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LETS GO RAMS!!!!!

 

The sad thing is IF the Ravens lose ...  They still own the AFCN and the Bills can't overtake them in the seeding. 

seems the tie breakers changes a bit since my last post 

 

ESPN standings https://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/view/playoff

 

# 3 Houston Texans   Wins tie break over Kansas City based on head-to-head win percentage

#6    Pittsburgh    Wins tie break over Oakland based on best win percentage in conference games. Wins tie break over Indianapolis based on head-to-head sweep. Division tie break was initially used to eliminate Tennessee (Indianapolis wins tie break over Tennessee based on head-to-head win percentage)


#7    Oakland      Wins tie break over Indianapolis based on head-to-head win percentage. Division tie break was initially used to eliminate Tennessee (Indianapolis wins tie break over Tennessee based on head-to-head win percentage)


#8    Indianapolis    Wins tie break over Tennessee based on head-to-head win percentage.

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NYT   https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/upshot/nfl-playoff-picture.html

 

Bills    8-3    Playoff Chances    81%

 

 

CBS https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/standings/playoffrace

AFC
SEED TEAM DIVISION RECORD
1 East 10-1-0
2 North 8-2-0
3 South 7-4-0
4 West 7-4-0
5 East 8-3-0
6 North 6-5-0

AFC tiebreakers:

  • Houston is ahead of Kansas City based on head to head (1-0).
  • Indianapolis is ahead of Tennessee in the AFC South based on head to head (1-0).
  • Pittsburgh and Oakland are ahead of Indianapolis based on head-to-head sweep (2-0).
  • Pittsburgh is ahead of Oakland based on conference record (5-3 to the Raiders' 4-3).
  • Jacksonville is ahead of the L.A. Chargers and the N.Y. Jets based on conference record (Jaguars' 4-5 to the Chargers' 2-6 and the Jets' 1-6).
  • The L.A. Chargers are ahead of the N.Y. Jets based on conference record (2-6 to the Jets' 1-6).

 

NFC tiebreakers:

  • Green Bay is ahead of Minnesota in the NFC North based on head to head (1-0).
  • Chicago is ahead of Philadelphia and Carolina based on conference record (Bears' 4-4 to the Eagles' 3-5 and the Panthers' 2-6).
  • Philadelphia is ahead of Carolina based on conference record (Eagles' 3-5 to the Panthers' 2-6).
  • Detroit is ahead of Arizona based on conference record (2-5-1 to the Cardinals' 2-6-1).
  • The N.Y. Giants are ahead of Washington based on head to head (1-0).
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I think 9-7 makes it. But I think we’re on the outside looking in due to tie breakers if we can’t get to 10. We should be worried about the Browns. I don’t see the finishing worse than 7-9

15 hours ago, zow2 said:

Between games vs Pittsburgh, Arizona and BALTIMORE, the Browns could lose 2 of those  

Only see them losing to the ravens. But keep in mind, they dominated the ravens earlier this year. They also be Steelers who have a terrible QBs situation. Arizona has also found ways to lose all year. I think the browns beat the Steelers next week and hopefully we can get to 10 to fill out the last 2 slots 

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50 minutes ago, unclepete said:

I think 9-7 makes it. But I think we’re on the outside looking in due to tie breakers if we can’t get to 10. We should be worried about the Browns. I don’t see the finishing worse than 7-9

 

Only see them losing to the ravens. But keep in mind, they dominated the ravens earlier this year. They also be Steelers who have a terrible QBs situation. Arizona has also found ways to lose all year. I think the browns beat the Steelers next week and hopefully we can get to 10 to fill out the last 2 slots 

 

Steelers ... Not a great team. They struggled against the Bengals. and IMO  Late season performances are different than early season performances. 

NYJETS ... Not a great team. The Sam HYPE is overrated IMO.  

 

Dallas...  Has weaknesses

NE*** ...  Has weaknesses. Tom is not much better than Josh for the season.  15 TD to 15 TD passing. 

