasons you cite above about the corn. My neighbor has 5 acres next to mine, and we plan to bring in some cows and make use of the 10 acres for our own beef, but also to sell.

 

The goal was never to come here to become as self-sufficient as possible. The garden was my wife's way of ensuring everything we eat is our own.

 

But she looks really, really smart right now and I have no intention of suggesting it was just a lucky call on her behalf.

 

For the fruit trees, even having just single tree, you'll be able to have a good yield once the tree is mature (takes several years to get there) for stuff like apples and cherries.

 

Pretty cool that you're growing your own.  Good luck with it.

[Buffalo_Gal]

12 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

Do you think there is something we aren’t being told? I have no idea, it does all seem surreal though. 

I honestly do not know. It just seems so odd (surreal is an excellent word, actually) that we (the world) went from "no big deal" to "lock down everything" so quickly. Maybe lock down everything is the correct call? Maybe it is an overreaction? But, ¾ of the world agreeing to closing their borders when ¾ of the world could not agree to anything prior to this? It definitely has me wondering.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I honestly do not know. It just seems so odd (surreal is an excellent word, actually) that we (the world) went from "no big deal" to "lock down everything" so quickly. Maybe lock down everything is the correct call? Maybe it is an overreaction? But, ¾ of the world agreeing to closing their borders when ¾ of the world could not agree to anything prior to this? It definitely has me wondering.

Not complicated at all. Theyve learned that the virus spreads in person to person contact primarily from people that are NOT showing symptoms. So YOU could be spreading it like crazy for days without even knowing it. Pretty simple really. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not complicated at all. Theyve learned that the virus spreads in person to person contact primarily from people that are NOT showing symptoms. So YOU could be spreading it like crazy for days without even knowing it. Pretty simple really. 

Don't you dare rain on my tin-foil-hat parade.

 

[Foxx]

17 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Appreciate this. We have five acres, but the garden and coop comprise a 35'x35' area. We are going to do potatoes, mostly because they're easy to grow but also because my son loves the movie "The Martian."  We also have an apple tree, but are preparing to add a couple of more for the reasons you cite above about the corn. My neighbor has 5 acres next to mine, and we plan to bring in some cows and make use of the 10 acres for our own beef, but also to sell.

 

The goal was never to come here to become as self-sufficient as possible. The garden was my wife's way of ensuring everything we eat is our own.

 

But she looks really, really smart right now and I have no intention of suggesting it was just a lucky call on her behalf.

be sure to plant Marigolds (to ward off certain pests) and Sunflowers (to draw bees).

Edited April 5, 2020 by Foxx

[Doc Brown]

14 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

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The goal with social distancing was to beat the models so that's a good thing.  It's working and there's fear with experts that if we beat the modeling people won't take the measures seriously anymore.  Unless otherwise notified, stay the frig home.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

be sure to plant Marigolds (to ward of certain pests) and Sunflowers (to draw bees).

Our sunflowers had a ***** ton of bees last year, I second that recommendation. I plant a lot of purple flowers and herbs to draw pollinators (bumble bees and hummingbirds).

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

So, riddle me this, genius.Trump formed the Task Force on 20 Jan and banned foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks on Jan 31. Do you think the Democrats, who scrutinize everything he does, ad nauseum, weren't in the least curious what he was up to?

 

And if he wasn't responding how they think he should have at that moment, do you honestly think they wouldn't have taken the opportunity to let everyone know?

I thought you said Dems got the National Security Briefing? Are you backing off from that? 

 

 

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

be sure to plant Marigolds (to ward of certain pests) and Sunflowers (to draw bees).

  Marigolds are excellent to ward off tomato worms less effective to pests that bothers crops such as cabbage.  Yes, sunflowers are very effective in bringing in bees and wasps as well.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Trump has been overly concerned with appearances over reality at every turn. He chooses to look like he solves a problem over actually solving it whenever possible.  He made a couple of good yet unpopular decisions closing travel from China early on and won't let anyone forget about it.  He spends 15-20% of his time self congratulating.  OMG if I hear one more time about how smart he was, .....  Yes, he made that decision.  He did good.  Since then, he has been his typical idiotic self however.

