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1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

I think Motor end up a true no. 1 back someday but besides that I agree. Look what Allen did with just competent receivers this year in brown and beasley. A dominant WR will help immensely.

 

TBH I'd like to see a true #1 TE.  Both would be good (WR and TE).  I think Knox has fantastic potential but he's very raw - not just his drops, but his blocking and his route running.  He's got a huge step to take, and I hope he takes it, but he's not a sure bet and we need one.  The glimpses we've seen of Kroft have been nice - he's got better blocking technique and seems to run neat crisp routes, but he's been quite invisible most of the time.

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1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

The nagging concern I have when I look at Allen's season in totality is that there hasn't really been a great deal of progression throughout the course of the season. He's cut down on the turnovers, which is great, but that narrative is a bit skewed by the 3 TO game against the Pats in week 4. He's had four HIGH quality starts; Giants, Dolphins(X2), and Dallas. The Cowboys are the only team in that group with an above average defense. I actually think his week two performance against the Giants was the most encouraging in terms of accuracy and composure. He looked every bit the part of a young franchise QB in that game. I can also look at the Dallas game as proof that he's capable of getting it done under the lights against a quality unit. I just don't know that I've seen the kind of marked improvement I'd like to have seen.

 

BUT; the offensive weaponry is "average" to be generous, so I think we'll find out quite a bit more next season if Beane is able to bring in the right personnel. He's got to consistently play better if he's going to take the next step.

 

Good grief.

 

Will you please consider the goddamn context of the season?

 

Allen had ZERO games on a national stage until that Dallas game, and then it was basically 4 games on a national stage in a row against the #11, #5, #4 and #1 defenses in the NFL... and he went 2-2. And the week before that stretch he played the #10 defense in the NFL and won.

 

And the losses were 1 score games we had a chance to win.

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51 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

....some unpleasant things to consider....

 

The Bills have played one of the easier NFL schedules this year.  The Bills are 1-5 against teams whose QB has a higher QB rating for the season than Josh Allen.  Your lone win against a higher rated QB was in Dallas VS Prescott.

 

The list of QB's that the Bills have defeated this year is a really really bad list.  It's not the Bills fault they got to play the QB's and schedule they played, but when they've had a good QB/team on the schedule, they haven't won.

 

The Bears played one of the easier schedules in 2018 and went 12-4 with their 2nd year QB and a dominant D.  The D had some really great, unsustainable metrics in 2018 that not surprisingly, they haven't been able to replicate in 2019, and Trubisky, hasn't been able to overcome that and carry the team.  I don't really think he's that different than he was last year, just different circumstances.

 

It's not unusual, for a young, ascending team with a young QB, to have a disappointing season, following a season where they jump up and have a good record for the first time in a while.

 

.......something else that should be of concern......MOST, but not all QBs, you can look at their stats for the first16 STARTS of their career, and you can get a real good idea of who they are going to be.  Most improve their YPG by 30-40 yards over their careers, and comp % goes up an average of about 3% higher for their career over what they produce in their first 16 starts.  INT % tends to stay about the same.  It's not certain, but it is probable, the Josh Allen we are seeing now, is the Josh Allen we'll be seeing for as long as he plays, with just minor improvement over time from this point on.

 

Given this, .....(prepares to duck as the stones come hurling toward me) ...The Bills will probably lose their playoff game, and probably will regress a bit in 2020.

 

I do think Allen is a superior QB to Trubisky and his ceiling is higher.  He's already defied what I thought he'd be capable of....so take my prognositcation here knowing I've already been wrong about Allen.

 

Voltz, Let's revisit your prediction thread.  Let's just say in general, at prognostication, you aren't a scary guy just now. 

It does seem a bit troll-ish to come on to a Bills board 2 weeks before our 2nd playoffs in 3 years to predict a playoff loss AND doom and gloom for next year for our team.  I have defended you as "not a troll" before, but this post is pushing the limits for the visiting fan of another team.

 

McDermott has proven he can take bailing wire and castoff players and make a capable defense that will hang in with most teams most games.

 

The Bills will go as Josh Allen goes.  Sure, he could plateau out where he is now, and that's not good enough.  But he seems to have a fierce work ethic coupled to athletic talent and a burning desire to be great, and generally that has the chance to go places.  I don't think "generally speaking" averages apply to him much either way.

