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At what point is it not worth it?

 

I would think a guy like Belichick would get a lot more value out of a young, athletic, and impressionable QB with a rookie wage scale salary.

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1 minute ago, KellyToTasker said:

You’ve been patient. 

I think this is my last chance to see it happen while Brady is still the Patriots starting QB

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3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I'm just glad they decide to go to the end with Brady rather than going with Jimmy G.

 

This would have been Jimmy G's 6th year on the bench, with a likely 7th coming next year. 

 

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

It's so great that Brady's insecurity and ego forced their hand to get rid of a ready-made successor.  What a douche

 

Since they drafted Jimmy G, NE has appeared in 4 SBs and won 2.  2 of those appearances the last 2 seasons since they traded him away. 

 

As stated above, unless Brady (whos is still running a top 10 scoring and passing offense on a 10-3 team) retires this off season, Garappolo would be siting indefinitely on the bench.  What would be the point of that?

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4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This would have been Jimmy G's 6th year on the bench, with a likely 7th coming next year. 

 

 

Since they drafted Jimmy G, NE has appeared in 4 SBs and won 2.  2 of those appearances the last 2 seasons since they traded him away. 

 

As stated above, unless Brady (whos is still running a top 10 scoring and passing offense on a 10-3 team) retires this off season, Garappolo would be siting indefinitely on the bench.  What would be the point of that?

 

Patriots are scoring 18.75 per game over their last 4.  There offense if clearly trending down.

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2 hours ago, stevewin said:

It's so great that Brady's insecurity and ego forced their hand to get rid of a ready-made successor.  What a douche

Amen! 

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For most of the year he's been missing Gronk, his left tackle, and now his center.  They have no speed on the outside.  And his arm may be in decline as well.

 

Mike Lombardi's take

 

Yes, quarterback Tom Brady does not look like himself. Yes, he is throwing the lowest yards per attempt (6.6) since the 2002 season, and yes, the offense is struggling to do anything effectively. When a team cannot make plays down the field in the passing game, it becomes harder and harder to score, especially later in the season. Yes, it’s easy to say that they lack explosive players, but the issues run much deeper than that. The lack of big plays and points (88 overall for a 17.6 average) over the last five weeks is not a result of Brady’s age. Their struggles on offense are a result of losing extremely talented players, injuries to critical players, not having adequate replacements, and being too young at certain positions. Plus, their opponents have a better understanding of how to attack the Patriots.

 

Obviously, the most significant loss, as well as the hardest to replace, is former tight end Rob Gronkowski. Gronk’s presence on the field helped in two areas that are currently slowing down the offense: The first is how they handle blitz pressure and the second is the strong side run game. Gronk was not the same in 2018 as he was during the 2014-16 seasons. He was still a force in the run game, sealing the end of the line and handling defensive linemen, but his speed, quickness, and explosiveness down the field in the passing game were not the same. Yet, even as his overall skills were declining, he was still a matchup nightmare. Whenever a team thought about sending pressure, they still had to rationalize dealing with someone who could cover Gronk one-on-one, and so many coordinators thought twice before sending pressure as a result. Gronk isolated away from the offensive formation, apart from the three-receiver set, alone with a smaller defensive back, or a slow linebacker, and Brady could throw the ball before the blitz. Now, with only Julian Edelman on the field as a significant threat, Brady does not have a security blanket to help offset pressure. And in the NFL, once you cannot handle pressure effectively, more pressure comes.

 

Brady’s inability to handle pressure is similar to what occurs in the NBA when a low post player gets doubled as soon as the ball enters the post. The post player recognizes the double, then fires the ball to the open player standing near the three-point line. When that player is a reliable, consistent shooter, the doubles become less and less common. They still occur, just with less frequency. When that player is not a great shooter, or able to knock down the three, then teams double harder, more quickly and more often. Brady sees more blitzes than ever before because the offense lacks the players to make teams suffer when blitzing. Once a team proves they cannot handle something, they should expect more of that something to come their way.

 

The run game, which last year was the strength of the Patriots, has become a weakness. Without Gronk, there is no tight end on the roster who can control the end of the line, or who can get movement off the ball against bigger defensive ends. The edge never gets sealed, which means the back never has a clear path to the strong side. Losing fullback James Develin also hinders the run game, in part because the Pats’ best runner, Sony Michel, is a “point of entry” back. That means he needs a lead blocker to clear out the hole and get him into the point of entry without having to shuffle or stutter.

 

And while losing Gronk hurts, losing David Andrews, their starting center, is a killer. Andrews was the rock of the line; he made everyone around him better. His replacement, Ted Karras, was injured during the loss to the Texans, and journeyman James Ferentz started against the Chiefs. Ferentz is too small to handle big tackles. On Sunday, the Chiefs put their best lineman, Chris Jones over him, and all hell broke loose on Brady. No wonder Jones was so confident during the game when he was trash-talking Brady.

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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This would have been Jimmy G's 6th year on the bench, with a likely 7th coming next year. 

 

 

Since they drafted Jimmy G, NE has appeared in 4 SBs and won 2.  2 of those appearances the last 2 seasons since they traded him away. 

 

As stated above, unless Brady (whos is still running a top 10 scoring and passing offense on a 10-3 team) retires this off season, Garappolo would be siting indefinitely on the bench.  What would be the point of that?

