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Is Ed Oliver Still a Bust?

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57 minutes ago, H2o said:

Okay buddy. :thumbsup: The search function is your friend. Pretty sure there was a thread recently, like within the last 3 weeks recent, about his reduced amount of snaps where numerous people were talking :censored:..... Maybe even yourself. 

Yeah I’m sure there was a thread about how his snaps got cut, that doesn’t mean he was called a bust. 

 

This is pretty simple.

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3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Harrison Philips is only 305 pounds

 

You can get stronger without adding 15 pounds... Geno Atkins who is comparable in size to Oliver played 90% of his career under 300 pounds

 

Just got to like 305 last 2 years

 

 

I think you are right, as he was brought in as a one-gap DT not a two-gap DT or NT. 

 

His build, style of play, his burst, low pad level, and pursuit reminded scouts of Aaron Donald sans all the success and proven ability:)

 

I think he is 10-15 lbs heavier than Donald, and I don't think the Bills want him much heavier. His game is speed and power leveraged to be a penetrating disruptive DT not a wide-bodied run-stuffer.

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5 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Yeah I’m sure there was a thread about how his snaps got cut, that doesn’t mean he was called a bust. 

 

This is pretty simple.

Like I said, the search function is your friend. :thumbsup: That wasn't the only one, thread where people have said it. 

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9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Harrison Philips is only 305 pounds

 

You can get stronger without adding 15 pounds... Geno Atkins who is comparable in size to Oliver played 90% of his career under 300 pounds

 

Just got to like 305 last 2 years

 

 

And Kawaan Short. Came into the league under 300lbs. I know he is more like 310-315 now but he has added that weight gradually and some of his better seasons were right around that 305 mark.

6 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Yeah I’m sure there was a thread about how his snaps got cut, that doesn’t mean he was called a bust. 

 

This is pretty simple.

 

And as I said at the time... his snaps being cut was as much about the Bills desperately trying to get bigger bodies out there to clog up lanes in the run game than anything Oliver was doing "badly". Weeks when they wanted to use their heavy package a lot they had Star out there more. Last week against the Dolphins when they wanted to get after the passer Star's snaps were "cut" and Oliver was out there more. The fact is the Bills rotate their interior Dline a lot and while it is true that Oliver has lost that "starter" tag to Jordan Phillips he is still an important part of what they are doing defensively.

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Never was a bust.  Rookie growing into his role.

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5 sacks as a rookie with 4 and a half games to play. Go look how that compares to the league's best 3 current 3 techs. Other than Aaron Donald (who had 8 or 9) it compares very favourably. 

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I dunno, is Zay Jones still a bust? 

 

A lot of people claimed he was a bust his rookie year, but others argued he would be fine, it was just adjusting to the NFL and needed a couple years. 

 

Now that those years have passed, how I'm guessing he's killing it now? 

 

Point being, giving these guys more time doesn't necessarily change anything. Some players you can tell when they're rookies, others need that time. 

 

Aaron Maybin was a bust right away, Oliver could go either way. We don't now yet, but pointing to a game or 2 for either side of the argument doesn't make sense. 

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1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

I dunno, is Zay Jones still a bust? 

 

A lot of people claimed he was a bust his rookie year, but others argued he would be fine, it was just adjusting to the NFL and needed a couple years. 

 

Now that those years have passed, how I'm guessing he's killing it now? 

 

Point being, giving these guys more time doesn't necessarily change anything. Some players you can tell when they're rookies, others need that time. 

 

Aaron Maybin was a bust right away, Oliver could go either way. We don't now yet, but pointing to a game or 2 for either side of the argument doesn't make sense. 

Dude, make room for a different kind of bird, Crow. This kid just gave a dominating performance on national tv FFS. Instead of being optimistic, you're trying to keep his progress grounded with pathetic comparisons. And it wasn't just this game, he's played solid the last 2. Give more credit and stop trying to diagnose

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On 11/24/2019 at 6:12 PM, Warcodered said:

He's doing well but I can only imagine how many sacks D.K. Metcalf would have by now.

 

You won this thread, good job.

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On 11/24/2019 at 10:51 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Who in the hell thinks Ed Oliver is a bust? Some people need to go watch some football🤣😂. He’s gonna get better as time goes on, sky’s the limit for him


there were quite a few here that called him a bust not so long ago. Most of them have owned up to being wrong though.

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his motor will make sure he is not  bust  Still too early to tll if he'll be a superstar but he's trending in the right direction

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I think thete is some revisionist history going on here.  After the Eagles games most Bills fans were extremely concerned about his future.  Oliver has started the process of making most of us wrong.  Thank God for that.

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2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I dunno, is Zay Jones still a bust? 

 

A lot of people claimed he was a bust his rookie year, but others argued he would be fine, it was just adjusting to the NFL and needed a couple years. 

 

Now that those years have passed, how I'm guessing he's killing it now? 

 

Point being, giving these guys more time doesn't necessarily change anything. Some players you can tell when they're rookies, others need that time. 

 

Aaron Maybin was a bust right away, Oliver could go either way. We don't now yet, but pointing to a game or 2 for either side of the argument doesn't make sense. 

Oliver has been a completely different player the last 3 weeks. He was challenged by the coaching staff and has responded to the tune of 4 sacks and a forced fumble in 3 games. Today? Two sacks and ff against one of the best OL's in the NFL. Is he DPOY yet? No, but it's obvious he's getting noticeably better and nothing near a bust. The straws are out of reach. Let it go.

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