 

Zero's predictions:
AFC E

Pats 10-6 (12-3, correct rank order)

Jets 8-8 (6-9, #3, wrong rank)

Bills 7-9 (10-5, #2, wrong rank)

Phins 1-15 (4-11, correct rank order)

AFC N

Steelers 12-4 (8-7, #2, wrong rank)

Browns 10-6 (6-9, #3, wrong rank)

Ravens 9-7 (13-2, #1, 2 slots wrong rank)

Bengals 2-14 (1-14, #4, wrong rank)

AFC W

KC 16-0 (11-4, correct rank)

Chargers 9-7 (5-10, 2 slots wrong rank)

Broncos 4-12 (6-9, correct rank)

Raiders 3-13 (5-10, correct rank)

AFC S

Jaguars 9-7 (5-10, 3 slots wrong rank)

Texans 9-7 (10-5, wrong rank)

Colts 9-7 (7-8, correct rank)

Titans 5-11 (8-7, wrong rank)

 

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40 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Good grief.

 

Will you please consider the goddamn context of the season?

 

Allen had ZERO games on a national stage until that Dallas game, and then it was basically 4 games on a national stage in a row against the #11, #5, #4 and #1 defenses in the NFL... and he went 2-2. And the week before that stretch he played the #10 defense in the NFL and won.

 

And the losses were 1 score games we had a chance to win.

I would say the team had a chance to win largely based on the defense (outside of @NE where he made some big throws after an awful start and the defense was porous).

 

And as I mentioned, the supporting cast is still subpar so it's entirely premature to draw any definitive conclusions either way.

 

Regarding the opposition ie. good defenses; at some point, we've got to stop tipping our cap to the competition and start scoring points. That applies to the ENTIRE offense, but certainly includes Allen.

 

Edit; upon reflection and on a positive note, I'll add that it's not too soon to come to the conclusion that he doesn't suck. He's not a bust. But will he be Tannehill or will he improve his game to the point in which he enters the upper echelon of QB's? That's the unresolved question.

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8 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I would say the team had a chance to win largely based on the defense (outside of @NE where he made some big throws after an awful start and the defense was porous).

 

And as I mentioned, the supporting cast is still subpar so it's entirely premature to draw any definitive conclusions either way.

 

Regarding the opposition ie. good defenses; at some point, we've got to stop tipping our cap to the competition and start scoring points. That applies to the ENTIRE offense, but certainly includes Allen.

 

You're right here.  Allen's pressers "I need to find more completions early" are already starting to loop.

 

The D was porous vs. the Eagles, Browns, and Ravens too, and in 2 out of 3 of those we still had a chance to tie in the final moments.

 

About your original contention that Allen has not shown progression all season, I just don't know what to say.  Compare the 1st NE game to the 2nd NE game and the Eagles game to the Ravens game.

 

I see definite progress in reading the field.  He does need to take another step, though.  If he's still not seeing guys like Brown open across the middle next year, that will be bad.

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4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

TBH I'd like to see a true #1 TE.  Both would be good (WR and TE).  I think Knox has fantastic potential but he's very raw - not just his drops, but his blocking and his route running.  He's got a huge step to take, and I hope he takes it, but he's not a sure bet and we need one.  The glimpses we've seen of Kroft have been nice - he's got better blocking technique and seems to run neat crisp routes, but he's been quite invisible most of the time.

We need to involve both Knox and Kroft in the passing game.    2 WR (Brown, Beasley),  2 TE (Kroft, Knox),  1 RB (Singletary) and 5 OL with Allen would be a good combination that can create some match up problems....Both Knox and Brown have the speed to stretch the field while Kroft and Beasley can man the middle.  I wish that last week's 4th down play was to Kroft or Knox instead of Beasley in the end zone.

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11 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

I'm going to preface what I'm about to say as "I DO NOT HATE JOSH ALLEN." Also, THIS IS NOT A CRUSADE AGAINST ALLEN, nor do I hope Allen fails. I'm rebutting your points, because as they stand, they're not much of points at all if we're going off logic, context and a COMPLETE PICTURE. I WANT ALLEN TO SUCCEED, DESPERATELY

 

You do realize the position he plays right? Please, tell me the team with a QB who started all games this season who isn't responsible for the large majority of their team's TD's this year... And when you are at short & goal, gee, I wonder if a QB run is easier for a big dude like Josh than handing it off? 