Ravens ....  I want the Bills to crush them badly.

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28149631/2019-nfl-playoff-picture-afc-nfc-standings-seeds-outlook-week-12

 

Kevin Seifert ESPN Staff Writer

 

We've reached clinching season in the NFL. If all goes well in the coming days for the Saints, they'll have secured the NFC South by this time next week and become the first division winner of the 2019 season. That's one of several upshots from an eventful Sunday in Week 12, including a pair of teams reaching 10 wins atop their respective conferences.

Let's take a closer look at the playoff picture as it stands now through Sunday night of Week 12, using ESPN's Football Power Index (FPI) to inform our analysis.

5. Buffalo Bills (8-3)

The good news is that the Bills have some separation from the rest of the AFC wild-card field. They're likely going to need it as they embark on the most difficult stretch of their schedule. Only one of their eight wins has come against a team that currently has a winning record -- Week 5 against the Titans -- but four of their final five games will be against teams that are above .500 as of Sunday. That list includes three division leaders. Still, FPI is giving them an 82.3% chance to clinch a spot in the postseason, largely because they might need only one or two more wins the rest of the way.

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29 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Just seen on NFLN where the Colts just put Eric Ebron IR.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28160464/colts-put-eric-ebron-ir-ankle-injury

 

Ebron made the Pro Bowl in his first season with the Colts in 2018, catching 66 passes for 750 yards and 13 touchdowns. But his production dipped this season: He has only 31 receptions for 375 yards and three touchdowns.

 

Ebron, who will be a free agent at the end of the season, has 283 receptions for 3,195 yards and 27 touchdowns in a six-year career.

that could make it tougher for Indy 

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6 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Steelers ... Not a great team. They struggled against the Bengals. and IMO  Late season performances are different than early season performances. 

NYJETS ... Not a great team. The Sam HYPE is overrated IMO.  

 

Dallas...  Has weaknesses

NE*** ...  Has weaknesses. Tom is not much better than Josh for the season.  15 TD to 15 TD passing. 

Ravens ....  I want the Bills to crush them badly.

 

Steelers are struggling on offense with Rudolph being benched for their 3rd string QB Hodges...

 

Their defense is playing very well and is #4 right behind the Bills who are #3 in yards allowed per drive...however they are very good at turnovers(especially generating fumbles) per drive ranking #2 in the NFL.  If the Bills play turnover free football they should beat the Steelers and beat them comfortably.

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8 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

LETS GO RAMS!!!!!

 

The sad thing is IF the Ravens lose ...  They still own the AFCN and the Bills can't overtake them in the seeding. 

seems the tie breakers changes a bit since my last post 

 

ESPN standings https://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/view/playoff

 

# 3 Houston Texans   Wins tie break over Kansas City based on head-to-head win percentage

#6    Pittsburgh    Wins tie break over Oakland based on best win percentage in conference games. Wins tie break over Indianapolis based on head-to-head sweep. Division tie break was initially used to eliminate Tennessee (Indianapolis wins tie break over Tennessee based on head-to-head win percentage)


#7    Oakland      Wins tie break over Indianapolis based on head-to-head win percentage. Division tie break was initially used to eliminate Tennessee (Indianapolis wins tie break over Tennessee based on head-to-head win percentage)


#8    Indianapolis    Wins tie break over Tennessee based on head-to-head win percentage.

I was actually thinking about it today and do we want Baltimore? If we beat them it will help our strength of victory and record. We can’t possibly catch them unless we think Cleveland passes them for the division title. I’m not sure that this game matters to us. Am I missing something?

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55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I was actually thinking about it today and do we want Baltimore? If we beat them it will help our strength of victory and record. We can’t possibly catch them unless we think Cleveland passes them for the division title. I’m not sure that this game matters to us. Am I missing something?


not really, other than claiming the 2nd best record in the AFC.  

 

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18 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Seth Walder ESPN Analytics 

 

 

After beating the Broncos today, the Bills now have an 82% chance to reach the playoffs per FPI (through 1 p.m. games).

