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Both Milano and Thompson are questionable - game time decisions. Limited all week. If Maurice Alexander starts at LB it’s going to be very tough sledding with not only Ertz/Goddert at TE  but Jordan Howard. We saw that last week - mark walton was getting chunk yards on the ground and mike gesiki had success in the pass game. All those guys from last week aren’t as good as all the guys coming in this week. At every position. OL, WR. QB, RB. TE. I think Hyde and Edmunds can handle TEs but having that LB spot undermanned is scary. I think with Milano’s hammy and the rainy forecast we will see a similar situation as them holding out Singletary vs the Titans 

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i get it wet conditions can still contribute to further damage of a healing hammy injury but isn't the main concern the turf?  Titans are natural grass and the bills artificial, better footing, drainage, etc.

 

not discounting that McD may choose to be cautious but don't you think it's less likely a primary factor when it's artificial turf?

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12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Both Milano and Thompson are questionable - game time decisions. Limited all week. If Maurice Alexander starts at LB it’s going to be very tough sledding with not only Ertz/Goddert at TE  but Jordan Howard. We saw that last week - mark walton was getting chunk yards on the ground and mike gesiki had success in the pass game. All those guys from last week aren’t as good as all the guys coming in this week. At every position. OL, WR. QB, RB. TE. I think Hyde and Edmunds can handle TEs but having that LB spot undermanned is scary. I think with Milano’s hammy and the rainy forecast we will see a similar situation as them holding out Singletary vs the Titans 

 

Wow, I hoped we would get at least one back.  We seemed to adjust somewhat in the 2nd half against Mi Yammi.  I hope Frazier and McD have notions.

 

But Beasley, WTF?

 

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13 minutes ago, Say When... said:

i get it wet conditions can still contribute to further damage of a healing hammy injury but isn't the main concern the turf?  Titans are natural grass and the bills artificial, better footing, drainage, etc.

 

not discounting that McD may choose to be cautious but don't you think it's less likely a primary factor when it's artificial turf?

Good point 

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I’m a little confused why they didn’t choose to address the position in the bye and even this week. They know hamstrings take time. No telling when Thompson’s ankle would’ve been right. I get that there is no all pro linebacker walking through those doors anytime soon to replace them, but the fact that they are leaning on a third string, special teams ace and converted safety is concerning. Especially in light of last weeks results. What happens if Mo Alexander gets hurt? They probably assumed one or both would be back by now, but knowing how conservative they are with injuries, just thought they would’ve tried to bring someone else in just in case. 

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3 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

I’m a little confused why they didn’t choose to address the position in the bye and even this week. They know hamstrings take time. No telling when Thompson’s ankle would’ve been right. I get that there is no all pro linebacker walking through those doors anytime soon to replace them, but the fact that they are leaning on a third string, special teams ace and converted safety is concerning. Especially in light of last weeks results. What happens if Mo Alexander gets hurt? They probably assumed one or both would be back by now, but knowing how conservative they are with injuries, just thought they would’ve tried to bring someone else in just in case. 

I took it as a good sign that they didn’t bring anyone in. But now I’m not so sure. 

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2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I took it as a good sign that they didn’t bring anyone in. But now I’m not so sure. 

Same here. That’s what makes it more puzzling. They have more information than we do. Both guys are now trending toward inactive two straight weeks after the bye. Just seems odd they wouldn’t bring in help. Especially seeing what happened last week. Who knows, maybe one will actually play making this all moot. 

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I think the rain could play to our favor in this game, shortening the field a bit, and bringing our corners closer to the LOS, and also causing both teams to run more. This could be a big game for Motor. 

But also, we now have three WRs with exceptionally reliable hands in Smoke, Cole, and Duke (assuming Duke plays). This may not be the game where Allen dials in the long bombs, but some of Daboll's gadget plays could hit big. 

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49 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

I’m a little confused why they didn’t choose to address the position in the bye and even this week. They know hamstrings take time. No telling when Thompson’s ankle would’ve been right. I get that there is no all pro linebacker walking through those doors anytime soon to replace them, but the fact that they are leaning on a third string, special teams ace and converted safety is concerning. Especially in light of last weeks results. What happens if Mo Alexander gets hurt? They probably assumed one or both would be back by now, but knowing how conservative they are with injuries, just thought they would’ve tried to bring someone else in just in case. 

