Antonio Brown: Apology Tour - Preparing for return?

[Irv]

Maybe the dude has CTE.  Something's wrong. 

[Niagara Bill]

8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

We'll keep posting about AB to keep you entertained.  

Once again, why. He is a piece of sheeet as a human being and team mate..

Unless you are Sigmund Freud his behavior should never be rewarded.

 

[Bubba Gump]

***** AB. I'm gonna start referring to him as PAB (punk ass beyotch).

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Once again, why. He is a piece of sheeet as a human being and team mate..

Unless you are Sigmund Freud his behavior should never be rewarded.

 

It’s a story whether you want to acknowledge it or not.  He’s a HOF caliber player who went crazy and throwing his career away.  
 

His behavior isn’t being rewarded.  His behavior is the complete opposite of that.

[Herc11]

4 hours ago, CBennett said:

I dont ever "cheer/root" for that..but that said I will 100% NOT FEEL SORRY for him if that happens either.  When people do stupid things and reap the rewards of stupidity...I almost never feel bad for them if its sports, people wrestling with bears, handling snakes,jumping into lion pits, swimming with sharks..when something inevitably goes wrong...its really hard to feel bad for them..

 

I get that, but AB is a special kind of waste of oxygen. He has treated others without an ounce of decency or respect for years. He deserves the same in return. Screw helping him. I dont care if the guy has CTE or whatever other excuse he or others try to give him for his disgusting behavior. 

 

His apology tour is not a result of him changing or  becoming a better person. You don't change that who you are that drastically over the course of a month or two. He's just come to realize that money wont be there forever and is only out for #1 like he has always been.

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Bipolar and psychiatric drugs in general are not conducive to being a professional athlete. It’s not uncommon to see someone gain 50 to 100 pounds when starting these meds. Factor in that these drugs are mainly sedatives and tranquilizers which can diminish balance as well as hand eye coordination, therein lies the problem for AB. Football is over for him and the longer he goes off the meds, the more his brain will fry. If he remains in psychosis for too long he may never be the same as he was.

I am not so sure he has ever been medicated to begin with in my opinion and I am in the medical field he has had a tbi or undiagnosed bipolar. Hopefully he doesnt kill himself or someone one day- its sad to see.

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

 

So what he's really saying is...

In context the "mostly you, a little bit of me" is actually a compliment. Hes saying my production was "mostly you, a little bit of me" "never realized how good I had it"

 

Probably the nicest thing he's ever said lol

3 hours ago, Irv said:

Maybe the dude has CTE.  Something's wrong. 

100% Irv

 

I went through years of dark days after I was done playing because head injuries

 

Completely changed my personality

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

what step is he on his road to recovery? 

[njbuff]

Who’s going to take this loon onto their team?

[BringBackFergy]

AB says: “I’mma be at the combine”
 

https://amp.tmz.com/2020/02/15/antonio-brown-nfl-combine-meeting-apology/

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 2/13/2020 at 5:07 PM, Buffalo716 said:

In context the "mostly you, a little bit of me" is actually a compliment. Hes saying my production was "mostly you, a little bit of me" "never realized how good I had it"

 

Probably the nicest thing he's ever said lol

100% Irv

 

I went through years of dark days after I was done playing because head injuries

Completely changed my personality

 

So you used the past tense vs  "still going through"; not wanting to be personally intrusive, but curious if you were able to improve from that point and what (if you can share) turned it?  Again if too intrusive no offense intended and totally down with no answer.

 

People outside looking in tend to see the TBI as a permanent thing, once dark days always gonna be dark

[Matt_In_NH]

On 12/19/2019 at 7:42 AM, Binghamton Beast said:

I think the Browns should bring him in. They have a stable enough locker room to handle AB.

 

And they could tell him they made the team nickname his last name, I bet he would love that

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So you used the past tense vs  "still going through"; not wanting to be personally intrusive, but curious if you were able to improve from that point and what (if you can share) turned it?  Again if too intrusive no offense intended and totally down with no answer.