 

Don't know why people pay attention to these things. That great/lucky Russell Wilson pass in the corner of the end zone a few weeks ago had a 3% chance to be caught. How so?

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2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:


not really, other than claiming the 2nd best record in the AFC.  

 

My brother has a bunch of money riding on it so I’ll cheer for the Rams. I actually think it benefits the Bills though if Baltimore wins. It doesn’t help them a lot either way.

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2 hours ago, Dopey said:

Don't know why people pay attention to these things. That great/lucky Russell Wilson pass in the corner of the end zone a few weeks ago had a 3% chance to be caught. How so?

 

I see nothing wrong with the 82% chance to make the playoffs.  
 

it ties into the NYT link. 
 

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

My brother has a bunch of money riding on it so I’ll cheer for the Rams. I actually think it benefits the Bills though if Baltimore wins. It doesn’t help them a lot either way.


I hope it’s not $5k.    ?   ? 

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3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

I see nothing wrong with the 82% chance to make the playoffs.  
 

it ties into the NYT link. 
 


I hope it’s not $5k.    ?   ? 

He wins some handicapping pool and something else if they cover. I think it’s about $1500 to him or something like that. 

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My god the Rams SUCK ... 

 

And NE could only score 13 points against them last Feb!!!!!!  3 by halftime!!!

 

11 hours ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

We want Baltimore to lose in case Pittsburgh passes them.  It increases our odds by 1% according to NYT playoff machine.  Not significant at all.

 

That isn't happening.   

 

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Week 13 match ups

AFC Rooting Interests - Red is a tossup I dunno who I want or the Bills need  .... some it just doesn't matter and or who I want to root for just because 

 

MATCH UP HOME TEAM NAT TV
Buffalo Dallas CBS
Cleveland Pittsburgh CBS
Tennessee Indianapolis CBS
Oakland Kansas City CBS
Los Angeles Chargers Denver CBS
New England Houston NBC
San Francisco Baltimore FOX
Philadelphia Miami FOX
Tampa Bay Jacksonville FOX
New York Jets Cincinnati CBS
     
Green Bay New York Giants FOX
New Orleans Atlanta NBC
Washington Carolina CBS
Los Angeles Rams Arizona FOX
Minnesota Seattle ESPN
Chicago Detroit FOX
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Buffalo 8-3  with a 2 game buffer the 5th seed

REMAINING OPPONENTS: at Cowboys (6-5), vs. Ravens (9-2), at Steelers (6-5), at Patriots (10-1), vs. Jets (4-7)

 

Steelers 6-5 sneak into the 6th seed.  

REMAINING OPPONENTS: vs. Browns (5-6), at Cardinals (3-7-1), vs. Bills (8-3), at Jets (4-7), at Ravens (9-2)

 

Raiders 6-5 slip to the 7th seed 

REMAINING OPPONENTS: at Chiefs (7-4), vs. Titans (6-5), vs. Jaguars (4-7), at Chargers (4-7), at Broncos (3-8)

 

Colts 6-5  8th seed 

REMAINING OPPONENTS: vs. Titans (6-5), at Buccaneers (4-7), at Saints (9-2), vs. Panthers (5-6), at Jaguars (4-7)

 

Titans 6-5 9th seed 

REMAINING OPPONENTS: at Colts (6-5), at Raiders (6-5), vs. Texans (7-4), vs. Saints (9-2), at Texans (7-4)

 

Browns 5-6 10th seed 

REMAINING OPPONENTS: at Steelers (6-5), vs. Bengals (0-11), at Cardinals (3-7-1), vs. Ravens (9-2), at Bengals (0-11)

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I put the Bills at 10-6 with wins against the Jets and Steelers, and then went about selecting other games to see how long it'd take our chances to fall below 50%. I got to 25 individual games going not ideally in our favor before that happened. It took about 23 to get below 95%. No idea how "maximally un-ideal" my choices were, but if we win those two games, we're in.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/saints-49ers-patriots-clinch-playoff-184131496.html
 

 

Saints, 49ers and Patriots can clinch playoff spots this week
 

 

New England would lock up a spot with a win and losses or ties by either the Raiders or the Steelers. If the Patriots tie the Texans, they’d get in with losses by at least two of the Raiders, Steelers and Colts.