 

As I understand it Thompson had a "clean out" procedure done and the timeline for returning from those seems usually better-defined than a straight injury

But, maybe not.

 

Apparently Milano was out of the red jersey though

 

9 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I think the rain could play to our favor in this game, shortening the field a bit, and bringing our corners closer to the LOS, and also causing both teams to run more. This could be a big game for Motor. 

But also, we now have three WRs with exceptionally reliable hands in Smoke, Cole, and Duke (assuming Duke plays). This may not be the game where Allen dials in the long bombs, but some of Daboll's gadget plays could hit big. 

 

Duke still in red jersey on Friday, questionable

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5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

As I understand it Thompson had a "clean out" procedure done and the timeline for returning from those seems usually better-defined than a straight injury

But, maybe not.

 

Apparently Milano was out of the red jersey though

 

 

Duke still in red jersey on Friday, questionable

Looks like Foster may get a crack at the lineup.

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16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

As I understand it Thompson had a "clean out" procedure done and the timeline for returning from those seems usually better-defined than a straight injury

But, maybe not.

 

Apparently Milano was out of the red jersey though

 

 

Duke still in red jersey on Friday, questionable

One of the reporters said Milano didn’t need a red jersey because it was soft tissue or something and contact wasn’t an issue -?but it didn’t mean he was further ahead than Duke - not sure though 

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32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

One of the reporters said Milano didn’t need a red jersey because it was soft tissue or something and contact wasn’t an issue -?but it didn’t mean he was further ahead than Duke - not sure though 

 

Do you got a linky?

 

It doesn't make sense to me just from what you've written above

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Well on the plus the Bills aren't coming off a bye...

I'm not sure how much was attributable to Alexander being in there and how much was attributable to coming off the bye.

 

Guess we will find out if neither Thompson or Milano play.

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40 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

We all should know rain doesn't do anything to the passing game. Only wind and extreme cold I think QBs have said.

Conventional wisdom holds that rain decreases passing efficiency in numerous ways, including limiting the WR's ability to cut, making it harder for a QB to maintain a tight spiral, and harder for receivers to grip the ball. Faster thrown balls are harder to catch when they're wet. Grass fields, especially will cause route runners to lose traction making it harder to adjust to the ball. There are stats that back up these concepts.

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3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was on the radio or a podcast, can’t remember. But to me no red jersey is promising 

 

I agree.  I would think contact with a player who has a hamstring could make him aggravate it if it causes him to land wrong

 

I would think a player with an upper body injury, as long as they aren't tackling or throwing him to the ground,  could take contact more easily.

 

But what do I know?

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22 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

I do know 2nd hand that he was taking martial arts classes during off-season which certainly helps with balance.

 

this is what I was thinking of calling him "Mr Minimalist":

https://buffalonews.com/2019/05/25/buffalo-bills-matt-milano-few-possessions-much-promise/
 

“He doesn’t have a whole lot in his apartment,” Bills linebacker Julian Stanford said. “A couch, TV, I think he just bought a desk and he’s trying to find a chair. But that’s it.”

 

“In his bedroom, he has a clothes rack, and that’s where his clothes are, on the rack, no dresser, no nothing. And a mattress on the floor,” Milano’s dad, Mike, said. “It’s hysterical.”

“I just try to keep it to a minimum. A minimum is better. Once you start getting too much stuff in your life, your mind gets cluttered, your head gets cluttered, you can’t think straight on the field, so I just try to eliminate all distractions as much as possible.”

 

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10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

this is what I was thinking of calling him "Mr Minimalist":

https://buffalonews.com/2019/05/25/buffalo-bills-matt-milano-few-possessions-much-promise/
 

“He doesn’t have a whole lot in his apartment,” Bills linebacker Julian Stanford said. “A couch, TV, I think he just bought a desk and he’s trying to find a chair. But that’s it.”

 

“In his bedroom, he has a clothes rack, and that’s where his clothes are, on the rack, no dresser, no nothing. And a mattress on the floor,” Milano’s dad, Mike, said. “It’s hysterical.”

