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6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Why is Kroft so hated? How many balls did he drop? How many were thrown to him? 
Are we saying the one year he actually played and was involved  in Cincinnati Dalton could find him open but in buffalo he’s covered every route? Could it not be Allen doesn’t look to throw his way? Like ever? Can’t be any form of a weapon in the receiving game if there’s no targets.

 

Is his blocking bad? The blocking part is serious on my end cause I honestly don’t pay attention to tight end blocks ever in a game. 

 

Just don’t get why there’s such a need to upgrade a position we’re not heavily using in the pass game. Knox will progress, we haven’t seen Sweeney in real games, how many balls are we throwing to tight ends next year we ain’t Baltimore here. 

 

His biggest problem is his $6mm a year cap hit. Not a big deal this year, but will be in the next 2 years. 

In 2019 he has 53 yards in total receptions and has a buy-out option next year that if used will only cost us $1.6mm in cap space. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

The drops have reached a point of concern but if you look at how little he saw the ball in college it should not surprise.  

 

Work, work, and more work is what Knox needs.  He has size and he had some speed too.  He blocks well and he gets open.  Yesterday he dropped a ball and then he made a brilliant one handed catch.  He can be a beast running in the open field and he has blown up a few DBs this year.  

 

I like him and I say keep on developing him.  

 

I’m not impressed with Kroft or Smith.  Sweeney has done ok in his limited reps.  

 

I would not hesitate to take a TE if the right one is there.  

Let's see what Knox can do next year.  I don't know why his catches are always downfield rather than quick shots to get pressure off Allen?

8 minutes ago, Nester said:

 

His biggest problem is his $6mm a year cap hit. Not a big deal this year, but will be in the next 2 years. 

In 2019 he has 53 yards in total receptions and has a buy-out option next year that if used will only cost us $1.6mm in cap space. 

 

 

 

 

The Bills have never used a TE well.  It's about time they do.

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3 minutes ago, Nester said:

 

His biggest problem is his $6mm a year cap hit. Not a big deal this year, but will be in the next 2 years. 

In 2019 he has 53 yards in total receptions and has a buy-out option next year that if used will only cost us $1.6mm in cap space. 

 

 

 

 

Buffalo is in fine shape for the cap until they need to hand out quarterback money. It’s not our cash we save nothing advocating for cuts. Why create a possible hole over money? If he’s that bad or he’s not what they expected I expect they will cut him but for us as fans to clamor to get rid of a guy over money we aren’t paying doesn’t make sense to me. We had the same issue with shady. Washed up or not people wanted him gone cause of his salary. And now he’s gone. Washed up or not they definitely could of used him this season. 
Same risk next year. 
Sure let’s sign Hooper. Nothing wrong with that. Let’s say he blows a knee in preseason then we’re rolling with Knox and Sweeney and some guy let go at final cut downs. Just risky over money they don’t really need. If we’re cap strapped and need money for Hooper yeah cut the guy. I mean shoot we have what 25 million in star and Murphy and kroft? 

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1 hour ago, LB48 said:

Let's see what Knox can do next year.  I don't know why his catches are always downfield rather than quick shots to get pressure off Allen?

The Bills have never used a TE well.  It's about time they do.

The K-Gun was named after Keith McKellar, Bills TE 

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1 hour ago, BillsCuse said:

 Give Knox time to develop.  He has super potential, time will tell if he reaches it.   Kroft is definitely out of here next year.  Hooper or Hunter Henry would be great additions to add with Knox.  I would spend the $ on them, then get a WR high in the draft.  

I'd go all in for Hooper. Henry has had some injury issues so for less money I'd be down.

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2 hours ago, Process said:

Kroft is useless and should be cut this off-season. That signing was a head scratcher from the beginning. 

 

Knoxs drops are a huge concern. Even if he ends up getting over it and becoming a good player for us, plenty of teams use two TEs.

 

Bills should go all out for Hooper this off-season.

 

Sign Hooper, sign a young RB, draft a WR in the first round. Offense set.