 

People outside looking in tend to see the TBI as a permanent thing, once dark days always gonna be dark

Yea I was able to start to slowly improve after about 5-6 years of no contact football

 

It was definitely a long road and I battled depression and other stuff but I eventually became myself again

 

I was a totally different person for about 4-5 years. Angry , confused , jealous, my mind wasn't working properly... Like the circuits were shorting

 

I know it was a gradual healing process but I really woke up one morning and just knew I was different,in a good way

 

Like I felt like me again

[Rc2catch]

I didn’t scroll through 20+ pages to see if this was on here.. But super funny. For me anyways. The former NFL tight end white boy schooled Antonio brown on how to make a rap song.. 
 

 

https://nesn.com/2020/02/youtube-star-logan-paul-trolls-antonio-brown-in-nsfw-diss-track/

 

direct video if you don’t wanna read the story behind it 

https://youtu.be/KZCc-StOrvU

Edited February 15, 2020 by Rc2catch

[BringBackFergy]

When I think of players who have given chocolate penises to DJ’s/media members, I think of Fred Jackson, Kent Hull, Andy Dalton and now AB. It’s just a nice way to say “Hey, I appreciate you having me here and I’m doing better”

 

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/antonio-brown-gifts-charlamagne-and-dj-envy-chocolate-penises-news.103759.html?_amp

[H2o]

AB going to the combine?

https://www.tmz.com/2020/02/15/antonio-brown-nfl-combine-meeting-apology/

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 2/15/2020 at 4:59 PM, BringBackFergy said:

When I think of players who have given chocolate penises to DJ’s/media members, I think of Fred Jackson, Kent Hull, Andy Dalton and now AB. It’s just a nice way to say “Hey, I appreciate you having me here and I’m doing better”

 

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/antonio-brown-gifts-charlamagne-and-dj-envy-chocolate-penises-news.103759.html?_amp

 

Wait Wat?

[BringBackFergy]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Wait Wat?

Forgot to hit the “sarcasm” button. Need to talk to SDS about that. 

[Cripple Creek]

If I'm Beane I'm not adverse to making a very heavily incentive laden contract offer.  Really nothing to lose with Brown and the upside is something that everyone understands.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

If I'm Beane I'm not adverse to making a very heavily incentive laden contract offer.  Really nothing to lose with Brown and the upside is something that everyone understands.  

 

[shudder] I do hope you are not Beane.

 

I think that AB has “mad issues”.  Being photographed with his smiley Babymomma at a nightclub and handing out chocolate penises as gifts on a radio show doesn’t exactly yield confidence that he’s truly addressed them and is willing to 1) buckle down, study, and master a complex offense 2) practice consistently to build confidence with a young, sometimes erratic QB 3) be a good teammate, especially if he doesn’t get the targets he thinks he should when he thinks he should get ‘em

 

 

[BringBackFergy]

16 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

If I'm Beane I'm not adverse to making a very heavily incentive laden contract offer.  Really nothing to lose with Brown and the upside is something that everyone understands.  

Where is the damn “mad as hell” emoji????

[Royale with Cheese]

41 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

If I'm Beane I'm not adverse to making a very heavily incentive laden contract offer.  Really nothing to lose with Brown and the upside is something that everyone understands.  

 

You're ly disgusting.  

[Cripple Creek]

40 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

[shudder] I do hope you are not Beane.

 

I think that AB has “mad issues”.  Being photographed with his smiley Babymomma at a nightclub and handing out chocolate penises as gifts on a radio show doesn’t exactly yield confidence that he’s truly addressed them and is willing to 1) buckle down, study, and master a complex offense 2) practice consistently to build confidence with a young, sometimes erratic QB 3) be a good teammate, especially if he doesn’t get the targets he thinks he should when he thinks he should get ‘em

 

 

What is the risk to team/culture?