 

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/afc-playoff-picture-big-games-130534294.html

 

5. Bills (8-3) The next four weeks are the toughest of the season for Buffalo, but they’ve put themselves in position to absorb a loss or two without fatally damaging their postseason bid.

 

ELIMINATED
16. Bengals (0-11) Andy Dalton‘s back in the saddle with a two-game edge on competitors for the top pick in the draft.

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On 11/26/2019 at 8:58 AM, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Week 13 match ups

AFC Rooting Interests - Red is a tossup I dunno who I want or the Bills need  .... some it just doesn't matter and or who I want to root for just because 

 

MATCH UP HOME TEAM NAT TV
Buffalo Dallas CBS
Cleveland Pittsburgh CBS
Tennessee Indianapolis CBS
Oakland Kansas City CBS
Los Angeles Chargers Denver CBS
New England Houston NBC
San Francisco Baltimore FOX
Philadelphia Miami FOX
Tampa Bay Jacksonville FOX
New York Jets Cincinnati CBS
     
Green Bay New York Giants FOX
New Orleans Atlanta NBC
Washington Carolina CBS
Los Angeles Rams Arizona FOX
Minnesota Seattle ESPN
Chicago Detroit FOX

 

For the red: 

I'm rooting for Pittsburgh.  Cleveland is hot right now and to me the better team.  A loss pretty much ends them so that is what I am rooting for.

I'm rooting for Tennessee.  We own the tie breaker over them.

I'm rooting for Baltimore.  I would like to see them keep pace with the Patriots this week so when they lose to the Bills it doesn't end their hopes for a bye.

 

I disagree with a couple of your bolded.

I'm rooting for Houston.  The division is in play if the Patriots drop this game and the Bills can beat them in foxboro.  Plus I will never root for the Patriots unless it has some huge benefit for the Bills.  This game doesn't meet this criteria.

I'm rooting for Tampa Bay.  End Jacksonville's season.

 

For the non bolded:

I'm rooting for Miami.  Ruin the tank and help our strength of victory

I'm rooting for Washington.  Help the strength of victory

I'm rooting for Giants.  I bet you can guess why lol.

 

All this said just win baby!!!  Still rooting for the division.  Beat Dallas when they are reeling, beat the Ravens after having extra prep time, beat the Steelers and Duck Dodge, end the dynasty, beat the running for the buses Jets!  Let's Go Buffalo!!!

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31 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

For the red: 

I'm rooting for Pittsburgh.  Cleveland is hot right now and to me the better team.  A loss pretty much ends them so that is what I am rooting for.

I'm rooting for Tennessee.  We own the tie breaker over them.

I'm rooting for Baltimore.  I would like to see them keep pace with the Patriots this week so when they lose to the Bills it doesn't end their hopes for a bye.

 

I disagree with a couple of your bolded.

I'm rooting for Houston.  The division is in play if the Patriots drop this game and the Bills can beat them in foxboro.  Plus I will never root for the Patriots unless it has some huge benefit for the Bills.  This game doesn't meet this criteria.

I'm rooting for Tampa Bay.  End Jacksonville's season.

 

For the non bolded:

I'm rooting for Miami.  Ruin the tank and help our strength of victory

I'm rooting for Washington.  Help the strength of victory

I'm rooting for Giants.  I bet you can guess why lol.

 

All this said just win baby!!!  Still rooting for the division.  Beat Dallas when they are reeling, beat the Ravens after having extra prep time, beat the Steelers and Duck Dodge, end the dynasty, beat the running for the buses Jets!  Let's Go Buffalo!!!