 

If I can post the following post three weeks ago why has he still not realized that is what needs to be done?  I also posted about making and using cloth masks weeks before Trump.  Why didn't he kick things into gear weeks ago, if not months?  Answer:  appearances.   Ok, the expert opinions were all over for a while but Jesus Christ, if I can post on this board about practical ideas to help weeks ago, why has the administration been so slow?  Answer: fear of appearances.

 

And, no one should have to kiss this President's ass in order to get him to do his ***** job.  The people of Michigan should not be punished because Governor Whitmer spoke the truth to this highly flawed fool that is in charge.  If where I worked I saw a manager taking criticism personally and acting so foolishly, I would go over his/her head to report the behavior.  It is not how an organization should operate.  Again, Trump should do his ***** job and that surely includes accepting criticism

 

[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Marigolds are excellent to ward off tomato worms less effective to pests that bothers crops such as cabbage.  Yes, sunflowers are very effective in bringing in bees and wasps as well.

diatomaceous earth works well for those unwanted crawly things (slugs, beetles, etc...).

[RochesterRob]

37 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Have always had excellent luck w/ potatoes and never any w/ corn.

 

Not sure of the soil pH or nutrient levels (the garden is decent sized for a home garden (1,200 sq ft) but working it is a hobby so don't go too crazy on it) but have the rest of that.  Corn is one of only 2 crops I've tried that haven't been successful with.  Was always told by corn farmers that it was because the plots were too small.  And not too concerned about the soil conditions as we literally have corn field within a block of us in all 4 directions and pretty much any other crop does well in our little garden.

 

If you're able to grow corn successfully on a 8' xv6' plot, then congrats.  That is quite impressive. 

  Potatoes seem to be more subject to random events during the season therefore impacting yield when not anticipated.  Which is to say you can have an excellent plant but mediocre yield.  Corn can be "willed" a little more by man via fertility, drainage, and irrigation so it will be less impacted by an off season.  Sunlight directly impacts plant sugar so an overcast July and August will definitely reduce the sweetness in sweet corn.

Edited April 5, 2020 by RochesterRob

[Tiberius]

Nice job China! 

 

Quote

 

Cuomo Says China Delivering 1,000 Ventilators to New York ...

time.com › Health › COVID-19

1 day ago - During a press conference on Saturday, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that the Chinese government is facilitating a donation of ...

 

https://time.com/5815687/cuomo-ventilators-china-coronavirus/

 

[shoshin]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Nice job China! 

 

https://time.com/5815687/cuomo-ventilators-china-coronavirus/

 

A PR stunt but if they want to buy good will right now, that’s fine. Keep it coming. 
 

We will deal with them later. 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

We live and we learn. I have learned your opinions are not well informed and that you are quite stubborn

 

Want to tell us all again how this virus is no big deal?  

 

Why? Do you want to wish death upon her as you did anyone who disagrees with you? 

 

Reminder -- the asshat above said this below, without hesitation or regret. 

 

On 3/19/2020 at 9:54 AM, Bob in Mich said:

If there was justice in the universe, rather than culling the elderly, this virus would cull our world of the idiots.  Please God, start with those that continue to claim that this is all overblown.

 

[billsfan1959]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I thought you said Dems got the National Security Briefing? Are you backing off from that? 

 

Not at all. I have no doubt they did. Let me rephrase. Let's, for the sake of argument, say that the Democrats were not briefed in any way about the coronavirus, and had somehow had missed seeing, reading, and hearing about it in any way.

 

When Trump formed the Task Force on 20 Jan and banned foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks on Jan 31. Do you think the Democrats, who scrutinize everything he does, ad nauseum, weren't in the least curious what he was up to? Wouldn't have demanded a briefing? Wouldn't have set up their own committe to look into it? And if he wasn't responding how they think he should have at that moment, do you honestly think they wouldn't have taken the opportunity to let everyone know?

 

So, now answer the questions that you failed to address at all in your response

Edited April 5, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

42 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Appreciate this. We have five acres, but the garden and coop comprise a 35'x35' area. We are going to do potatoes, mostly because they're easy to grow but also because my son loves the movie "The Martian."  We also have an apple tree, but are preparing to add a couple of more for the reasons you cite above about the corn. My neighbor has 5 acres next to mine, and we plan to bring in some cows and make use of the 10 acres for our own beef, but also to sell.

 

The goal was never to come here to become as self-sufficient as possible. The garden was my wife's way of ensuring everything we eat is our own.