You're right, what a juggernaut this 24th ranked offense is. We're the 5th ranked rushing offense, but only the 24th offense overall. Hmmm, that leaves one area, I forget what it is, that might be dragging us down..... Can't remember....Oh yeah, PASSING! And who passes the ball? The QB again! Crazy, I know. We're the 27th ranked passing offense... CAREER YEAR everyone, can't get much better than this!

 

Oh wait, Tyrod lead a similar ranked offense his first year....28th ranked passing offense, 1st ranked rushing offense, and 13th ranked offense overall.

 

You know who had career years that year? Sammy Watkins had 1000+ yards & 9 TD's, and Robert Woods, Chris Hogan & Charles Clay averaged 510 yards a piece & 3 TD's. Tyrod even had almost 600 yards rushing, more than Allen, though less TD's (because we had LeSean McCoy, Karlos Williams & Mike Gillislee scoring plenty). Guess we had greatness back then too right? Tyrod NEVER stalled our offense.... Nope. 

 

Cherry Picking stats to fit your narrative is fun, but in reality you can't manifest a person into something greater just by wishing & hoping hard enough.

 

Imagine how great their years would be if they were hit on even a quarter of the wide open passes that were missed, or all those times the defense set us up in AMAZING field position only for us to come away with nothing passing the ball... Or they were even looked at on their route instead of the QB forcing it to the first read.

 

Weird, but it's possible this team could be WAAAAAY better. 

 

So what's his passer rating in quarters 1-3? I seem to remember there's 45 minutes outside of the 4th quarter that the team has to play which the defense is carrying and keeping it within range. How can you get a 4th quarter comeback unless you're LOSING in the 4th quarter?  Is that a good sign that we were losing so many games to bad teams all the way until the very end? And please, tell me which of those 4th quarter comebacks you were most impressed by:

 

Additionally, what other QB has to be graded by just a single quarter's stats in order to argue their value? How about the COMPLETE picture, where he's ranked 22nd out of 32 QB's in passer rating overall (just 2 spots ahead of Sam Darnold who apparently is garbage according to this board)?

 

Want to factor in QBR, which actually should help given his overall work including rushing & rushing TD's? Oh...he's actually ranked 24th out of 32 QB's in that category... Hmm, maybe there's a last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter QBR you can find to argue how great he is instead of giving the complete picture?

The amazing Jets (reminder, we were scoreless all game until then....but I guess that part of the game is forgotten), the 1-14 Bengals, the 4-11 Dolphins who were 0-6 at the time (and at home!)? Or is the the Steelers game, where we were down a whopping 7 to 10 against a 3rd string QB until the 4th quarter, than squeaked out a 17-10 victory? Again, seeing how we had a total of SEVEN POINTS and were still in the game shows that perhaps it was the defense, not the QB, that was responsible for even giving our sorry offense a chance to win at all!

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TL;DR - So go ahead, don't take it serious, but it's all serious issues that warrant concern. Go ahead & dismiss the facts, that's a symptom of 2019 logic right there anyway. Don't like the facts? Make up your own! Or just take offense to everything that doesn't lineup with the way you want things to be, all so your narrative can fit. 

 

I'm not sure if I should laugh harder at your snark attempts or at the fact that you're comparing Tyrod Taylor's performance when surrounded by Watkins/Woods/Hogan/Goodwin/McCoy/Harvin/Clay in Roman's offense (which is leading the NFL in scoring this year) to Allen's when surrounded by Brown/Beasley/Knox/McKenzie/Foster in Daboll's scheme 🤣

 

If you want to talk about relative contributions to the offense, only 4 QBs have scored more total TDs. Of all NFL QBs, nobody has accounted for a greater percentage of their team's TDs than Allen. None. So the argument that "OF COURSE HE SCORED SO MUCH DUMMY HES A QB!!1!1!1!!1!1" doesn't hold water.

 

The problem you have is that you look at a number and have no clue what it means. Context. It's important. It tells you how to interpret data so that you don't say foolish, false things (like every team's QB scores most of their TDs).

 

Also, don't put words into my mouth so that you have something to rant about. I never said the offense was a juggernaut or that the passing game was where I'd like to see it. What I said was that it's patently absurd to say that the QB is holding back every other part of the offense. Dude, the QB is the offense right now.

 

That was the point.