 

The division is in play, only in that we can win more games than NE this season. We have virtually the same schedule, we lost to Philly and Cleveland. NE beat them. We HAVE to beat Dallas and Baltimore to leap frog them, and then beat NE in NE. More or less winning out. NE does not have an NFC game left on the schedule. So if they only lost to us, they would take the tie breaker from either SoS or SoV.

 

We would tie in H2H, Division, Conference, and Common Opponents. Buffalo losing to Philly and Cleveland doesn't help. New England only losing to Buffalo down the stretch gives them the edge for both SoS and SoV. We would need them to drop an addition game from Houston or KC. But then we have more wins. Division is ONLY in play if Buffalo wins out and NE drops 2. If we lose the Baltimore game, NE would then need to lose 2 in a row to Houston and KC, then lose to Buffalo at Gillette. Only option is to just flat out win more games than BB and TB. 

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1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

The division is in play, only in that we can win more games than NE this season. We have virtually the same schedule, we lost to Philly and Cleveland. NE beat them. We HAVE to beat Dallas and Baltimore to leap frog them, and then beat NE in NE. More or less winning out. NE does not have an NFC game left on the schedule. So if they only lost to us, they would take the tie breaker from either SoS or SoV.

 

We would tie in H2H, Division, Conference, and Common Opponents. Buffalo losing to Philly and Cleveland doesn't help. New England only losing to Buffalo down the stretch gives them the edge for both SoS and SoV. We would need them to drop an addition game from Houston or KC. But then we have more wins. Division is ONLY in play if Buffalo wins out and NE drops 2. If we lose the Baltimore game, NE would then need to lose 2 in a row to Houston and KC, then lose to Buffalo at Gillette. Only option is to just flat out win more games than BB and TB. 

 

I am with you on all of this.  As you state none of it can happen without them losing to Houston first so that is what I am rooting for.  I don't think they will but I will be rooting for it!

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

This is who we should want.

 

Bills over Cowboys

Titans over Colts

Browns over Steelers

Chiefs over Raiders

Texans over Patriots (This starts opening the division lead back up)

 

Only one I disagree with is Browns over Steelers.  Browns are hot right now records be damned.  The Steelers and their third string qb are more likely to fall apart imo.

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7 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Only one I disagree with is Browns over Steelers.  Browns are hot right now records be damned.  The Steelers and their third string qb are more likely to fall apart imo.


Not only that: The Bills still get to play the Steelers and thus, to earn the tiebreaker against them.

The Bills have already lost to the Browns, so in a scenario where they both finish 10-6, the Browns would get in over the Bills.

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1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

The division is in play, only in that we can win more games than NE this season. We have virtually the same schedule, we lost to Philly and Cleveland. NE beat them. We HAVE to beat Dallas and Baltimore to leap frog them, and then beat NE in NE. More or less winning out. NE does not have an NFC game left on the schedule. So if they only lost to us, they would take the tie breaker from either SoS or SoV.

 

We would tie in H2H, Division, Conference, and Common Opponents. Buffalo losing to Philly and Cleveland doesn't help. New England only losing to Buffalo down the stretch gives them the edge for both SoS and SoV. We would need them to drop an addition game from Houston or KC. But then we have more wins. Division is ONLY in play if Buffalo wins out and NE drops 2. If we lose the Baltimore game, NE would then need to lose 2 in a row to Houston and KC, then lose to Buffalo at Gillette. Only option is to just flat out win more games than BB and TB. 

I know it won't happen but I think they either have to lose the next three and we win out or I'm pretty sure if we win out and they lose one more game to miami or maybe ?bengals? 

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4 hours ago, section122 said:

For the red: 

I'm rooting for Pittsburgh.  Cleveland is hot right now and to me the better team.  A loss pretty much ends them so that is what I am rooting for.


Cleveland is on a win streak. So yeah. 
The Steelers switching QBs is still a mystery with the 6th seed.  

