The Impeachment Trial of President Donald J. Trump

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, snafu said:

 

I'd use the three Saturday hours to revv up the Sunday talk shows.

There are so many ways to go with this defense it makes it hard to choose a straight path.

 

 

 

 

That's a good strategy.  

[Foxx]

15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

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is Schiffty really making this argument? with the Horowitz report out and yesterdays admittance that 2 of the FISA's were fraudlent, the argument seems like more like a pipe dream than anything. it's too bad Durham couldn't unveil some of his findings tomorrow to coincide with WHC defense.

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2020 by Deranged Rhino

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[Foxx]

7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

the WHC has to play clips of Schiffty in the Senate making his outrageous claims then play clips such as the Sondland presumption. that would be so brutally hilarious.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Warren Zevon]

Most conspiracy theories are a trailer because they are snippets of scenes/facts designed to make you feel a certain emotion toward the outcome, ie I gotta see this movie/***** HILLARY!

[Deranged Rhino]

Says the guy who fell hook, line, and sinker for the Trump/Russia conspiracy theory. 

 

The lack of self awareness is hilarious, and proves (again) how DEEPLY stupid Gary is.

[Foxx]

i am certainly no lawyer, even though i play one on the internet. however it just strikes me, listening to the House Managers these last three days, that they have, more than their other mistakes, commited a huge tactical error. in that, they have essentially repeated the same arguments, in the same tenor as they did in their House, 'investigation'. whereby, they talked down to their audience (the average American) and admonished them that their 'evidence', is above all else, unimpeachable. it can not be questioned. no matter that there is very little factual evidence anywhere in their, 'evidence'.

 

imo, telling Senators that they must do this, this and that because of x,y and z is suicidal. what they should have done is to present their 'evidence', then qualify it with a simple, 'if we have done our job and have created a sound case then the only verdict can be guilty'. this, along with other such unassuming points of perspective would have went much farther here.  this tactical error is only off putting to a body that i'm quite sure sees itself as being above the House. being talked down to by the lower house is only going to enrage the Senate.

 

all of which suggests that this is no tactical error, at all. it is being designed with sound bytes in mind to use against 15 Repub Senators up for reelection in November.

[snafu]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...Schumer, Schiff & Nadler...."The Three Putz Boys".....or as it is said in Hebrew, "meshugas".......SMH............

 

Pretty sure  that's Yiddish.

 

[keepthefaith]

26 minutes ago, Foxx said:

i am certainly no lawyer, even though i play one on the internet. however it just strikes me, listening to the House Managers these last three days, that they have, more than their other mistakes, commited a huge tactical error. in that, they have essentially repeated the same arguments, in the same tenor as they did in their House, 'investigation'. whereby, they talked down to their audience (the average American) and admonished them that their 'evidence', is above all else, unimpeachable. it can not be questioned. no matter that there is very little factual evidence anywhere in their, 'evidence'.

 

imo, telling Senators that they must do this, this and that because of x,y and z is suicidal. what they should have done is to present their 'evidence', then qualify it with a simple, 'if we have done our job and have created a sound case then the only verdict can be guilty'. this, along with other such unassuming points of perspective would have went much farther here.  this tactical error is only off putting to a body that i'm quite sure sees itself as being above the House. being talked down to by the lower house is only going to enrage the Senate.

 

all of which suggests that this is no tactical error, at all. it is being designed with sound bytes in mind to use against 15 Repub Senators up for reelection in November.

 

I think you should cut Adam and Jerry some slack.  They don't have a great case to work with.  They're tasked with making chicken salad from chicken *****. 

[B-Man]

 

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[snafu]

5 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

I think you should cut Adam and Jerry some slack.  They don't have a great case to work with.  They're tasked with making chicken salad from chicken *****. 

 

They made the chicken****.

They want the Senate to make the Salad.

 

 

[Foxx]

dinnertime.

[snafu]

Article 2 argument is that Trump issued a blanket Executive Branch refusal to cooperate with the House investigation.

