Hedge Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/its-missiles-did-little-damage-but-iran-has-more-potent-weapons/ar-BBYLgnN?li=BBnb7Kz The latest cycle of attacks between the United States and Iran started with a rocket attack that killed an American contractor in Iraq. The United States retaliated with a strike on an Iranian-backed militia, beginning a cycle of escalation. WTF? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 13 hours ago, DC Tom said: Probably not. Asymmetrical warfare still takes time for planning and staff work, particularly when it's as well-organized as the IRGC is. And the nature of asymmetrical warfare is that it doesn't really degrade. As long as you maintain any sort of threat, you have a viable capability. And Quds force is still a very viable threat - they demonstrated that last week, and killing Soleimani didn't degrade that at all. ... all true. however, would it not be wise to think that there were already plans on the table waiting to go into action here? i don't think being asymmetrical means that you are always in a defensive planning posture. sure some actions may require a prolonged planning and implementation phase but for that to be your only methods of reaction i think is not where it's at, strategically speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Gary Busey said: Guessing it was for the hundreds of support staff that work at the pentagon rather than our leaders but maybe Pence got a pet in. Newsflash asswhole, Pence doesn't work at the Pentagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Tiberius said: Oh boy, Lindsey is all hot and bothered again. In response to criticism from Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) over the classified Iran briefing by Trump administration officials Wednesday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said he believed they were “overreacting” and suggested their defiance was “empowering the enemy.” His comments came after Lee had disparaged the briefing, calling it “probably the worst briefing I’ve seen at least on a military issue in the nine years I’ve served in the United States Senate.” Lee and Paul, who are the most libertarian-leaning Republicans in the Senate, both indicated after the briefing that they would support the Democratic-led war powers resolution, which seeks to limit President Trump’s military actions regarding Iran. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-live-updates/2020/01/08/c835c218-31a0-11ea-9313-6cba89b1b9fb_story.html#link-3FBPYR7YLI3JTC7TAQOYSMGRRY second video, which by the way, no mention of in the main stream propaganda machine. https://twitter.com/embryglobal/status/1215075433428987905 additionally. owing to/being owned by certain lobbies is never a good idea. https://twitter.com/RadGeekpartduex/status/1215087092335771648 Edited January 9, 2020 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Yeah, I don't think Iran wants this to go any further. That response was as weak as you can get outside of doing nothing. And the conspiracy theorist voice in my head is telling me that the mullahs were growing jealous/worried about Soleimani's popularity and influence and sold him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Foxx said: second video, which by the way, no mention of in the main stream propaganda machine. https://twitter.com/embryglobal/status/1215075433428987905 additionally. owing to/being owned by certain lobbies is never a good idea. https://twitter.com/RadGeekpartduex/status/1215087092335771648 Lindsey Graham reminds me of the old man in family guy. "Wanna see some pictures I took of myself?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) I think the Iranians accidentally shot that plane down with an AA gun, not a missile. In the context of shooting missiles into Iraq, somebody heard a plane, got nervous, shot and happened to hit the wings of a fully-fueled 737. That's likely why the plane was on fire as it crashed. There were some crash site images that showed perforations in the fuselage. You'll know something is up if the Ukrainians can't get access to the debris or the black boxes. Edited January 9, 2020 by dpberr 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warren Zevon Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, dpberr said: I think the Iranians accidentally shot that plane down with an AA gun, not a missile. In the context of shooting missiles into Iraq, somebody heard a plane, got nervous, shot and happened to hit the wings of a fully-fueled 737. That's likely why the plane was on fire as it crashed. There were some crash site images that showed perforations in the fuselage. You'll know something is up if the Ukrainians can't get access to the debris or the black boxes. Yep - no way it was a missile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Lindsey Graham reminds me of the old man in family guy. "Wanna see some pictures I took of myself?" And Adam Schiff reminds me of greased up deaf guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 MSNBC showing just how poor their logic actually is. Broken Brains. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Soleimani died in 2015 > Crossfire You have no credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, dpberr said: I think the Iranians accidentally shot that plane down with an AA gun, not a missile. In the context of shooting missiles into Iraq, somebody heard a plane, got nervous, shot and happened to hit the wings of a fully-fueled 737. That's likely why the plane was on fire as it crashed. There were some crash site images that showed perforations in the fuselage. You'll know something is up if the Ukrainians can't get access to the debris or the black boxes. Missiles cause perforations too. So do catastrophically failing turbofan engines, for that matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: MSNBC showing just how poor their logic actually is. Broken Brains. Well, in a way we did. Just like we're provoking the Iranian people to ditch their Mullahs for a better national governance - one that doesn't worship death, but seeks peace and prosperity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Woops