They would have had to  move on 2-3 years ago. Yes Brady still had a few good years left but that's always the tough decision. 49ers had to make it with Montana when Young was waiting. Green Bay had to make it with Favre when Rodgers was waiting.

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1 hour ago, billsrul120 said:

 

Patriots are scoring 18.75 per game over their last 4.  There offense if clearly trending down.

 

True.

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5 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Gronk's retiring was a huge blow to their offense.

 

 

True but he missed 11 games and had only 6 total TDs and 72 catches combined in 2016 and 2018--two SB winning seasons. 

 

The problem is their O-line has gotten much worse over the year.  Brady is getting pounded. 

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1 hour ago, Captain_Quint said:

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4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I agree that the lack of weapons is an issue, but no qb I've seen this year has had fewer weapons to work with than Carson Wentz last night - in the second half, he was down to two roster-churn-level WRs plus 3 TEs. Then he went down to one WR when one of them got hurt. Yet he was still slinging and pushing the ball down the field with accuracy. The one caveat is that the Giants' defense is terrible.

Soo many  of the throws Wentz made last night were screens 1 yard behind the LoS. Philly runs more screens than any NFL team

 

I saw maybe 3-5 balls all night travel over 15 - 20 yards

 

Wentz was good but he threw over a dozen screens , the bills probably don't even have a dozen screens all year

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2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

True but he missed 11 games and had only 6 total TDs and 72 catches combined in 2016 and 2018--two SB winning seasons. 

 

The problem is their O-line has gotten much worse over the year.  Brady is getting pounded. 

Be it 1 game a season or 16, when Gronkowski was on the field defenses were perplexed.

 

Greatest TE ever.....so far.

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6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I'm just glad they decide to go to the end with Brady rather than going with Jimmy G.

Probably the post of the day!!! 

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Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Soo many  of the throws Wentz made last night were screens 1 yard behind the LoS. Philly runs more screens than any NFL team

 

I saw maybe 3-5 balls all night travel over 15 - 20 yards

 

Wentz was good but he threw over a dozen screens , the bills probably don't even have a dozen screens all year

He threw a beautiful third-down deep ball late in the the game into the EZ that should have been caught, and on the final drive hit two relatively deep throws (to Arcega-Whiteside and Goedert). He also hit Ertz deep a couple of times on their FG drive in the second quarter.

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5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He threw a beautiful third-down deep ball late in the the game into the EZ that should have been caught, and on the final drive hit two relatively deep throws (to Arcega-Whiteside and Goedert). He also hit Ertz deep a couple of times on their FG drive in the second quarter.

Like I said about 5 balls 15-20 yards downfield. That throw to Whiteside was 22 yards. Allen makes 20 yard strikes all the time and nobody thinks they are deep balls

 

He threw some good balls but I'm not super impressed watching Wentz all season. I don't think he has raised his game much since he came in

 

He literally throws 15+ screens a game and they usually all pop for good yardage

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Like I said about 5 balls 15-20 yards downfield. That throw to Whiteside was 22 yards. Allen makes 20 yard strikes all the time and nobody thinks they are deep balls

 

He threw some good balls but I'm not super impressed watching Wentz all season. I don't think he has raised his game much since he came in

 

He literally throws 15+ screens a game and they usually all pop for good yardage

 

 

He's not having a great season, but he is having a good season. He played well against Miami too. They had no business losing that game, which was all on the defense. 

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1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

He's not having a great season, but he is having a good season. He played well against Miami too. They had no business losing that game, which was all on the defense. 

I think he needs to use his legs more .. i know he tore his ACL but he was so mobile

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Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I think he needs to use his legs more .. i know he tore his ACL but he was so mobile

Well, unfortunately he was mobile against the Bills ...

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I'll believe Brady and the Pats are no longer dangerous when they don't make the playoffs or at least lose in the first round.  Go Bengals. Go Dolphins.

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Belichick jettisons players before they hit their peak. The one exception is Brady. Brady is past his peak and his still around. Why? The great Garoppolo was standing in the wings ready to go.

 

I believe Brady is still around because Kraft made him untouchable. I believe Belichick was ready to move on from the Brady era and into the Garoppolo era last season. But Kraft stepped in and made Brady untouchable which forced Belichick into a trade with SFO.

 

Some reports from the period painted Brady as very insecure about Garoppolo---and suggest that Brady lobbied Kraft to get Garoppolo traded. Believable.

 

Yes. The Patsies do have a Tom Brady problem, and it's their own fault.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, boater said:

Belichick jettisons players before they hit their peak. The one exception is Brady. Brady is past his peak and his still around. Why? The great Garoppolo was standing in the wings ready to go.

 

I believe Brady is still around because Kraft made him untouchable. I believe Belichick was ready to move on from the Brady era and into the Garoppolo era last season. But Kraft stepped in and made Brady untouchable which forced Belichick into a trade with SFO.

 

Some reports from the period painted Brady as very insecure about Garoppolo---and suggest that Brady lobbied Kraft to get Garoppolo traded. Believable.

 

Yes. The Patsies do have a Tom Brady problem, and it's their own fault.

 

 

Exactly. It would have been tough to do, but the right move would’ve been to hand the keys to Jimmy G 3 years ago. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that Stidham is not some kind of franchise QB in waiting. If he’s just a guy, the Pats may be well and truly screwed for the next few seasons, by which time Belichick will be gone too. 

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