The Managers keep bringing up U.S. vs. Nixon. That Subpoena in question was issued in April, 1974.  The Supreme Court decided the case in July, 1974 (THREE MONTHS).

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Foxx said:

dinnertime.

 

Yum, Chicken Salad!!

 

 

 

[Foxx]

@snafu

 

perhaps you would know... i don't know the name of the last manager but he was raising the argument that the White house did not comply with any subpoena issued by the House. i have seen it argued that one of the main reasons for this is because the White house viewed them as illegitimate. my understanding is that they were viewed to be illegitimate because the House never took a formal vote. 

 

not sure my understanding is complete here however. is the argument based upon the establishment of the inquiry, ie; a vote to begin the inquiry by the full house before it began or would it be arguing that there was not a full house vote for each and every subpoena?

Edited January 25, 2020 by Foxx

[Deranged Rhino]

49 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

i am certainly no lawyer, even though i play one on the internet. however it just strikes me, listening to the House Managers these last three days, that they have, more than their other mistakes, commited a huge tactical error. in that, they have essentially repeated the same arguments, in the same tenor as they did in their House, 'investigation'. whereby, they talked down to their audience (the average American) and admonished them that their 'evidence', is above all else, unimpeachable. it can not be questioned. no matter that there is very little factual evidence anywhere in their, 'evidence'.

 

imo, telling Senators that they must do this, this and that because of x,y and z is suicidal. what they should have done is to present their 'evidence', then qualify it with a simple, 'if we have done our job and have created a sound case then the only verdict can be guilty'. this, along with other such unassuming points of perspective would have went much farther here.  this tactical error is only off putting to a body that i'm quite sure sees itself as being above the House. being talked down to by the lower house is only going to enrage the Senate.

 

all of which suggests that this is no tactical error, at all. it is being designed with sound bytes in mind to use against 15 Repub Senators up for reelection in November.

 

At the end of the day, they know Trump is never going to be removed from office. This is simply a prolonged political smear. There's a reason the "managers" and media are framing a quick dismissal as a 'cover up', while completely ignoring the fact that the House halfassed the "investigation". Al Green told the truth when he said something to the effect of 'if we don't impeach, he will win re-election'.

 

You are correct in the Democrats attempting to create sound bites instead of presenting proof. Their audience isn't the US Senate, it's the low-information voters that the media is going to repeatedly blast these clips of Democrat smears and lies to, in order to try to influence the 2020 elections. The GOP/Trump campaign will simply "pounce", "without evidence" in reply.

[Uncle Joe]

SO I didn't watch today but saw this tweet from DR today:
Schiff,
"Let’s imagine it wasn’t Joe Biden.

Let’s imagine it was any one of us.
Let’s imagine the most powerful man in the world was asking a foreign nation to conduct a sham investigation of us. What would we think about it then?"

Let's imagine x3. Fairy tales again.

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

what they should have done is to present their 'evidence', then qualify it with a simple, 'if we have done our job and have created a sound case then the only verdict can be guilty'.

 

They probably would have done that except for one thing.

 

They have no evidence. None at all. 

 

In case that's not clear, just read the posts from Tibs and Gary. It's essentially gibberish at this point.

[Foxx]

Schiffty try to control the narrative of the WHC now. telling Senators how they will try to punch holes in the prosecution.

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

57 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

At the end of the day, they know Trump is never going to be removed from office. This is simply a prolonged political smear. There's a reason the "managers" and media are framing a quick dismissal as a 'cover up', while completely ignoring the fact that the House halfassed the "investigation". Al Green told the truth when he said something to the effect of 'if we don't impeach, he will win re-election'.

 

You are correct in the Democrats attempting to create sound bites instead of presenting proof. Their audience isn't the US Senate, it's the low-information voters that the media is going to repeatedly blast these clips of Democrat smears and lies to, in order to try to influence the 2020 elections. The GOP/Trump campaign will simply "pounce", "without evidence" in reply.

