CEN-CAL17 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) Senior Bowl 2020 Senior Bowl notes... mostly based on players that have been brought up here on the board, positions highly talked about and players that just look the part or made plays. NORTH DEFENSE Jason Strowbridge-Edge UNC- Physical Specimen. Looks like an NFL player. Strong kid, quick off the line, fought through a few double teams. Good hands, grabs and pulls to get through. Doesn’t get pushed around and can anchor down to hold the edge. Got his hands up and batted a pass, showed some fire! Alton Robinson- DE Syracuse- played a lot of stand up End. Not the fastest or strongest. Shows decent ability overall not too impressed. Has good size. Bradley Anea-Edge Utah- Great size, quick off the edge. Edge rush is all he has. Plays the edge well. Vocal kid, shows intensity at times. Solid build, strong lower body. Lamar Jackson- CB Nebraska- big CB, physical kid, loves to press and use his size, popped Claypool off the line with no problem. Jalen Elliot- S Notre Dame- Thick build, not the tallest, maybe 5’11”. led all drills. Enthusiastic. Confident kid. Vocal. Pretty good range playing centerfield getting to the ball. Evan Weaver LB Cal- Skinny lower body, but the kid is a baller, intense. Flys around, made a few plays. Effort kid. I guess this kid was a tackling machine this year. JOSHUA Uche- OLB Michigan- Quick, too small to play DE. May be a 3-4 OLB. Very solid build, not to tall. Fast around the edge, another guy that’s just a speed rush off the edge. OFFENSE- Adam Troutman- TE Dayton- Solid looking TE, physically looks the most solid of all TEs on the North Squad. Good route runner, deceptively quick. Soft hands. James Proche- WR SMU- Quick, led all drills, smallest WR on North Squad, accelerates full speed quickly after catch. Good hands fighting off defenders, at times defenders get the best of him due to strength. #1 punt returner, catches the ball with ease. Went up and caught a ball in triple coverage. Denzel Mims- WR Baylor- Tall Lean kid, decent speed, stacks the DB well. Excels on the 9 route. Not very physical. Great at the 50/50 ball, went up over CB on an under thrown ball. Chase Claypool- WR Notre Dame- Biggest WR on North Squad, looks the part. Good size upper body. Good hands battling defenders. Not fast off the line, builds up speed gradually. Slow out of breaks, at times drags his toes. Michael Pittman JR- WR USC- Decent size, shorter legs compared to Claypool and Mims. Small lower torso. Seems to have a lot of wasted movement in and out of breaks. Quartney Davis WR Texas A&M- solid size, thick lower body, legs look strong. Great hands, watches the ball in. Good speed. Quick off the ball. Catches the ball even in draped coverage. Fights for the ball. KJ Hill - WR OSU- slightly bigger than Proche. Not as quick and polished. At times gets lazy with his route running. Looks as if Proche May be faster as well. Gandy- Golden- WR Liberty- Not the biggest, not the smallest. Not physical. Decent hands, double caught a few. Not super fast, route running is nothing special but not bad. Dropped a deep ball, beat his guy by 3 steps. Whole crowd felt let down on a perfect pass! JOSHUA Kelly -RB UCLA- Impressive, compact running back, looks a lot like Singletary. Hits the hole hard, runs hard, great vision and ran between the tackles untouched 2-3 times for big gains. Solid build, looks to have a strong lower body, quick too. Dude is good! Tyler Bass- K Georgia Southern- Huge leg!!! Made 6 straight FGs. Made a 54 yard FG that would have been good from maybe 65 yards. MVPs- North Squad Jason Strowbridge James Proche/Quartney Davis Joshua Kelly Intriguing Player- Khaleke Hudson S Michigan SOUTH SQUAD Offense Kalija Lipscomb- WR Vandy- Shifty kid, in the same mold as James Proche. Almost identical in size. No where as good as Proche. Routes are not as crisp, Proche seemed better at press coverage. Van Jefferson-WR Florida-Decent size, fluid runner, smooth. Soft hands. Looks like Robert Foster as far as build. Probably best WR at the senior bowl. Route running is great, no wasted effort and speed through his cuts. Calvin Throckmorton- OL Oregon- Good size, quick feet. Moves smoothly and looks athletic but big. Dominated Zuniga on first rep. Playing LT. Dominated Lewis from Alabama. Throckmorton is this years Risner but more athletic. John Simpson- OG Clemson- Big kid. Anchors like nobody’s business. Won’t budge. Dude is powerful and he’s making the most of this Bowl practice. Collin Johnson-WR Texas- tall, but skinny. Nowhere near the build of Claypool. Did not look good against press coverage. I was not really impressed. DEFENSE Javon Kinlaw- DT South Carolina - Beast. Terrell Lewis-Edge/OLB Alabama- Lower body is skinny but he’s long. Lewis runs stiff, can NOT cover. Kyle Dugger- S Lenior Rhyne- Looks solid, fast kid, back pedal and turns with fluidity in drills. Under control. I need to find more on him. Azur Kamara- OLB Kansas- looks like a big FS. But he’s got good size. Think he was a late addition. Not very powerful. Once OL locks on he’s done. Not very instinctive. Jonathan Greenard- Edge/OLB Florida. This