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58 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I'm not sure if I should laugh harder at your snark attempts or at the fact that you're comparing Tyrod Taylor's performance when surrounded by Watkins/Woods/Hogan/Goodwin/McCoy/Harvin/Clay in Roman's offense (which is leading the NFL in scoring this year) to Allen's when surrounded by Brown/Beasley/Knox/McKenzie/Foster in Daboll's scheme 🤣

 

If you want to talk about relative contributions to the offense, only 4 QBs have scored more total TDs. Of all NFL QBs, nobody has accounted for a greater percentage of their team's TDs than Allen. None. So the argument that "OF COURSE HE SCORED SO MUCH DUMMY HES A QB!!1!1!1!!1!1" doesn't hold water.

 

The problem you have is that you look at a number and have no clue what it means. Context. It's important. It tells you how to interpret data so that you don't say foolish, false things (like every team's QB scores most of their TDs).

 

Also, don't put words into my mouth so that you have something to rant about. I never said the offense was a juggernaut or that the passing game was where I'd like to see it. What I said was that it's patently absurd to say that the QB is holding back every other part of the offense. Dude, the QB is the offense right now.

 

That was the point.

Counter point:

 

Allen vultures TD’s from our RBs which is why his TD% contribution to the offense is so high. Bills RB’s tie for 58th in the NFL in rushing TD’s. 

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5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Counter point:

 

Allen vultures TD’s from our RBs which is why his TD% contribution to the offense is so high. Bills RB’s tie for 58th in the NFL in rushing TD’s. 

 

Worth discussing. My take on that is simply to look at why he ends up getting those goal line touches.

 

Examples like the repeated stuffing of RBs against NE, Washington, and Cleveland in goal line scenarios are a big part of it. The ease with which Allen tends to walk in against even tough defenses is another.

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13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Counter point:

 

Allen vultures TD’s from our RBs which is why his TD% contribution to the offense is so high. Bills RB’s tie for 58th in the NFL in rushing TD’s. 

 

I believe the only 1st down TD run at the goal line by Allen was against the Steelers.  I do recall handing off to a RB 3 straight times against NE in game 1 only to get stuffed.  Allen then scored on a 4th down sneak.  I don't know about you but when we end up inside the 5 yard line I figure Allen is our best bet to score. 

 

Your point is good but IMO you're coming to the wrong conclusion.  It seems to me that our RB's aren't very good close to the end zone.  We don't have big RB's and Singleterry is not a thumper between the tackles.  Gore is a savvy runner and if there's a hole he'll find it but he's past the point in his career where he creates the hole.

 

I could also throw out that I don't hear folks questioning all those Lamer Jackson TD runs near the goal line.  Nor do I hear folks question all those short Jackson TD passes near the goal line in spite of having a stud a RB#1 and a very good RB#2?

 

Sure Allen's ridiculously high % of TD's scored in the Bills offense is an artifact of where the offense is today.  But that shows me that Allen elevates this offense and that we need more pieces around him before the Bills can be more productive on offense.

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

....some unpleasant things to consider....

 

The Bills have played one of the easier NFL schedules this year.  The Bills are 1-5 against teams whose QB has a higher QB rating for the season than Josh Allen.  Your lone win against a higher rated QB was in Dallas VS Prescott.

 

The list of QB's that the Bills have defeated this year is a really really bad list.  It's not the Bills fault they got to play the QB's and schedule they played, but when they've had a good QB/team on the schedule, they haven't won.

 

The Bears played one of the easier schedules in 2018 and went 12-4 with their 2nd year QB and a dominant D.  The D had some really great, unsustainable metrics in 2018 that not surprisingly, they haven't been able to replicate in 2019, and Trubisky, hasn't been able to overcome that and carry the team.  I don't really think he's that different than he was last year, just different circumstances.

 

It's not unusual, for a young, ascending team with a young QB, to have a disappointing season, following a season where they jump up and have a good record for the first time in a while.

 

.......something else that should be of concern......MOST, but not all QBs, you can look at their stats for the first16 STARTS of their career, and you can get a real good idea of who they are going to be.  Most improve their YPG by 30-40 yards over their careers, and comp % goes up an average of about 3% higher for their career over what they produce in their first 16 starts.  INT % tends to stay about the same.  It's not certain, but it is probable, the Josh Allen we are seeing now, is the Josh Allen we'll be seeing for as long as he plays, with just minor improvement over time from this point on.