https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/plane-crash-us-officials-confident-iran-shot-down-passenger-jet-bound-for-ukraine-today-2020-01-09-live-stream-updates/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Missiles cause perforations too. So do catastrophically failing turbofan engines, for that matter. Yeah, but ballistics gonna ballistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Missiles cause perforations too. So do catastrophically failing turbofan engines, for that matter. Sure. Wouldn't with all our gadgetry in Iraq, we'd see one of those missiles launch? Since the US/Iraqis had a three hour warning prior to the missile attack, I'd imagine we'd have a lot of assets looking at Iranian airspace at the time. Do you buy one of the more reliable aircraft engines exploding like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Poor Kap https://babylonbee.com/news/iranian-officials-say-they-have-no-interest-in-signing-colin-kapernick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 What if any of the Gang of Eight were seen as a threat, tied to any of the sources, or also were being surveilled by any of those methods? Video of Pence saying this at the link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/pence-says-sharing-intel-congress-could-compromise-sources-n1112791?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, dpberr said: Sure. Wouldn't with all our gadgetry in Iraq, we'd see one of those missiles launch? Since the US/Iraqis had a three hour warning prior to the missile attack, I'd imagine we'd have a lot of assets looking at Iranian airspace at the time. Do you buy one of the more reliable aircraft engines exploding like that? No, I'm of the opinion they accidentally shot it down. But we wouldn't necessarily see the launch, in any spectrum (visual, IR, microwave). Mostly, was disagreeing with the implication of "It must have been gunfire, because perforations." 4 minutes ago, Hedge said: What if any of the Gang of Eight were seen as a threat, tied to any of the sources, or also were being surveilled by any of those methods? Video of Pence saying this at the link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/pence-says-sharing-intel-congress-could-compromise-sources-n1112791?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma Yeah...anything told to the Gang of Eight is in John Kerry's hands before the day is out, and in Iranian hands the next day. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Nanker said: Well, in a way we did. Just like we're provoking the Iranian people to ditch their Mullahs for a better national governance - one that doesn't worship death, but seeks peace and prosperity. they are stating that mullahs are not interested in peace and prosperity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hedge said: What if any of the Gang of Eight were seen as a threat, tied to any of the sources, or also were being surveilled by any of those methods? Video of Pence saying this at the link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/pence-says-sharing-intel-congress-could-compromise-sources-n1112791?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma Right. Let's tell tell Schiff and just wait for the press conference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Randy, the winds of ***** are definitely a-blowin' in Iran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hedge said: I'm rather surprised Iran hasn't brought up the USS Vincennes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, DC Tom said: No, I'm of the opinion they accidentally shot it down. But we wouldn't necessarily see the launch, in any spectrum (visual, IR, microwave). Mostly, was disagreeing with the implication of "It must have been gunfire, because perforations." Yeah...anything told to the Gang of Eight is in John Kerry's hands before the day is out, and in Iranian hands the next day. Understood. Thought if it was a missile, we'd have seen it and Trump would have been at his press conference yesterday claiming the Iranians shot it down with a missile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hedge said: But it's still Trump's fault. If he hadn't provoked Iran, they wouldn't have had any reason to be on alert or firing missiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 https://twitter.com/NarimanGharib/status/1215334836937928705 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warren Zevon Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, keepthefaith said: But it's still Trump's fault. If he hadn't provoked Iran, they wouldn't have had any reason to be on alert or firing missiles. Good point - haven't thought of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary Busey said: Good point - haven't thought of that You hadn't thought of that? Really? I'm a conservative and this was the very first thought I had when I asked myself what the sub-humans would try to make of this whole thing. If they had not attacked the embassy this whole thing would have been avoided. How far back should we go? '79? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, dpberr said: Understood. Thought if it was a missile, we'd have seen Not necessarily. It was a couple hundred miles away from anything outside a satellite. And as a general principle, SAMs are made to not be seen (on the idea that if it can't be seen it's harder to dodge.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dubs Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hedge said: reckless jingoism? WTF!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Hedge said: Brennan and Comey specifically kept intelligence about the investigation into multiple campaigns from the Gang of 8 during 2016. ***** him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Hedge said: <br /> Yup, they (accidentally) shot it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, Hedge said: "This may well have been unintentional." My God, Trudeau's an idiot. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, Hedge said: What a POS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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