 

 

Agree with everything except WR in the first round.  My thought is DE or LB in round 1.  My rational is it's easier to find high level FA WR than it is pass rushers or DE.  Sign a good WR and dtil ldraft one in the 2nd  or 3rd, but use the 1st round on pass rush.

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Knox can catch. For all the drops he's made a few really good catches. The 1 handed yesterday was awesome. He just needs to concentrate on the easy ones and look the ball all the way in rather than looking to run.

 

On the Allen sack fumble he should have never been left 1 on 1 with their best pass rusher. No TE should. 

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1 hour ago, Gambit said:

I'd go all in for Hooper. Henry has had some injury issues so for less money I'd be down.

Who is Hooper?

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35 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Who is Hooper?

Austin Hooper is Atlantas TE

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Be fun to see if Knox gets more or less rope than Zay did around here for his horrific hands. Not to mention Knox’s suspect blocking. Guessing people will be a lot more tolerant of Knox. 

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Knox was drafted to be the future, where Kroft was signed to be the current starter. Kroft missed a ton of time and has basically been invisible, pressing Knox into service. He might develop, but he’s a couple years away. A playmaking vet TE should be on the FA shopping list, as well as a WR. The defense is championship caliber now, so they need plug and play weapons for the offense. There isn’t time for a drafted WR to develop. They should still draft offense to keep the cupboard stocked , but FA dollars need to be allocated to vets while Allen is still cheap. 

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3 hours ago, Rob's House said:

Is catching ability something that typically improves significantly with time? 

 

It seems like it could, but I'm struggling to think of an example of someone with consistently bad hands who turned it around.

Knox can make the difficult catches. His issue seems to be focus related. That can be improved with reps, practice, and experience... Same with the blocking. 

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6 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Be fun to see if Knox gets more or less rope than Zay did around here for his horrific hands. Not to mention Knox’s suspect blocking. Guessing people will be a lot more tolerant of Knox. 

Well, Knox is a pretty good run blocker not a suspect one. He was also the 96th player selected in 2019 and didn’t catch many passes in college as he wasn’t featured that way. Zay Jones caught a ton of passes in college and was the 44th player selected in the 2017 draft. 52 slots lower of draft position will buy you a little bit of “ rope” with the fans. Essentially , Jones had already proven he had good hands in college but forgot how to catch when he got to Buffalo. He was pretty much a head case. 

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1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Well, Knox is a pretty good run blocker not a suspect one. He was also the 96th player selected in 2019 and didn’t catch many passes in college as he wasn’t featured that way. Zay Jones caught a ton of passes in college and was the 44th player selected in the 2017 draft. 52 slots lower of draft position will buy you a little bit of “ rope” with the fans. 

Plus we generally have lower expectations for TEs catching the ball... 3rd round TE vs 2nd round WR... 🤷‍♂️  Knox needs to improve though. He’s getting some slack, but that’ll disappear quickly if he drops some critical passes next year or in the playoffs. 

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12 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Well, Knox is a pretty good run blocker not a suspect one. He was also the 96th player selected in 2019 and didn’t catch many passes in college as he wasn’t featured that way. Zay Jones caught a ton of passes in college and was the 44th player selected in the 2017 draft. 52 slots lower of draft position will buy you a little bit of “ rope” with the fans. Essentially , Jones had already proven he had good hands in college but forgot how to catch when he got to Buffalo. He was pretty much a head case. 


true on the run blocking. I was mostly thinking of the Allen fumble where Knox got turnstiled and got his QB crushed.

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1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:


true on the run blocking. I was mostly thinking of the Allen fumble where Knox got turnstiled and got his QB crushed.

I’m not sure I’d want many TEs blocking a DE one on one, but I see it around the league. Usually doesn’t end well , but it continues. That was Knox’s guy, but he didn’t have much chance. 

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4 hours ago, Nester said:

i like our current young TE's and i think we should let them develop.

 

Knox will be a beast, but its only his first year.