kid is athletic, can get low and bend around the edge. More quick than strong. Got pancakes by a running back on blocking drills. Beat Throckmorton on an inside move 1 on 1. Trevis Gipson- Edge Tulsa- strong, good size. Probably the thickest out of the group. Not super athletic or fast but looks better at the run game. DJ Wonnum- Edge South Carolina- Strong lower body. Was driving the LT 4-5 yards back. Solid looking kid, built just like Gipson. Gets over his toes at times and shoved in the ground. Anfernee Jennings- LB Alabama- Shorter kid. But quick, thick and diagnoses plays quickly. Reminds me of Dre Greenlaw from last year. Let me say.... McD and the entire Buffalo staff were locked on the WR drills. Last year Bobby Johnson was here, not this year. No Daboll this year either. Edited January 22, 2020 by CEN-CAL17 6 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I mentioned this in my updates of the schools that we've sent scouts to throughout the year; seems significant that we are one of 4 teams that are publicly known to have made a trip to Lenoir-Rhyne (obviously to see Dugger specifically). Seems like it might be something to keep an eye on, though his inclusion at the Senior Bowl suggests the cat might be out of the bag in terms of teams sleeping on him too much. And I wish we could justify taking a DT again so that we could take Kinlaw, but I suspect he might be out of our range anyways and I can't see us taking another first round DT even though he looks like a great one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemhoff Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 The Weaver kid from Cal is an absolute beast. Saw a couple of his games this last year and he was making plays all over the field. He reminded me of a combination of Paup and Poz put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, nemhoff said: The Weaver kid from Cal is an absolute beast. Saw a couple of his games this last year and he was making plays all over the field. He reminded me of a combination of Paup and Poz put together. I sat right between the Dallas Scouts and the Falcons Scouts and they were both talking him up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, nemhoff said: The Weaver kid from Cal is an absolute beast. Saw a couple of his games this last year and he was making plays all over the field. He reminded me of a combination of Paup and Poz put together. This 'homer' agrees: https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/pff-all-conference-weaver Good profile (doesn't seem like a fit in McD's scheme, however): https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/evan-weaver Edited January 22, 2020 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemhoff Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I sat right between the Dallas Scouts and the Falcons Scouts and they were both talking him up... He is huge, hits really hard, can move, but more than all of that he seriously leaves it all on the field. Total effort. And from my limited view was the heart and soul of that defense which does not have a ton of playmakers on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Strowbridge and Weaver work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I thought I heard Sal on WGR say Bobby Johnson was with the OL today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I thought I heard Sal on WGR say Bobby Johnson was with the OL today If he was I didn’t see him. But who knows, there’s a lot going on. But last year he was easy to spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 57 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: If he was I didn’t see him. But who knows, there’s a lot going on. But last year he was easy to spot. Well you'd think there's enough of Daboll that he'd be visible if he's there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Thanks for the writeup, @CEN-CAL17 Good stuff Whatcha know about this guy Ed Oliver tweeted about - Florida WR Tyrie Cleveland I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 4 hours ago, nemhoff said: The Weaver kid from Cal is an absolute beast. Saw a couple of his games this last year and he was making plays all over the field. He reminded me of a combination of Paup and Poz put together. He’s a favorite of PFF. Think they had him like top 15 in their mock or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 So . . . no punters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 5 hours ago, nemhoff said: The Weaver kid from Cal is an absolute beast. Saw a couple of his games this last year and he was making plays all over the field. He reminded me of a combination of Paup and Poz put together. Pauz? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey13 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 15 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Senior Bowl 2020 Senior Bowl notes... mostly based on players that have been brought up here on the board, positions highly talked about and players that just look the part or made plays. NORTH DEFENSE Jason Strowbridge-Edge UNC- Physical Specimen. Looks like an NFL player. Strong kid, quick off the line, fought through a few double teams. Good hands, grabs and pulls to get through. Doesn’t get pushed around and can anchor down to hold the edge. Got his hands up and batted a pass, showed some fire! Alton Robinson- DE Syracuse- played a lot of stand up End. Not the fastest or strongest. Shows decent ability overall not too impressed. Has good size. Bradley Anea-Edge Utah- Great size, quick off the edge. Edge rush is all he has. Plays the edge well. Vocal kid, shows intensity at times. Solid build, strong lower body. Lamar Jackson- CB Nebraska- big CB, physical kid, loves to press and use his size, popped Claypool off the line with no problem. Jalen Elliot- S Notre Dame- Thick build, not the tallest, maybe 5’11”. led all drills. Enthusiastic. Confident kid. Vocal. Pretty good range playing centerfield getting to the ball. Evan Weaver LB Cal- Skinny lower body, but the kid is a baller, intense. Flys around, made a few plays. Effort kid. I guess this kid was a tackling machine this year. JOSHUA Uche- OLB Michigan- Quick, too small to play DE. May be a 3-4 OLB. Very solid build, not to tall. Fast around the edge, another guy that’s just a speed rush off the edge. Why didn't the NFL think of this instead of pigeonholing him on Offense. Lamar Jackson going to take the NFL by storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Thanks for the writeup, @CEN-CAL17 Good stuff Whatcha know about this guy Ed Oliver tweeted about - Florida WR Tyrie Cleveland I think? Following my own post, sorry! Found this. Sounds like at least some folks think he is limited. https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/tyrie-cleveland/OrKcR3E0JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoon Blues Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Thanks for the work Cen Cal. Good stuff! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 13 hours ago, Ennjay said: So . . . no punters? The punter from South Carolina, tall lanky kid in the North Squad, Joseph Charlton was booming kicks.... talking 65 yards. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Weaver, Dugger and Jefferson seem to be standing out based on the reports I’ve been reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Is South Carolina WR Bryan Edwards at the Senior Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, MikeSpeed said: Is South Carolina WR Bryan Edwards at the Senior Bowl? No, his knee injury didn't progress enough. https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/article239461838.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Weaver, Dugger and Jefferson seem to be standing out based on the reports I’ve been reading. I think Jefferson might end up a good one. Need to dig into his tape more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Very fair analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I think Jefferson might end up a good one. Need to dig into his tape more In the Fairburn article, Beane did talk about the route tree and running routes. If the goal is to help Allen as much as possible this year, the more developed this trait is, the better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: In the Fairburn article, Beane did talk about the route tree and running routes. If the goal is to help Allen as much as possible this year, the more developed this trait is, the better... I'll go a step further and point out in his end of season presser, Beane specifically mentioned that "Brian's offense is very complex" and the need to see how intelligent the different WR are. It has been speculated that one factor hindering Foster and Williams from seeing the field was ability to master the route tree and route options. I don't think it's an accident that two of our three most successful receivers were QB in high school (Beasley and Knox) Taking the "Is what it Is" approach to Daboll and his offense, that aspect of the trait might be critical to a new WR ability to contribute. If that's so, I hope they hedge their bets with bringing in at least one vet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Joshua Kelly (RB/UCLA) is absolutely dripping in process. Ran great for a terrible Bruin team. Strong runner with great vision and instincts. You could get him in the 5th/6th round. Perfect backup to Devin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'll go a step further and point out in his end of season presser, Beane specifically mentioned that "Brian's offense is very complex" and the need to see how intelligent the different WR are. It has been speculated that one factor hindering Foster and Williams from seeing the field was ability to master the route tree and route options. I don't think it's an accident that two of our three most successful receivers were QB in high school (Beasley and Knox) Taking the "Is what it Is" approach to Daboll and his offense, that aspect of the trait might be critical to a new WR ability to contribute. If that's so, I hope they hedge their bets with bringing in at least one vet. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'll go a step further and point out in his end of season presser, Beane specifically mentioned that "Brian's offense is very complex" and the need to see how intelligent the different WR are. It has been speculated that one factor hindering Foster and Williams from seeing the field was ability to master the route tree and route options. I don't think it's an accident that two of our three most successful receivers were QB in high school (Beasley and Knox) Taking the "Is what it Is" approach to Daboll and his offense, that aspect of the trait might be critical to a new WR ability to contribute. If that's so, I hope they hedge their bets with bringing in at least one vet. I'm mystified by NFL coaches who force complex schemes onto their young players, especially knowing they'd be going with Allen who was more raw coming out of college. They started 2019 with that young QB, rookie RB, a brand new (minus Dawkins) OL, and still Daboll wanted to do only his thing. Offensive game planning requires significant precision and thinking that unit would somehow come together with that scheme was absurd. In fact, I read on this board and McD said himself that they had a whole new offense. (EDIT: Go figure. ) It stands to reason you modify what you're doing on that side until they get it. It'd be better to have fewer plays that players know really well than this complex system that only a few (veteran) types can. One would think that the OC in his second year could recognize this, but I don't know how observant Daboll is. He seems removed from on-field stuff, as evidenced by his play-calling in the Houston game. Edited January 23, 2020 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said: The punter from South Carolina, tall lanky kid in the North Squad, Joseph Charlton was booming kicks.... talking 65 yards. Thanks. I can't explain why (other than the obvious I want everything Bills to be great) but the weakness and unreliability of our punting game bothered me more and more as the season went on no matter what Bojorquez did. He was supposed to be a thunderfoot stud when they picked him up off NE's waivers and really on his best days he's only a journeyman gap filler. I don't know what priority to give a punter, but if Charlton is that good and he's there in the third round given how late the Bills draft this year . . . is that crazy talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Ennjay said: Thanks. I can't explain why (other than the obvious I want everything Bills to be great) but the weakness and unreliability of our punting game bothered me more and more as the season went on no matter what Bojorquez did. He was supposed to be a thunderfoot stud when they picked him up off NE's waivers and really on his best days he's only a journeyman gap filler. I don't know what priority to give a punter, but if Charlton is that good and he's there in the third round given how late the Bills draft this year . . . is that crazy talk? In recent years the elite punters have been typically drafted in the 5th. Wisnowsky went in the 4th last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I was fortunate enough to be a scout several years ago at the NFL level but left to spend more time with my growing family. Over the next month I would not look into who they are meeting with to much as teams will meet with upwards of 30 prospects. I think the Bills are going to look to move up multiple times throughout the draft as they only have a few glaring holes and with their current cap situation expect them to fill a few of them via free agency. However, I will caution everyone this regime is not a splash regime and personally do not expect big name free agents. I think we will see them go after some tier 2 guys that fit their mode and don’t break the bank especially with some key players contracts coming up. Just my two cents and will see what happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Ennjay said: Thanks. I can't explain why (other than the obvious I want everything Bills to be great) but the weakness and unreliability of our punting game bothered me more and more as the season went on no matter what Bojorquez did. He was supposed to be a thunderfoot stud when they picked him up off NE's waivers and really on his best days he's only a journeyman gap filler. I don't know what priority to give a punter, but if Charlton is that good and he's there in the third round given how late the Bills draft this year . . . is that crazy talk? I watched Wishnowsky from San Fran punt last year at the Senior Bowl.... I think Charlton May have a bigger leg!!! I didn’t measure 1 of his punts during live drills but if I had to guess, it went from his 20 to the opposite 10-15... a few times may 15 to the opposite 15.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just looked it up... Wishnowsky and Charlton both averaged 47.7 yards a punt there senior years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No, his knee injury didn't progress enough. https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/article239461838.html Thanks for the update. Hope he's good for the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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