 

But she looks really, really smart right now and I have no intention of suggesting it was just a lucky call on her behalf.

 

Starting to sound like me lol. I've become a lot more hands on and agricultural since moving to where I am.

[billsfan1959]

11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Nice job China! 

 

https://time.com/5815687/cuomo-ventilators-china-coronavirus/

 

 

Only people like you would applaud China and vilify Trump. That says all anyone here needs to know about you.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I hope she recovers quickly and completely.

My uncle had to have the Lyme treatment last year. He's over 65. He's fine now.  (anecdotal, but the treatment works)

 

 

Thanks Buffalo_Gal and everyone. Glad you're uncle is alright.

 

Just not sure if lyme. Heard she is on a ventilator. Getting different things from everyone.  Heard affected the heart. unconscious.  I think i'll wait for sure right thing on doctor says (professional). Trying to tell my mother sometimes there is no symptoms.  Sometimes it is one or two with covid-19 symptoms.  As well said symptoms are all over the place incubation sometimes 14 days (she thinks 14 days) but mostly 1-7 days.   Unsure how long for Buffalo Covid-19 test kits? If it is the 24 hour one or the short one? Too many question's to be answered. 

Edited April 5, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Q-baby!]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Only people like you would applaud China and vilify Trump. That says all anyone here needs to know about you.

Wait.....wasn’t Trump praising China a while ago? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Only people like you would applaud China and vilify Trump. That says all anyone here needs to know about you.

 

Ignore is your friend. Don't feed the chimps.

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Ignore is your friend. Don't feed the chimps.

Yeah! 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Only people like you would applaud China and vilify Trump. That says all anyone here needs to know about you.

 

Ignore them man. Most people here know there content posts is full of crap. All they do is hate and hate without any content or anything to there posts.

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Thanks Buffalo_Gal. Glad you're uncle is alright.

 

Just not sure if lyme. Heard she is on a ventilator. Getting different things from everyone.  Heard affected the heart. unconscious.  I think i'll wait for sure right thing on doctor says (professional). Trying to tell my mother sometimes there is no symptoms.  Sometimes it is one or two with covid-19 symptoms.  As well said symptoms are all over the place incubation sometimes 14 days (she thinks 14 days) but mostly 1-7 days.   Unsure how long for Buffalo Covid-19 test kits? If it is the 24 hour one or the short one? Too many question's to be answered. 

 

Our thoughts and prayers are with her Buffalo Bills Fan

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Thread and article for consideration: 

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Our thoughts and prayers are with her Buffalo Bills Fan

 

 

Thanks very much buddy

[Deranged Rhino]

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Only people like you would applaud China and vilify Trump. That says all anyone here needs to know about you.

Credit where credit is due. You won't even thank a good deed? Get a grip 

12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Not at all. I have no doubt they did. Let me rephrase. Let's, for the sake of argument, say that the Democrats were not briefed in any way about the coronavirus, and had somehow had missed seeing, reading, and hearing about it in any way.

 

When Trump formed the Task Force on 20 Jan and banned foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks on Jan 31. Do you think the Democrats, who scrutinize everything he does, ad nauseum, weren't in the least curious what he was up to? Wouldn't have demanded a briefing? Wouldn't have set up their own committe to look into it? And if he wasn't responding how they think he should have at that moment, do you honestly think they wouldn't have taken the opportunity to let everyone know?

 

So, now answer the questions that you failed to address at all in your response

What are you saying she did wrong? 

13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Why? Do you want to wish death upon her as you did anyone who disagrees with you? 

 

Reminder -- the asshat above said this below, without hesitation or regret. 

 

 

You are the one wanting a women tar and feathered you little creep. You lie, you are a complete hypocrite and spread the stupidest conspiracy theories ever. You are a real POS if there ever was one 

[transplantbillsfan]

 

9 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Lol. Washington Post isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

 

I bet myself last night when I posted that article that your response would be the immediate reaction after being posted.

 

I won.

 

You guys are just that predictable.

[Tiberius]

15 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Wait.....wasn’t Trump praising China a while ago? 

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency,” Trump tweeted on January 24. “It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

 

Horrible person! lol 

[GG]

57 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Don't you dare rain on my tin-foil-hat parade.

 

 

Keep it half on, because it's becoming quite apparent that China ***** the rest of the world.  If not deliberately releasing this thing, but by hiding the nature of the virus and its spread. 