 

4 hours ago, section122 said:

For the non bolded:

I'm rooting for Miami.  Ruin the tank and help our strength of victory

I'm rooting for Washington.  Help the strength of victory

I'm rooting for Giants.  I bet you can guess why lol.

 

All this said just win baby!!!  Still rooting for the division.  Beat Dallas when they are reeling, beat the Ravens after having extra prep time, beat the Steelers and Duck Dodge, end the dynasty, beat the running for the buses Jets!  Let's Go Buffalo!!!


we beat Miami and lost to Philadelphia.  How does sos fit there?  Philly has the better record.  

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5 hours ago, section122 said:

 

I am with you on all of this.  As you state none of it can happen without them losing to Houston first so that is what I am rooting for.  I don't think they will but I will be rooting for it!

 

Only one I disagree with is Browns over Steelers.  Browns are hot right now records be damned.  The Steelers and their third string qb are more likely to fall apart imo.


not worried about browns. They will drop one more. 

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7 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:


we beat Miami and lost to Philadelphia.  How does sos fit there?  Philly has the better record.  

 

Since we played miami twice them winning would increase our strength of victory by more wouldnt it?  Or does it still only count once?

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13 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

This is who we should want.

 

Bills over Cowboys

Titans over Colts

Browns over Steelers

Chiefs over Raiders

Texans over Patriots (This starts opening the division lead back up)

This would be my dream scenario too.

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14 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

This is who we should want.

 

Bills over Cowboys

Titans over Colts

Browns over Steelers

Chiefs over Raiders

Texans over Patriots (This starts opening the division lead back up)


i think a lot of fans are so used to thanksgiving meaning you need 9 games to go right to stay alive that they are missing that we are as close to locks as humanly possible and chasing the pats and by proxy potentially home field advantages/byes is probably the better one to root for.

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Why not just pie in the sky?.......

 

Patriots are illing this week. Will lose to Houston. No reason to think that Mahomes and the Chiefs won't beat them in Foxboro the following week.

 

Ravens could easily lose to SF this week but, if not, can lose to the Bills the following week.

 

If we truly Billieve in The Process, it's very reasonable to believe we can run the table.

 

Final records:

Pats 12-4 (losses to BAL, HOU, KC, BUF) -------> #5 seed WC

BAL 13-3 (losses to KC, CLE, BUF) or 12-4 (losses to KC, CLE, SF, BUF) -------> #2 seed BYE

BUF 13-3 -------> #1 seed BYE (head-to-head tie-breaker over BAL or record)

 

Screw the rest of the scenarios!

BOOM.....(mouse drop)

 

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On 11/27/2019 at 11:16 AM, Mango said:

 

The division is in play, only in that we can win more games than NE this season. [TRUE] We have virtually the same schedule, we lost to Philly and Cleveland. NE beat them. We HAVE to beat Dallas and Baltimore to leap frog them, and then beat NE in NE. [TRUE] More or less winning out. NE does not have an NFC game left on the schedule. So if they only lost to us, they would take the tie breaker from either SoS or SoV. [NOT TRUE. 14-2 record]

 

We would tie in H2H, Division, Conference, and Common Opponents.[NOT TRUE] Buffalo losing to Philly and Cleveland doesn't help. New England only losing to Buffalo down the stretch gives them the edge for both SoS and SoV. We would need them to drop an addition game from Houston or KC. But then we have more wins. Division is ONLY in play if Buffalo wins out and NE drops 2. [NOT TRUE] If we lose the Baltimore game, NE would then need to lose 2 in a row to Houston and KC, then lose to Buffalo at Gillette. [NOT TRUE. Tie-breaker at 12-4 still goes to NEOnly option is to just flat out win more games than BB and TB. [TRUE]

Best possible Bills record is 13-3. Bills need to win-out to take the division unless the Pats have a meltdown (or TB blows knee). Tie-breaker at 13-3 goes to the Pats.

Pats would need to finish no better than 12-4. Best way to those 3 additional losses are against HOU, KC, and BUF.

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