Sorry but I've watched Dawson Creek drop balls all year. Yesterday was just amplified. He also cost us a td on that lame block attempt.  A couple of highlight angry stiffarms hardly makes a long term TE. We'll see if he improves year 2?

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1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

I’m not sure I’d want many TEs blocking a DE one on one, but I see it around the league. Usually doesn’t end well , but it continues. That was Knox’s guy, but he didn’t have much chance. 

True. We’ll see. Knox is already credited with 5 drops this season and i don’t think that they’ve counted Sunday yet. I am willing to give him time he’s a rookie after all. Just want to sit back and see the comments around here though if he continues to stone hand easy balls. Hey maybe he should just continue to try to catch with one hand? Seems to work for him.

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Just now, JoPoy88 said:

True. We’ll see. Knox is already credited with 5 drops this season and i don’t think that they’ve counted Sunday yet. I am willing to give him time he’s a rookie after all. Just want to sit back and see the comments around here though if he continues to stone hand easy balls. Hey maybe he should just continue to try to catch with one hand? Seems to work for him.

If it continues the heat will get turned up by fans for sure. Hopefully he spends extra time with the Juggs machine. 

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I'd keep Knox around just to watch his powerful stiff arm face plants on opposing tacklers. 

 

Good stuff right there.

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7 hours ago, Nester said:

i like our current young TE's and i think we should let them develop.

 

Knox will be a beast, but its only his first year.

I hope so. Brings much more to position than we’ve had -maybe ever!

7 hours ago, Process said:

Kroft is useless and should be cut this off-season. That signing was a head scratcher from the beginning. 

 

Knoxs drops are a huge concern. Even if he ends up getting over it and becoming a good player for us, plenty of teams use two TEs.

 

Bills should go all out for Hooper this off-season.

 

Sign Hooper, sign a young RB, draft a WR in the first round. Offense set.

 

It seems to get lost around here with the now legendary FA haul from this past Spring, but we had just cut Clay, the Draft was nearly 2 months out & all we had was Croom. TE was a Glaring Need then and Beane got on the horn. The knock on him from Cincy was he couldn’t stay healthy (availability). That remains the case.

7 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

The drops have reached a point of concern but if you look at how little he saw the ball in college it should not surprise.  

 

Work, work, and more work is what Knox needs.  He has size and he had some speed too.  He blocks well and he gets open.  Yesterday he dropped a ball and then he made a brilliant one handed catch.  He can be a beast running in the open field and he has blown up a few DBs this year.  

 

I like him and I say keep on developing him.  

 

I’m not impressed with Kroft or Smith.  Sweeney has done ok in his limited reps.  

 

I would not hesitate to take a TE if the right one is there.  

McD has a throwback affinity for rah-rah Special Teamers, but Smith & DiMarco are dead anchors on the gameday 47. To date, our team health borders Incredible (KNOCKING ON WOOD!) but a rethinking must take place soon on which talent levels sit, even if roster size grows next year. Senoris Perry? The days of having ‘Mark Pike’s’ on a team are over.

6 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

Knox needs time to develop. He was barely thrown to in college because they were loaded at receiver and used him mostly as a blocker. He was a QB in high school and had never played the position until he got to a school that doesn’t utilize the position.

 

I think he’ll be better next year, hopefully significantly. He’s probably going to get 400yds receiving as a rookie. Not too terrible.

 

Sweeney has the upside of a solid #2 tight end. Good fundamentals, solid blocker.

 

I feel bad for Kroft but I think he’ll end up getting cut next season. Too much money for too little production. 
 

Lee Smith is hot garbage. Croom May come back and try to do something but I have little faith in that.

 

i could see them bringing in another veteran to compete with Smith and Sweeney. 

Good post. Kroft seems solid in all aspects -WHEN he’s available, but certainly no upside. I’ve already forgotten about Croom -his personal relationship notwithstanding..

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We don't even target TE's. What's the point?

 

Every other team gives them lots of looks and ours get a few targets a game

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I am all in on T J Hockenson, oh wait, that was last year

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