 

First hint, he's gone.  No one would bat an eye.  

 

Forget about the Antonio Brown of the past.  That dog don't hunt no more.  Structure a contract that makes him happy if he hits incentives, but makes cutting him a non-issue.

[J-GunJoshAllen17]

7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

What is the risk to team/culture?

 

First hint, he's gone.  No one would bat an eye.  

 

Forget about the Antonio Brown of the past.  That dog don't hunt no more.  Structure a contract that makes him happy if he hits incentives, but makes cutting him a non-issue.

I have to agree.  I don't see much of a downside in signing him.  He is likely to be on his best behavior and the team is such a tight nit group already, I doubt anything AB does is going to distrupt that.  Like you said, first hint of trouble and he is gone. 

 

He would be kind of like a mercenary that the team knows they can dispose of if he becomes more trouble than he's worth.  Also I think this team has a chip on their shoulder.  If the think AB can help them get them to the Super Bowl or win the Super Bowl, I think almost the entire locker room would be willing to take the risk, maybe not Robert Foster.

Edited February 17, 2020 by J-GunJoshAllen17

[Rc2catch]

3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

What is the risk to team/culture?

 

First hint, he's gone.  No one would bat an eye.  

 

Forget about the Antonio Brown of the past.  That dog don't hunt no more.  Structure a contract that makes him happy if he hits incentives, but makes cutting him a non-issue.

The risk is the insane media hounding everyone all day everyday. I mean first he is probably suspended for quite some time when/if he signs somewhere.  Second is the constant pressure from the media. Every practice, every game. 
So we really need a guy who will throw temper tantrums when we’re winning 24-10 in the 4th quarter cause his stats don’t look good? In the end the TEAM doesn’t need every national reporter bothering every player fishing for a steamy quote to blow up Twitter. 

[Gugny]

8 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

What is the risk to team/culture?

 

First hint, he's gone.  No one would bat an eye.  

 

Forget about the Antonio Brown of the past.  That dog don't hunt no more.  Structure a contract that makes him happy if he hits incentives, but makes cutting him a non-issue.

 

Although he wasn't a fraction of the headcase AB is, Terrell Owens came to Buffalo and had himself a fine season.  No trouble, no drama and very decent production.

[J-GunJoshAllen17]

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

The risk is the insane media hounding everyone all day everyday. I mean first he is probably suspended for quite some time when/if he signs somewhere.  Second is the constant pressure from the media. Every practice, every game. 
So we really need a guy who will throw temper tantrums when we’re winning 24-10 in the 4th quarter cause his stats don’t look good? In the end the TEAM doesn’t need every national reporter bothering every player fishing for a steamy quote to blow up Twitter. 

I forgot about the media.

[Rc2catch]

Just now, J-GunJoshAllen17 said:

I forgot about the media.

It would be a daily hot topic and a 24/7 media circus. 
Every bad throw, bad game, shoot even good game.. They would be hounding everyone all the time for quotes. Nothing the team accomplished would even be acknowledged any success would be instant Antonio brown. And bad games would immediately be why can’t they get him the ball more. It would just be a circus, even worse than the browns last offseason, or the dream team eagles of years ago.. Just a headache for all involved 

[Cripple Creek]

3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

The risk is the insane media hounding everyone all day everyday. I mean first he is probably suspended for quite some time when/if he signs somewhere.  Second is the constant pressure from the media. Every practice, every game. 
So we really need a guy who will throw temper tantrums when we’re winning 24-10 in the 4th quarter cause his stats don’t look good? In the end the TEAM doesn’t need every national reporter bothering every player fishing for a steamy quote to blow up Twitter. 

First, I disagree. Second, the team makes players available, or not. Third, if they can't handle the media then maybe we have bigger issues that need fixing.

