jrober38 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: He was horrible. The Pats scored 10 offensive points and didn't deserve to win. Like I said: great defenses make even good QBs look bad. It happened to Brady today. It also happened to Allen. Your agenda won't let you see that. For you, it HAS to be about more than that. The Pats don't have a great defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Brady took what was there, which was next to nothing. Our defense is outstanding. Brady, unlike Allen, knows when to not throw the ball into coverage. Way to contradict yourself. LMAO ahhh wouldn’t it be so nice if ever QB could throw 3-5 intentional groundings and never get called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: The Pats don't have a great defense. Oh really? Explain that one. I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, Bevis said: Allen is not playing like a franchise QB while younger QB's are already showing more promise, and then ofc we have the Mahomes issue. Allen said he'd stop the hero ball crap after that terrible pick in the Bengals game, yet he fell right back into that ***** today. Not good, doesn't look like he's capable of not falling back on the poor decision making, add to that his accuracy on the deep ball is nonexistent. so you didn’t watch the game. Still waiting for the 4 TOs. 3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: It has. And now it's not. Tough for people to understand, apparently. it’s not difficult to understand actually. we don’t quite know how Allen will turn out. He could end up being another failed QB that guys like you anointed the savior for no reason other than blind hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 OP lost me at “good weapons” Frail Bease, Zay the bust, and Lee Smith ain’t it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I think he's clearly a better QB than what he was last year...and I think he's got a ways to go. Why you feel so desperate to validate a pre-draft take that was absurd from the start that you only show up in a post-game thread after his first lousy performance of the season is what is baffling. You can call it baffling but really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Brady took what was there, which was next to nothing. Our defense is outstanding. Brady, unlike Allen, knows when to not throw the ball into coverage. Way to contradict yourself. LMAO And New England’S defense was terrible? Do you even think about the BS you spew? Edited September 29, 2019 by Meatloaf63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 42 minutes ago, Dafan said: Can't really say he failed....he didn't finish the game. He stays in and I think Bills score the go ahead TD. Agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: ummmm it has been. But again that does show improvement and contradicts the points of no improvement being shown it literally proves nothing. Barkley came in cold off the bench and had 127 passing yards in less than a quarter. 200 yards in today’s NFL isn’t anything to write home about. Edited September 29, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The Pats don't have a great defense. LOL wtf did I just read 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Today was his first game of the season where inaccuracy was a major issue. He missed several easy short completions, especially early in the game. Eventually he needs to hit a deep ball to an NFL open receiver. All that arm talent and he wastes it by overthrowing everyone down the field. I can live with the dumb interceptions now and again but he can't be this inconsistent with reading the field and hitting his receivers in stride. Pretty demoralizing performance from him today. Yeah maybe he would have won the game if not for the concussion but honestly we should have had the game won by halftime. We can't always wait for the 4th quarter for Allen to turn it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: Oh really? Explain that one. I'll wait. Their secondary is good. Looking at their front seven, I'm not sure they have anyone who would start in our defensive front seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, corta765 said: 4 Turnovers plus a sack that took them out of FG range. He was a big part of the points NE got and the lack of scoring we had. For right now it’s OK but it forces some not fun questions about his play which is very up and down Yes, a young QB’s play is generally up and down. Why is this surprising to you? Do you’re recognize names like Aikman and Peyton? Maybe you should look it up? HOF QB’s don’t always look like HOF QB’s as rookies, which is essentially what Josh is with 15 starts. I’m NOT saying he’s all that, but I’m smart enough to know you can’t tell yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Their secondary is good. Looking at their front seven, I'm not sure they have anyone who would start in our defensive front seven. How many sacks they get today? How the final Bills play go? Edited September 29, 2019 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 27 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Why can't anyone have a conversation about how our QB has been one of the worst starters in the league this year? Why is this just being dismissed? Because you’re a crusader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: How many sacks they get today? How the final Bills play go? They had 5 sacks. A few were the result of our QBs holding the ball too long. The last play they got a ton of pressure and got a tipped pass for an interception. How many of their defensive front seven starters would start for us? Their defense is very good, but I view ours as much better. Our defense is up their with Chicago as the best in the league. Edited September 29, 2019 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I think Josh is a little overconfident - not cocky, but a bit too sure of himself at times. In the previous three games, he put the game on his shoulders, took too many chances, and made some costly mistakes. But he rallied the team in the fourth quarter and got three wins, so he figured he could keep doing it. If he hadn't been injured, it's possible that he would have pulled off a game-winning drive today. Hopefully, this is a wake-up call for him. Fourth quarter heroics can't always make up for undisciplined play earlier in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: Yes, a young QB’s play is generally up and down. Why is this surprising to you? Do you’re recognize names like Aikman and Peyton? Maybe you should look it up? HOF QB’s don’t always look like HOF QB’s as rookies, which is essentially what Josh is with 15 starts. I’m NOT saying he’s all that, but I’m smart enough to know you can’t tell yet. Jesus he had a bad day which opened some questions. It was referendum on his career today. Your right aikman manning weren’t HOFs day one yet Watson Mahomes and Jackson all seem to not be having as many issues. The kids got talent and seems like he has the potential to be the dude but he’s got to be smarter and do better. He didn’t a real test today which is OK but I want better and he better do better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Nope. Pats O - 1 TD + 1 FG Bills O - 1 TD + 1 FG STs were the difference I would argue Allen's turnovers were at least as big a difference. You could argue he took 6 points off the board with sacks, and he gave the Pats good field position too many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 30 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Why can't anyone have a conversation about how our QB has been one of the worst starters in the league this year? Why is this just being dismissed? QBR is the worst stat ever invented. You'd rather have a guy like Trubisky? Or Brissett? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Nope. Pats O - 1 TD + 1 FG Bills O - 1 TD + 1 FG STs were the difference Thank you somebody finally said it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: QBR is the worst stat ever invented. You'd rather have a guy like Trubisky? Or Brissett? QB Rating not QBR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I'm not going to read through all of this. Yes, he had a bad game, but Brady looked pretty bad as well and we all know how good he is. It was a defensive battle and both QBs struggled. No reason to over react - he is still learning and played against a great defense. Time will tell on if he's the guy, but this game shouldn't be the measuring stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevis Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: so you didn’t watch the game. Still waiting for the 4 TOs. 3-1 You can only post their record for so long, eventually it might not backup your point the way you want. Allen is not "getting it", he's a turnover machine and the defense while great, cannot play like that every game. The next few games will really tell where this team is headed. This is where Bills seasons of the past went off the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Their secondary is good. Looking at their front seven, I'm not sure they have anyone who would start in our defensive front seven. And yet they held the Rams offense to 3 points in the Super Bowl. Ok man, I can't go any further with you. You're apparently willing to go to ridiculous lengths to justify your stance. I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I would argue Allen's turnovers were at least as big a difference. You could argue he took 6 points off the board with sacks, and he gave the Pats good field position too many times. What you can't argue with is that without the block punt TD the Bills win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The Pats don't have a great defense. Holy f---- s---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Why can't anyone have a conversation about how our QB has been one of the worst starters in the league this year? Why is this just being dismissed? I dismiss everything you say about QBs because back in the BBMB days you wanted to trade the entire draft to pick Jamies Winston. Plus you only show up here when they don’t play well. Your opinions in QB play are worthless. Allen got schooled by a master today. He needs to have a Gore or another wise vet sit him down and convince him that the success of the team is not all on him, and he has to stop making that same mistake of throwing late into coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: They had 5 sacks. A few were the result of our QBs holding the ball too long. The last play they got a ton of pressure and got a tipped pass for an interception. How many of their defensive front seven starters would start for us? Their defense is very good, but I view ours as much better. Our defense is up their with Chicago as the best in the league. I agree with that statement. I don't need their starters, ours are great and play as a team. Bears, Bills and Pats have the best units in the league hands down. I can't tell you what order though. Josh isn't gonna be playing a top 1-3 D every week. He'll be fine. Edited September 30, 2019 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Bevis said: You can only post their record for so long, eventually it might not backup your point the way you want. Allen is not "getting it", he's a turnover machine and the defense while great, cannot play like that every game. The next few games will really tell where this team is headed. This is where Bills seasons of the past went off the rails. turnover Machine. Really he had 8 yeah that’s a lot. But I accept them why because he also makes throws OTHER QBs cannot. And because of that. 3-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: And yet they held the Rams offense to 3 points in the Super Bowl. Ok man, I can't go any further with you. You're apparently willing to go to ridiculous lengths to justify your stance. I'm out. Who in their front seven would start for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He was overwhelmed in that 1st half. The moment was too big for him. All it means now is that we're still not sure. He's young, and he could very easily get over these kinds of games - or this could be who he is. A good performance today would have been more assuring, obviously. Now, we need to see a lot more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: QB Rating not QBR. Going by this, RGIII has the best passer rating in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Who in their front seven would start for us? They are the number 1 ranked defense. Stop embarassing yourself over the Allen crusade. Edited September 30, 2019 by Teddy KGB J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I dismiss everything you say about QBs because back in the BBMB days you wanted to trade the entire draft to pick Jamies Winston. Plus you only show up here when they don’t play well. Your opinions in QB play are worthless. Allen got schooled by a master today. He needs to have a Gore or another wise vet sit him down and convince him that the success of the team is not all on him, and he has to stop making that same mistake of throwing late into coverage. Jameis looked pretty damn good today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, corta765 said: Jesus he had a bad day which opened some questions. It was referendum on his career today. Your right aikman manning weren’t HOFs day one yet Watson Mahomes and Jackson all seem to not be having as many issues. The kids got talent and seems like he has the potential to be the dude but he’s got to be smarter and do better. He didn’t a real test today which is OK but I want better and he better do better Nobody wants better more than Josh. It’s the fully expected overreaction that is tiring. YES, is was a horrific performance for a while. BUT, what happened when things started settling down? He went 6-6 on the first TD given up by the Pats this year. Looked like the real deal when they got into the flow. It’s a mix. The bad was HORRIBLE, then there was a bit of encouraging play. Thanks to a dirty hit, we never got to see how it might have played out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: I agree with that statement. Bears, Bills and Chicago have the best units in the league hands down. I can't tell you what order though. Josh isn't gonna be playing a top 1-3 D every week. Bear and Chicago? Did you mean the Pats? Anyways, I think the Bills are the most complete D in the NFL, the Bears have the best front seven, and the Pats have the best secondary (I don't think their front seven is very good). I think the Bears and Bills at 1a and 1b. New England has a good defense, but I don't think it's elite. They don't have any game changers in their front seven, although all their role players fill their roles very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevis Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: turnover Machine. Really he had 8 yeah that’s a lot. But I accept them why because he also makes throws OTHER QBs cannot. And because of that. 3-1 I think you will end up dying on that sword when the record isn't so great because the QB is inconsistent. Good luck. Edited September 30, 2019 by Bevis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: They are the number 1 ranked defense. Stop embarassing yourself over the Allen crusade. They've played 4 garbage offenses. Answer the question. The obvious answer is no one. Our D is much better. Edited September 30, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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