 

Given this, .....(prepares to duck as the stones come hurling toward me) ...The Bills will probably lose their playoff game, and probably will regress a bit in 2020.

 

I do think Allen is a superior QB to Trubisky and his ceiling is higher.  He's already defied what I thought he'd be capable of....so take my prognositcation here knowing I've already been wrong about Allen.

 

Fair points.  My response:

 

*  Some teams on the rise do follow your path (good - poor - good) but many don't.  For all we know this year was the slump year.  Each team & set of circumstances is different.

 

*  I don't follow the Bears like I follow the Bills so I can't say why they regressed this year.  But it seemed odd that folks were putting it all on Turbisky.  Then I watch the KC/Bears game the other day and find out that the Bears lost all 3 of their TE's from the previous season.  No wonder their QB has struggled.  I also wasn't overwhelmed by the Bears D in the games I saw this year.  Seems to me that this may be a better explanation of the slide then Turbisky sucks.

 

*  You may be right about Allen having plateaued.  But that's not what I'm seeing.  Allen's history at QB is different then most other NFL players and he truly is a project.  His development will also be different.  So far he seems ahead of schedule to me.

 

*  Looking at Allen's first 16 games as a starter which would include 11 games from last season & the first 5 games from this season and comparing them to his last 10 games he's shown significant improvement. There is ZERO evidence that he's anywhere near a plateau.

 

*  Since the BIlls are going on the road for their playoff game they could very well lose it.  IMO the Bill's are underdogs to whoever they play in the playoffs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

....some unpleasant things to consider....

 

The Bills have played one of the easier NFL schedules this year.  The Bills are 1-5 against teams whose QB has a higher QB rating for the season than Josh Allen.  Your lone win against a higher rated QB was in Dallas VS Prescott.

 

The list of QB's that the Bills have defeated this year is a really really bad list.  It's not the Bills fault they got to play the QB's and schedule they played, but when they've had a good QB/team on the schedule, they haven't won.

 

The Bears played one of the easier schedules in 2018 and went 12-4 with their 2nd year QB and a dominant D.  The D had some really great, unsustainable metrics in 2018 that not surprisingly, they haven't been able to replicate in 2019, and Trubisky, hasn't been able to overcome that and carry the team.  I don't really think he's that different than he was last year, just different circumstances.

 

It's not unusual, for a young, ascending team with a young QB, to have a disappointing season, following a season where they jump up and have a good record for the first time in a while.

 

.......something else that should be of concern......MOST, but not all QBs, you can look at their stats for the first16 STARTS of their career, and you can get a real good idea of who they are going to be.  Most improve their YPG by 30-40 yards over their careers, and comp % goes up an average of about 3% higher for their career over what they produce in their first 16 starts.  INT % tends to stay about the same.  It's not certain, but it is probable, the Josh Allen we are seeing now, is the Josh Allen we'll be seeing for as long as he plays, with just minor improvement over time from this point on.

 

Given this, .....(prepares to duck as the stones come hurling toward me) ...The Bills will probably lose their playoff game, and probably will regress a bit in 2020.

 

I do think Allen is a superior QB to Trubisky and his ceiling is higher.  He's already defied what I thought he'd be capable of....so take my prognositcation here knowing I've already been wrong about Allen.

 

The Bills will beat the Chiefs, at Arrowhead, if the two meet in January.

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10 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

........something else that should be of concern......MOST, but not all QBs, you can look at their stats for the first16 STARTS of their career, and you can get a real good idea of who they are going to be.  Most improve their YPG by 30-40 yards over their careers, and comp % goes up an average of about 3% higher for their career over what they produce in their first 16 starts.  INT % tends to stay about the same.  It's not certain, but it is probable, the Josh Allen we are seeing now, is the Josh Allen we'll be seeing for as long as he plays, with just minor improvement over time from this point on.

 

Let's see your data to back this up.  I call complete and absolute BS and I refuse to do your homework for you.

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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Worth discussing. My take on that is simply to look at why he ends up getting those goal line touches.

 

Examples like the repeated stuffing of RBs against NE, Washington, and Cleveland in goal line scenarios are a big part of it. The ease with which Allen tends to walk in against even tough defenses is another.

exactly. he's the best short yardage runner we have... if anything it should go in the "plus" column for Allen.