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

It would be a daily hot topic and a 24/7 media circus. 
Every bad throw, bad game, shoot even good game.. They would be hounding everyone all the time for quotes. Nothing the team accomplished would even be acknowledged any success would be instant Antonio brown. And bad games would immediately be why can’t they get him the ball more. It would just be a circus, even worse than the browns last offseason, or the dream team eagles of years ago.. Just a headache for all involved 

Yes, New England unraveled because of the media pressure.

[BuffaloBill963]

On 2/13/2020 at 2:35 PM, Irv said:

Maybe the dude has CTE.  Something's wrong. 

This is all contrived. You guys need to research clandestine fraternities and how members level up. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Although he wasn't a fraction of the headcase AB is, Terrell Owens came to Buffalo and had himself a fine season.  No trouble, no drama and very decent production.

 

Key phrase

[Rc2catch]

3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

First, I disagree. Second, the team makes players available, or not. Third, if they can't handle the media then maybe we have bigger issues that need fixing.

Yes, New England unraveled because of the media pressure.

He was with New England one game buddy. And they targeted him quite well for the snaps he played. NOBODY wants that media circus. Not just Buffalo. 
Tim Tebow

Kaep

Add Antonio Brown to the list. 
Players who have potential to play but are not worth the media headache that follows them. 
Seriously it’s not like you have an original idea here or something, guy has been a free agent all this time and nobody is even sniffing around him for a contract. Hmmmm wonder why. 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

If I'm Beane I'm not adverse to making a very heavily incentive laden contract offer.  Really nothing to lose with Brown and the upside is something that everyone understands.  

 

Why - what are you expecting from him.  He will be suspended at minimum 8 games - so you get a guy that doesn’t care and you have to put up with him for 1/2 a season not around risking making you look stupid.

 

Plus how motivated do you think he will be to take a low guaranteed contract.  I do not see him being happy if a team like Buffalo that he already bad mouthed - offers him and incentive laden contract - my guess is you could lose a lot for very little reward.  
 

With little effort he could destroy your team just by leaking garbage or live streaming a meeting. 
 

If I am Beane - Brown can sit and rot - we would look elsewhere for talent that will actually play for you.

[Cripple Creek]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

He was with New England one game buddy. And they targeted him quite well for the snaps he played. NOBODY wants that media circus. Not just Buffalo. 
Tim Tebow

Kaep

Add Antonio Brown to the list. 
Players who have potential to play but are not worth the media headache that follows them. 
Seriously it’s not like you have an original idea here or something, guy has been a free agent all this time and nobody is even sniffing around him for a contract. Hmmmm wonder why. 

I don't know you, so I'm not your buddy.

 

You are putting far too much weight on the media's ability to affect a group of individuals.  You might be an old codger, like I said, I don't know you, but, kids these days are well equipped to handle what's going on around them.

7 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Why - what are you expecting from him.  He will be suspended at minimum 8 games - so you get a guy that doesn’t care and you have to put up with him for 1/2 a season not around risking making you look stupid.  How so?  He is a known problem.  The only risk of looking stupid would be getting torched by him.

 

Plus how motivated do you think he will be to take a low guaranteed contract.  I do not see him being happy if a team like Buffalo that he already bad mouthed - offers him and incentive laden contract - my guess is you could lose a lot for very little reward.  He takes it or he doesn't.  He meets incentives he gets paid, that's the incentive part of an incentive laden contract.
 

With little effort he could destroy your team just by leaking garbage or live streaming a meeting. Put the Jeter rule into effect.  As far as leaking...at this point, does anyone pay attention to him?
 

If I am Beane - Brown can sit and rot - we would look elsewhere for talent that will actually play for you.

 

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

I don't know you, so I'm not your buddy.

 

You are putting far too much weight on the media's ability to affect a group of individuals.  You might be an old codger, like I said, I don't know you, but, kids these days are well equipped to handle what's going on around them.

 

The media can absolutely destroy teams. But if you can’t see that already there’s no point in me going on about it. 