 

Sadly it took the devastation in Italy to get a better picture of transmission and the ramifications of inaction.  That's why everyone in the west dragged their feet well into March, when prevention should have been in place in February.  Just think, NYS had less than 150 cases one month ago.  Everyone should be pissed off at the politicos trying to assign blame for not being prepared, when there should be unified blowback against China.

[transplantbillsfan]

8 hours ago, westside2 said:

What were your china loving liberals doing the first 70 days? 

Let's see.......

1. They called Trump a racist when he decided to ban travel to china.

2. Pelosi was telling people to come on down to Chinatown in February. 

3. During the most crucial time of the virus spreading in the US, the Democrats were holding a sham impeachment trial.

4. Let's not forget the mayor of NYC saying it's perfectly fine to go out on public. 

5. Pelosi rejecting the relief bill to add a ton of pork for her new "green ideas", which delayed the American people and small businesses the money they so desperately need.

6. Sending the endowment of the arts 25 million before anyone received their check. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that her friends are on the board. Yeah, just a coincidence. 

7. Bumbling biden saying he would not have closed the border. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if he were in charge?

 

Red Herrings the entire Trump base is clearly desperately clinging to in the hopes they can fool the broader American public.

 

Did you even read that article that had dozens of sources?

 

That was a rhetorical question. If you didn't read it, you're either going to lie and say you did or scramble to be intellectually honest at this moment and actually read it.

 

While I applaud the bravado in your bunker mentality, this crisis is definitively exposing to the American public and the World how big a mistake we made in the 2016 election that we will correct in 7 months time.

 

8 hours ago, westside2 said:

 

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more I missed. And you have the nerve to call Trump incompetent? Thank God he is in charge instead of the left! I know when this is over, he is the right person to turn this economy back into the huge success pre covid19. 

 

[123719bwiqrb]

29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Thread and article for consideration: 

 

 

T minus 1 day until MSM refutes and proves this 100% false.  They can't have this speculation see the light of day.

[transplantbillsfan]

8 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

That article is bull**** and every legitimate timeline of information absolutely destroys that 70 day accusation. 

 

Prove it.

 

If there's so much bull in an article you likely didn't even read, prove that all the points made in it were false. Or even a majority of them were false.

 

Find evidence to prove that the bulk of that article rather than a single sentence or statement is false.

 

You're making the claim that the article is bull****, so prove you're speaking from a part of you that's well-informed and not just arrogant and bull-headed

Edited April 5, 2020 by transplantbillsfan

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Keep it half on, because it's becoming quite apparent that China ***** the rest of the world.  If not deliberately releasing this thing, but by hiding the nature of the virus and its spread. 

 

Sadly it took the devastation in Italy to get a better picture of transmission and the ramifications of inaction.  That's why everyone in the west dragged their feet well into March, when prevention should have been in place in February.  Just think, NYS had less than 150 cases one month ago.  Everyone should be pissed off at the politicos trying to assign blame for not being prepared, when there should be unified blowback against China.

It makes sense when you're not prepared to assign blame.  I don't expect the president or any of these governors to say the buck stops with me.

[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Prove it

 

He did already in several posts. 

(It's called reading, I know you struggle with it, but I have faith you can do it!)

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, Foxx said:

so, your logic is based upon a rag that has had it in for Trump since before day one. uses 'unnamed sources' for much of it's conjecture, of which a good many are from, and i use this term lightly, the intelligence community. of whom has also been trying to commit a soft coup of the highest office in the land, that has been found to be corrupt beyond any semblance of any definition of corruption. 

 

i do believe your critical thinking skills are in need of a severe overhaul. get out of that echo chamber you reside in.

 

More Ad Hominem attacks. ..

 

I win again!

[shoshin]

7 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

 

T minus 1 day until MSM refutes and proves this 100% false.  They can't have this speculation see the light of day.

 

We already knew this was a bad flu season. COVID-19 symptoms are not flu symptoms though. If there was an uptick in extended fevers, people on ventilators, and those people were not testing positive for the flu, this data might mean something. Based on that story, it means nothing. Further given that her "story" shows a big spike in Texas for flu, but Texas has mostly been spared Covid-19, it further looks like nothing. 

 

That's just some hack looking for headlines. Beware people trying to backfit data to theories.  

Edited April 5, 2020 by shoshin