Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I wanted to the Bills to best the Patriots more than anyone, but after reading Twitter and some of the comments in here, I can’t help but feel that fans are overvaluing this loss to New England. It would have been fun to beat New England but in the grand scheme, the Patriots were never losing to Miami next week. The Bills would be a 5 seed either way. I think that some fans don’t understand that this wasn’t for the AFC East Championship In two weeks when we play Houston or KC, what effect would a win versus NE really have? Would a Bills victory over NE mean anything in the Wildcard round? Absolutely not. Does the loss mean that they are any less likely not to pull off an upset? Probably not Most fans won’t even think about this game in two weeks and just like the players they’ll be “onto Houston” or wherever else. I also don’t seem this loss as having any effect on players. As great as the Bills fan base is, they are super reactionary, and many online are saying “this shows the Bills won’t ever win a playoff game. One and done.” WTF Overall point here is either way, we would have been the 5th seed. This loss means nothing other than showing that the Bills might be a few players away from challenging for a Super Bowl, but overall they are trending upward 9 3 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 You play to win 3 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Phil, you make good points, mine only is we had the best chance in 20 years of beating Brady in Foxborough. I do hope we don’t rest anyone healthy. I understand Morse, or anyone else with an injury we don’t know about yet like a hamstring, etc. We should be focused and I can only imagine McD is thinking we need to go into the Wildcard weekend with momentum and would be nice to have the best record in 20-25 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: You play to win Of course... but a loss here isn’t as devastating as a lot of fans are making it sound and a win would be pretty much meaningless after a week or week so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Winning or losing doesn't change anything for the Bills. However, this game needed to be treated like a playoff game. It wasn't by the players or coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said: Phil, you make good points, mine only is we had the best chance in 20 years of beating Brady in Foxborough. I do hope we don’t rest anyone healthy. I understand Morse, or anyone else with an injury we don’t know about yet like a hamstring, etc. We should be focused and I can only imagine McD is thinking we need to go into the Wildcard weekend with momentum and would be nice to have the best record in 20-25 years. Yeah it would have been nice but it’s not like there was anything riding on the game. Who really cares about bragging rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I dunno. I'm at a point of psychosis - I'm seriously worried about my mental health. That team has dominated us in a way that is one-sided to the extreme. I'm really grappling w/ it right now - trying to figure out different rationalizations, or things outside of my "sports fan" life that might make me feel better. I don't think any fan should have to go through this, though. I don't care how whiny it sounds. I just want to beat that team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Yes perhaps this game meant nothing in the standings, but emotionally and mentally it was huge ... no denying that they weren’t up to it on both sides of the ball ... it’s yet another wait till next year moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: Winning or losing doesn't change anything for the Bills. However, this game needed to be treated like a playoff game. It wasn't by the players or coaches. And you know this....how? Because many analysts commented that it felt like a playoff game. The Bills defense didn’t play as well but I don’t question effort on either side of the ball 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said: Of course... but a loss here isn’t as devastating as a lot of fans are making it sound and a win would be pretty much meaningless after a week or week so. a win would have been huge for the Bills going forward they gave their best and weren’t good enough today Nice to have this chance for once after 20 years of trash , hopefully more to come 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Yes perhaps this game meant nothing in the standings, but emotionally and mentally it was huge ... no denying that they weren’t up to it on both sides of the ball ... it’s yet another wait till next year moment Emotionally it was huge....FOR THE FANS. This game will have no emotional effect on the players which is more important 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 just think of it this way the best bills team in 20+ years still couldn't beat the worst patriots team in 20 years. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Phil The Thrill said: Emotionally it was huge....FOR THE FANS. This game will have no emotional effect on the players which is more important sure it will you think they pranced around the dressing room and said who cares? Did you play sports? Did you laugh after a hard loss in football? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: a win would have been huge for the Bills going forward they gave their best and weren’t good enough today Nice to have this chance for once after 20 years of trash , hopefully more to come They didn’t give their best. The players might have but the coaches didn’t. conservative on both sides of the ball. I’m accustomed to it on offense. But not in defense. Looked like Dave Wannstedt was back calling our plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: a win would have been huge for the Bills going forward they gave their best and weren’t good enough today Nice to have this chance for once after 20 years of trash , hopefully more to come Again, I think you are overanalyzing this loss. I don’t think it’s that simple. That the players says “We can beat the Patriots so we can beat anyone!” It doesn’t work like that. Teams often come out flat after having a big emotional win. Fans are upset because NE always wins, but it’s different with players. This game means very little to the overall direction on this franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Tesla03 said: just think of it this way the best bills team in 20+ years still couldn't beat the worst patriots team in 20 years. Exactly how I feel about it. And that makes me think it's psychological at this point, which is the worst. It's so hard to get past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 In the scheme of things for this year, you are probably right. However, a win would have been a HUGE culture builder for the offseason and beyond. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: sure it will you think they pranced around the dressing room and said who cares? Did you play sports? Did you laugh after a hard loss in football? I’m not saying that, but I think players are in as a depressed State of mind as many of the Bills fans appear to be. They know the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I always over analyze. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Success said: Exactly how I feel about it. And that makes me think it's psychological at this point, which is the worst. It's so hard to get past that. So is this about you? Or is this about the Bills? Because my point is, I don’t feel a win or loss will have any effect when they step on the field during the Wildcard game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Of course... but a loss here isn’t as devastating as a lot of fans are making it sound and a win would be pretty much meaningless after a week or week so. The meaning of a win here would be that the Bills would show they can take that step, stand up to the Bully in Foxborough and Win on their ground. In order to take a step and show that we're really ready to compete with anyone, we need to be able to beat the Pats on their home ground. The good news is that Allen played far better this game overall. He didn't turn the ball over; he didn't fumble; he didn't make stupid plays. The bad news is that 1) our offense didn't make enough plays 2) our defense couldn't stop a freakin' Patriots nosebleed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I think the effort was there by the players ( not necessarily the execution) but the coaches went 99% simple and vanilla. They knew a win wasn’t going to improve their spot and they need their best defensive work to win in the playoffs. The passive gameplan vs a hobbled and slow Brady said it all. They we’re far from embarrassed , and players got valuable experience vs a top defensive unit. However, they weren’t going to waste their best stuff ( or put new things on film) in this game. If the game was for the AFCE and a bye week, they would have went after Brady relentlessly. His numbers this year when pressured vs not pressured are a stark contrast to previous years. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: And you know this....how? Because many analysts commented that it felt like a playoff game. The Bills defense didn’t play as well but I don’t question effort on either side of the ball Yeah, because many analysts commented that it felt like a playoff game. Unreal. How about this, Phil, maybe because NE is always in the playoffs, will be in the playoffs, and we may have to face them again in the playoffs in the near future at Foxboro? Beating NE would have given the team much needed momentum and confidence that they could beat any team on the road. The Bills laid an egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 We really had the chance to put the hurt on NE today...I agree that they most likely win vs Miami next and the division title was a pipe dream...but...we could have really dash their hope for a bye week....now, once again, they'll have a bye....get a home game and straight into the AFC Championship game...for the 9th year straight....that's what was at stake this evening.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Three things that concern me: 1 - The D line didn’t touch Brady at all other than a couple hits. 2- Almost all of Brady’s completions were 10 yards or less. I understand McD’s system is zone but to continually allow Brady to dink and dunk his way down the field when you weren’t getting any pressure on him doesn’t make any sense to me. 3- How do you let Edelman, who is basically on one leg, beat you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tesla03 said: just think of it this way the best bills team in 20+ years still couldn't beat the worst patriots team in 20 years. This isn’t the worst Patriots team in 20 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said: In the scheme of things for this year, you are probably right. However, a win would have been a HUGE culture builder for the offseason and beyond. Would it really though? Do you think a win vs NE. Followed by a loss let’s say in the Wildcard round would carry over into the offseason? Because I don’t. I think a wildcard win would be a much bigger victory and I also think that after a wildcard loss, fans forget about the NE win. It would have been nice for fans but for this postseason or behind, this loss is not the big deal many are making it out to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Phil The Thrill said: Would it really though? Do you think a win vs NE. Followed by a loss let’s say in the Wildcard round would carry over into the offseason? Because I don’t. I think a wildcard win would be a much bigger victory and I also think that after a wildcard loss, fans forget about the NE win. It would have been nice for fans but for this postseason or behind, this loss is not the big deal many are making it out to be How does a win vs New England preclude a win in the playoffs this year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said: They didn’t give their best. The players might have but the coaches didn’t. conservative on both sides of the ball. I’m accustomed to it on offense. But not in defense. Looked like Dave Wannstedt was back calling our plays. Playcalling is the ultimate scapegoat for this team. I think the bigger problem was the execution. The Bills tackled poorly and got beat upfront on both sides of the ball. How is this playcalling? Also Josh Allen had an open Dawson Knox in the endzone. He missed the throw. How is that playcalling? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 McD is now 3 years 0-6 vs the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: I wanted to the Bills to best the Patriots more than anyone, but after reading Twitter and some of the comments in here, I can’t help but feel that fans are overvaluing this loss to New England. It would have been fun to beat New England but in the grand scheme, the Patriots were never losing to Miami next week. The Bills would be a 5 seed either way. I think that some fans don’t understand that this wasn’t for the AFC East Championship In two weeks when we play Houston or KC, what effect would a win versus NE really have? Would a Bills victory over NE mean anything in the Wildcard round? Absolutely not. Does the loss mean that they are any less likely not to pull off an upset? Probably not Most fans won’t even think about this game in two weeks and just like the players they’ll be “onto Houston” or wherever else. I also don’t seem this loss as having any effect on players. As great as the Bills fan base is, they are super reactionary, and many online are saying “this shows the Bills won’t ever win a playoff game. One and done.” WTF Overall point here is either way, we would have been the 5th seed. This loss means nothing other than showing that the Bills might be a few players away from challenging for a Super Bowl, but overall they are trending upward This game was critical to set the tone between the two teams going forward. They knew they dodged a bullet against us in Buffalo. This was the game to make a statement. Instead another loss. Brady is 31-1 against us. They have beats us for 2 straight decades. McD is now 0-6 and in the same as every coach since Levy. Why do think any game against these guys is not important? Beating them is an urgent priority. The fans are correct to react and the players better learn they are several rings on the ladder below the legit contenders. Making a wildcard is nice but this was our first playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said: They didn’t give their best. The players might have but the coaches didn’t. conservative on both sides of the ball. I’m accustomed to it on offense. But not in defense. Looked like Dave Wannstedt was back calling our plays. They called a style of D that showed fear and respect for Brady imo. I’m not certain why, because Brady hasn’t shown much this season. We needed to make him prove he can beat pressure, because Tommy has never dealt well with pressure (Giants Super Bowls), and now has a weak oline. Instead, we opted to play it safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, row_33 said: You play to win 1 exception now* Rest your starters against the JETZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said: How does a win vs New England preclude a win in the playoffs this year? It doesn’t but a win versus NE doesn’t guarantee a victory in the Wildcard either 1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said: McD is now 3 years 0-6 vs the Pats. They should fire him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Before the game I wanted the bills to put Tre White on Edelman all game and let any other WR beat us. This team does dumb ***** constantly. Clock management terrible again as always. Decisions on challenge plays are on the level of a pre schooler. It’s sad because the team itself it pretty good. Just so many consistently dumb tendencies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, SirAndrew said: They called a style of D that showed fear and respect for Brady imo. I’m not certain why, because Brady hasn’t shown much this season. We needed to make him prove he can beat pressure, because Tommy has never dealt well with pressure (Giants Super Bowls), and now has a weak oline. Instead, we opted to play it safe. Nope you are wrong. Brady is very good against pressure from the blitz. He will pick a defense apart. He has struggled with pressure up the middle from the defensive line. Unfortunately the Bills got little pressure from their front 4 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: McD is now 3 years 0-6 vs the Pats. They’re still better, just not by nearly as much as they have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Before the game I wanted the bills to put Tre White on Edelman all game and let any other WR beat us. This team does dumb ***** constantly. Clock management terrible again as always. Decisions on challenge plays are on the level of a pre schooler. It’s sad because the team itself it pretty good. Just so many consistently dumb tendencies Dumb tendencies....yet they were 1 overthrow to an open TE from winning. Oh and they won 10 games.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: It doesn’t but a win versus NE doesn’t guarantee a victory in the Wildcard either They should fire him I disagree but if we collapse in 2020 I’m all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Phil The Thrill said: Nope you are wrong. Brady is very good against pressure from the blitz. He will pick a defense apart. He has struggled with pressure up the middle from the defensive line. Unfortunately the Bills got little pressure from their front 4 today. He’s not good vs pressure this year. They didn’t go all out to pressure him and win, and it showed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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