 

 

Only thing I'd add is that it's not just Trump they're trying to smear for 2020, but the vulnerable republican senators are an even higher priority for them at this moment imo. 

 

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[Foxx]

and... that's a wrap. back tomorrow at 10 am for what should be a short opening and insight into where the WHC will be going. and to give the Donners the rest of the weekend to ***** their drawers.

Edited January 25, 2020 by Foxx

[Cinga]

did anyone else catch Schiff toward the end say that they could get the Chief Justice to rule on Presidential privilege, and if he got it wrong, the Senate could vote to over rule him?

 

I'd love to have seen Roberts face when he said that! 

[snafu]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

@snafu

 

perhaps you would know... i don't know the name of the last manager but he was raising the argument that the White house did not comply with any subpoena issued by the House. i have seen it argued that one of the main reasons for this is because the White house viewed them as illegitimate. my understanding is that they were viewed to be illegitimate because the House never took a formal vote. 

 

not sure my understanding is complete here however. is the argument based upon the establishment of the inquiry, ie; a vote to begin the inquiry by the full house begore it began or would it be arguing that the was not a full house vote for each and every subpoena?

 

Hakeem Jeffries from Brooklyn.

I think the blanket refusal was explained in a letter Cipollone wrote to Pelosi on October 8.  You’re right, the letter says that since the House inquiry was improperly commenced, and because of long-standing confidentiality and Executive privilege reasons, the White House wasn’t going to cooperate. I’m sure we’re going to get the full, unexpurgated, explanation over the next few days.

 

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6459967-PAC-Letter-10-08-2019.html#document/p7

 

[njbuff]

Does this thing really need to drag out with no-case case that the Democrats threw out there?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[Hedge]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

At the end of the day, they know Trump is never going to be removed from office. This is simply a prolonged political smear. There's a reason the "managers" and media are framing a quick dismissal as a 'cover up', while completely ignoring the fact that the House halfassed the "investigation". Al Green told the truth when he said something to the effect of 'if we don't impeach, he will win re-election'.

 

You are correct in the Democrats attempting to create sound bites instead of presenting proof. Their audience isn't the US Senate, it's the low-information voters that the media is going to repeatedly blast these clips of Democrat smears and lies to, in order to try to influence the 2020 elections. The GOP/Trump campaign will simply "pounce", "without evidence" in reply.

 

 

..is this an evidentiary proceeding where Justice Roberts plays an actual role or is he the peacemaker with Senate vote being ultimate decision?..........

Edited January 25, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Foxx]

head on a pike!

https://twitter.com/AKA_RealDirty/status/1220918253977001985

 

[Foxx]

/impeachment

https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1220824907027746817

 

[Pilsner]

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/times-square-billboard-exposing-joe-biden-is-pretty-brilliant/

 

This billboard should be all over the major cities.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[snafu]

On 1/21/2020 at 11:47 AM, snafu said:

Cue Ethel Merman:

 

There's no business like show business and I tell you it's so
Traveling through the country is so thrilling, standing out in front on opening nights
Smiling as you watch the theater filling, and there's your billing out there in lights

There's no people like show people, they smile when they are low
Angels come from everywhere with lots of jack, and when you lose it, there's no attack
Where could you get money that you don't give back? Let's go on with the show

 

Almost forgot!

 

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

I wish he wouldn’t Tweet stuff like that. Such a child. 

[snafu]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

I wish he wouldn’t Tweet stuff like that. Such a child. 

 

Yep.

Proof of his a-holeishness.

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[snafu]

Cipollone needs to watch his tone.  If he’s starting at this level, he’s only going to ramp up.

 

[dubs]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

the truly unfortunate thing of this whole charade is that a large percentage of the population will not even get to hear the facts supporting this entire thing being BS. They simply just watch the legacy media outlets and follow their snarky journals and celebs on twitter and think they are informed. 
 

IMHO the media is a far more sinister force than even these evil democrats. 

[Deranged Rhino]