 

I call everyone buddy. Sorry if you don’t like that. There’s a block button and you’ll never have to see it again. I will drop it and agree to disagree.  Enjoy your evening. 
 

[Gugny]

23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Key phrase

 

Totally get it and agree.  But if there's nothing to lose, then why not?  Lots to gain.

[Cripple Creek]

25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Key phrase

Common, voice your objections to an incentive laden deal?  What is the possible downside? 

[Cripple Creek]

15 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

The media can absolutely destroy teams. But if you can’t see that already there’s no point in me going on about it. 

 

I call everyone buddy. Sorry if you don’t like that. There’s a block button and you’ll never have to see it again. I will drop it and agree to disagree.  Enjoy your evening. 
 

What teams has the media destroyed?

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

What teams has the media destroyed?

I’m sure there’s a lot, off the top of my head I guess.. 

The old dream team philly Eagles.. 

The 2018 Steelers. 
2019 browns. 
3 extremely talented teams. Media jumped on them and they crumbled with the non stop pressure. 
‘18 Steelers specifically with bell sitting out. Every practice, every game, every reporter wanted to know how the team feels about bell. Anyone who responded was on ESPN all day the next day. Every game, would they be winning more with Bell etc etc.. 
Teams don’t want all that extra attention. 
Players and coaches don’t want the hassle of discussing one player non stop and every little aspect of him. Is he in shape? Is he practicing hard? Does he have a rapport with the quarterback? 
Look what the media did to the Raiders on top of them being on hard knocks as well. 
Gruden and Mayock has to discuss browns frost bitten feet everyday for weeks. Then the barrage of releasing him. 
I get it, brown has game changing elite talent. 
He’s in an upper category from Tebow and Kaep, but to me it’s the same thing. Teams wouldn’t touch those guys because of the media that follows them. If you’re New England. Or New Orleans or another established program the risk isn’t as bad. 
But for a team building and trying to establish themselves it’s a very unneeded distraction. 
For the most part this entire topic is probably completely pointless, he’s still being investigated for the sexual whatever he is accused of, which was considered a probable suspension already. Now he’s facing new criminal charges over the battery or whatever his actual charges are over the moving company.  It’s extremely possible the league suspends him longer than a year. And they won’t rule on it until a team signs him i believe. 
So he’d be looking at being signed, then put on the exempt list or whatever while they finish investigating, then a crazy punishment after. The NFL doesn’t want him back after what he has done the last year. They have plenty of stars they don’t need him or the negative press either. 

[Rochesterfan]

19 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Common, voice your objections to an incentive laden deal?  What is the possible downside? 

 

Exactly what I said - he comes in suspended and acts up never even getting on the field - airing dirty laundry - turning players and coaches.  You get rid of him and he acts even worse bad talking everything about your team - especially your young QB.
 

Now you have media storm surrounding the team.

 

It would be one thing if he cared and really wanted to play, but it seems obvious that he doesn’t care - see his treatment of the team and management in Oakland.  He wants the money and doesn’t want to do anything to get it.  He is working lawsuits against 2 NFL teams already - let’s add ours to the list.

 

Additionally - let’s say Beane loses his mind and does this - now you have your #1 WR - suspended for most likely at least half the season - although my guess is with 2 sexual assault cases pending, multiple failure to pay lawsuits, and a full on assault case he was arrested for - it could be longer.  
 

Now you have signed him - does that prevent you from making a move to improve the WR position more.  Then like Oakland and NE found out - he screws your team and now you have no #1 WR and you wasted time and resources on nothing.  Plus you now have a potential rookie coming in and getting to learn and see the Diva act - it could create issues with development.

 

The team places a huge emphasis on veteran leaders teaching the young players how to do things right - why would you want the WR room - the easiest room to go insane (Diva’s) - to have the king Diva present showing all the wrong ways of doing things.

 

What I see is a player/contract with little upside (he couldn’t even make it work in NE and blasted the owners and team when he left) and lots of potential to destroy what you are building - especially at QB.