“I just try to keep it to a minimum. A minimum is better. Once you start getting too much stuff in your life, your mind gets cluttered, your head gets cluttered, you can’t think straight on the field, so I just try to eliminate all distractions as much as possible.”

 

 

 

Yes I remember the article.  A friend who teaches martial arts in Erie County talked to me saying you are a football fan, explain this player to me and I pointed him to article.

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2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Conventional wisdom holds that rain decreases passing efficiency in numerous ways, including limiting the WR's ability to cut, making it harder for a QB to maintain a tight spiral, and harder for receivers to grip the ball. Faster thrown balls are harder to catch when they're wet. Grass fields, especially will cause route runners to lose traction making it harder to adjust to the ball. There are stats that back up these concepts.

 

good points but the Bills don't play on grass at home......

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2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Conventional wisdom holds that rain decreases passing efficiency in numerous ways, including limiting the WR's ability to cut, making it harder for a QB to maintain a tight spiral, and harder for receivers to grip the ball. Faster thrown balls are harder to catch when they're wet. Grass fields, especially will cause route runners to lose traction making it harder to adjust to the ball. There are stats that back up these concepts.

It really doesn't though which is what's crazy.

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14 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

I think Thompson is more likely to play than Milano.  Just my opinion.

He’s not Milano, but he’s also not Maurice Alexander if you know what I mean. MA is not a starting caliber LB. 

22 minutes ago, JoeF said:

We got good/extremely accurage Fitzy last week and I think good Fitzy is better than Wentz....gives me a bit of confidence.

Fitz was just chucking it up with abandon last week and getting lucky on some of those tbh. I’m not sure Wentz will be playing as freely, he’s under a lot of mental pressure. But he has a bigger arm and clearly more talented. And has Better weapons. Fitz however played like he had nothing to lose. That won’t be the case with Wentz 

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Fitzpatrick has always been a streaky QB.  He's fearless and will put up some balls he shouldn't sometimes.  The result is clusters of interceptions.  He got pretty hot against Buffalo last Sunday.  Wentz is not the most accurate passer in the league by far.  He likes to fling the ball deep and without Desean Jackson he just doesn't have the weapons to do what he likes.  Ertz is a really good and reliable short and intermediate range receiver at the TE position, but he's not the athletic deep threat of some other elite, athletic TEs in the league.  Anyway, the result is Wentz will overlook opportunities to complete short passes on occasion because he's looking for the chance to hit a deep strike that may never come.  That may give the Bills a chance to make some big plays on defense.  

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1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

I think Thompson is more likely to play than Milano.  Just my opinion.

I've come to learn this season that any Bill listed as questionable or a game time decision is likely not to play. Sucks cause Milano was sorely missed last week and will be again if inactive.

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As much as we’ve been spoiled this year so far by our stellar D, I agree it’s super worrying if both still are no-go’s this week against a much better personnel group than Miami brought—this is where our relatively intact O needs to step up and carry the game by simply outscoring the Iggles straight up—we need to be able to rely on that if we expect to go far in the playoffs this year!

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11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Both Milano and Thompson are questionable - game time decisions. Limited all week. If Maurice Alexander starts at LB it’s going to be very tough sledding with not only Ertz/Goddert at TE  but Jordan Howard. We saw that last week - mark walton was getting chunk yards on the ground and mike gesiki had success in the pass game. All those guys from last week aren’t as good as all the guys coming in this week. At every position. OL, WR. QB, RB. TE. I think Hyde and Edmunds can handle TEs but having that LB spot undermanned is scary. I think with Milano’s hammy and the rainy forecast we will see a similar situation as them holding out Singletary vs the Titans 

 

If we can't win the game because Matt Milano isn't in there then we never had a shot to begin with, he's a very good LB for us but holy hell, it's called game planning for the teams best players, like Belicheat you take out your opponents best players, so cover Ertz with a LB and S? He's been shut down alot this season, Wentz can carve up defenses but if we get to him like we did to Tennessee then he like many QB's under distress can be beat.

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16 hours ago, Boca BIlls said:

We all should know rain doesn't do anything to the passing game. Only wind and extreme cold I think QBs have said.

I wonder if our receivers would agree.  A Josh Allen fastball is hard to catch when dry.  I cant imagine when wet.

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