Doc Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If they cut Murphy, Kroft and Long they have over $105M in cap space. They can do whatever they want. Not worth cutting Long. But cutting Kroft and Murphy and saving $7.2M is a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Not worth cutting Long. But cutting Kroft and Murphy and saving $7.2M is a no-brainer. Spencer Long...he’s been active like twice this year Those other 2 are $12m in savings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 54 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Spencer Long...he’s been active like twice this year Those other 2 are $12m in savings Long has been active most weeks. He hasn't got on the field a lot but he has been active. And you have to remember that Spain is a FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Long has been active most weeks. He hasn't got on the field a lot but he has been active. And you have to remember that Spain is a FA. That's a good point. Long is decent insurance in the event that some team gets stupid and overpays Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 51 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Spencer Long...he’s been active like twice this year Those other 2 are $12m in savings Oops, I wasn't counting roster and workout bonuses. Still I get $9.65M. If you designate them post-June 1st, it's $11.3M. Still a good savings either way. And GB said, Long has been active for 9 of the 11 games and Spain is an UFA at the end of the year. Not sure you kick him to the curb until you have a replacement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dopey Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: Star has 3 years left at $27M. By comparison, Corey Liuget is league minimum. They should offer Phillips the remainder of Star's contract, plus maybe another $3M. Oh boy, here we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Lawson is playing ok but your main job as a DE is sacks and pressures. This didn't age well this afternoon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: This didn't age well this afternoon... I know his post was saying Shaq isn't getting sacks and pressures but let's not go overboard and act like Shaq had an amazing game because he got 2 sacks. He was completely unblocked on both of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Long has been active most weeks. He hasn't got on the field a lot but he has been active. And you have to remember that Spain is a FA. He’s not worth the $4m cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not worth the $4m cap hit. Probably not but we have a decent cap position and after last season I am not getting worse in my OL depth when I don't have to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 9 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: $6-7M won’t get it done. He’s very likely to be offered $8-10 in FA. He leads the League in sacks by a DT. No team doesn’t want that! That number you mention is probably more accurate than mine- hoping for a hometown discount. Great W today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 It's too late. Unless they tag one, they will hit the open market. Beane really screwed up not picking up Shaq's 5th year option. There is no valid reason not to pick up the option. Phillips has played beyond anyone's expectation and some team will overpay for him. If you coukd sign Phillips to a 3 yr medium sized contract fully guaranteed then maybe he would stay. Otherwise he has no reason not to test the FA market. Lawson will most likely want a fresh start and rightly so. The process has not been fair to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Bills need to start featuring Shaq from here out as our #1 DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 We'll sign either a name DE or WR this offseason, whichever we don't sign will be filled with our 1st round pick. Phillips is a must-retain, we aren't replacing his production with a 2nd/3rd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Allen Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 9 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I’d like them both re-signed, but it always comes down to the contract. If they hit free agency and another team is going to overpay, then you gotta move on to other options. That said, I wonder if either would be interested in something now? I think they are both scheduled to be UFA after the season (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). I'm all for resigning both of them, but I couldn't blame either of them for wanting to test the open market. If they continue playing the way they have been, somebody will be willing to pay a lot of money for either or both of them. I doubt Beane will want to get into a bidding war with anyone, but with the team's cap space he may be able to front-load contracts to make it worth their while to stay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: It's too late. Unless they tag one, they will hit the open market. Beane really screwed up not picking up Shaq's 5th year option. There is no valid reason not to pick up the option. Phillips has played beyond anyone's expectation and some team will overpay for him. If you coukd sign Phillips to a 3 yr medium sized contract fully guaranteed then maybe he would stay. Otherwise he has no reason not to test the FA market. Lawson will most likely want a fresh start and rightly so. The process has not been fair to him. Shaq's 5th year option was for $10M. Not sure he'll get that on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: Shaq's 5th year option was for $10M. Not sure he'll get that on the open market. He will get far more than $10 M in sign bonus and first year salary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: If my math is correct the Bills save like $16Mish in cap space if they let Long, Murphy and Kroft go. Those feel like easy decisions to me. I’d turn around and hand some of that back to Lawson and Phillips. You can bring them both back and STILL have more cap savings than you were projected to have. Phillips is in line for a pretty good raise and Lawson is a really solid player. You can still draft or sign other DL as well but making those couple of moves really raises the floor for the Bills DL. I'd keep Long. He's played well when he's had to, and at more than one position on the line. Murphy and Kroft can definitely go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TigerJ Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 If the Bills can agree on a fair price, both these guys should be retained. Oliver is not a finished product, but he has a very high ceiling. He might have 2 or 3 more sacks this season. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a dozen or more next season. And yes, he's good versus the run too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bopper2 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I don’t think it’s a sure thing that Jerry Hughes will be on the team next year, for the same reasons Shady is not here. Over 30, fat contract, declining production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 48 minutes ago, bopper2 said: I don’t think it’s a sure thing that Jerry Hughes will be on the team next year, for the same reasons Shady is not here. Over 30, fat contract, declining production. This is the issue people have to start addressing. This could be Jerry's last year. I doubt we keep Murphy considering his poor production. I know Shaq is not an elite pass rusher and yes his 2 today came unblocked. But I consider him a better version of Chris Kelsay. As long as it's at a reasonable contract. Phillip's is a must sign. There's no debate there. I'm sure we'll be drafting an edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Bills need to start featuring Shaq from here out as our #1 DE Agree. Our DE position needs impact players and depth and why search for maybe players when you have Shaq who can step in... Johnson is raw still and is a liability in run defense, but i think he will come on given more experience. Allows this staff to start looking for Lorax V.2 as he can't keep going forever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 hours ago, WideNine said: Agree. Our DE position needs impact players and depth and why search for maybe players when you have Shaq who can step in... Johnson is raw still and is a liability in run defense, but i think he will come on given more experience. Allows this staff to start looking for Lorax V.2 as he can't keep going forever. Don't get me wrong, but I don't see Shaq as an impact player just yet. His two sacks were more the result of him going untouched. To me, he just seems a step slow and not very explosive. I think we re-sign him as he is a good overall DE. Pay less than the option year money. Draft an edge rusher, pay but don't overpay Phillips. $7-8MM sign, more let him go.. I think some of these guys might actually prefer to stay depending on how the rest of the year goes. Need to win at least two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/24/2019 at 7:01 AM, Chandler#81 said: $6-7M won’t get it done. He’s very likely to be offered $8-10 in FA. He leads the League in sacks by a DT. No team doesn’t want that! As long as Jordon continues to produce the way he is & the amount of cap space Beane has to work with i think he is still young enough to be a corp player on the D for a while to come ! Beans being the wheeler dealer that he is should give him say a $7 mill base salary with incentives to keep him motivated because of some of the talk out of Miami that he would take games off at times but i think he feeds off the Bils mafia & it could be a really good fit !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Bills Fan of Maryland said: Don't get me wrong, but I don't see Shaq as an impact player just yet. His two sacks were more the result of him going untouched. To me, he just seems a step slow and not very explosive. I think we re-sign him as he is a good overall DE. Pay less than the option year money. Draft an edge rusher, pay but don't overpay Phillips. $7-8MM sign, more let him go.. I think some of these guys might actually prefer to stay depending on how the rest of the year goes. Need to win at least two games. Agree, but Shaq had a pedigree of success coming out of college and although it took him a while to buy into the system, it is starting to pay off. He can play inside and outside so the versatility is good. I don't think teams go out of their way to game plan for him, but he has been better than Trent Murphy. I hope they can keep him for the right price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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