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11 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

....some unpleasant things to consider....

 

The Bills have played one of the easier NFL schedules this year.  The Bills are 1-5 against teams whose QB has a higher QB rating for the season than Josh Allen.  Your lone win against a higher rated QB was in Dallas VS Prescott.

 

The list of QB's that the Bills have defeated this year is a really really bad list.  It's not the Bills fault they got to play the QB's and schedule they played, but when they've had a good QB/team on the schedule, they haven't won.

 

The Bears played one of the easier schedules in 2018 and went 12-4 with their 2nd year QB and a dominant D.  The D had some really great, unsustainable metrics in 2018 that not surprisingly, they haven't been able to replicate in 2019, and Trubisky, hasn't been able to overcome that and carry the team.  I don't really think he's that different than he was last year, just different circumstances.

 

It's not unusual, for a young, ascending team with a young QB, to have a disappointing season, following a season where they jump up and have a good record for the first time in a while.

 

.......something else that should be of concern......MOST, but not all QBs, you can look at their stats for the first16 STARTS of their career, and you can get a real good idea of who they are going to be.  Most improve their YPG by 30-40 yards over their careers, and comp % goes up an average of about 3% higher for their career over what they produce in their first 16 starts.  INT % tends to stay about the same.  It's not certain, but it is probable, the Josh Allen we are seeing now, is the Josh Allen we'll be seeing for as long as he plays, with just minor improvement over time from this point on.

 

Given this, .....(prepares to duck as the stones come hurling toward me) ...The Bills will probably lose their playoff game, and probably will regress a bit in 2020.

 

I do think Allen is a superior QB to Trubisky and his ceiling is higher.  He's already defied what I thought he'd be capable of....so take my prognositcation here knowing I've already been wrong about Allen.

Translation.... I was really wrong about the bills(and a ton of other stuff). so now i'm gonna try and maneuver away from being dead wrong by moving the goal posts and explain it all away.

 

and the bills defensive metrics have been sustained now for 2 seasons. there's nothing flukey about it. the only difference is the offense isn't top 5 in giveaways this year and so our defensive points allowed isn't completely skewed(like last year) by dealing 30+ turnovers. 

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11 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

....some unpleasant things to consider....

 

The Bills have played one of the easier NFL schedules this year.  The Bills are 1-5 against teams whose QB has a higher QB rating for the season than Josh Allen.  Your lone win against a higher rated QB was in Dallas VS Prescott.

 

The list of QB's that the Bills have defeated this year is a really really bad list.  It's not the Bills fault they got to play the QB's and schedule they played, but when they've had a good QB/team on the schedule, they haven't won.

 

The Bears played one of the easier schedules in 2018 and went 12-4 with their 2nd year QB and a dominant D.  The D had some really great, unsustainable metrics in 2018 that not surprisingly, they haven't been able to replicate in 2019, and Trubisky, hasn't been able to overcome that and carry the team.  I don't really think he's that different than he was last year, just different circumstances.

 

It's not unusual, for a young, ascending team with a young QB, to have a disappointing season, following a season where they jump up and have a good record for the first time in a while.

 

.......something else that should be of concern......MOST, but not all QBs, you can look at their stats for the first16 STARTS of their career, and you can get a real good idea of who they are going to be.  Most improve their YPG by 30-40 yards over their careers, and comp % goes up an average of about 3% higher for their career over what they produce in their first 16 starts.  INT % tends to stay about the same.  It's not certain, but it is probable, the Josh Allen we are seeing now, is the Josh Allen we'll be seeing for as long as he plays, with just minor improvement over time from this point on.

 

Given this, .....(prepares to duck as the stones come hurling toward me) ...The Bills will probably lose their playoff game, and probably will regress a bit in 2020.

 

I do think Allen is a superior QB to Trubisky and his ceiling is higher.  He's already defied what I thought he'd be capable of....so take my prognositcation here knowing I've already been wrong about Allen.


You really are a piece of work. 

You pretty much ONLY ever show up to talk about Josh Allen, and it is ALWAYS a negative slant. To wit: Your post begins with the words "some unpleasant things to consider"...

You then attempt to make your point about Allen by discussing opposing QUARTERBACKS the Bills have faced, as if that has ANYTHING to do with Josh Allen. Wouldn't it be 1000% more meaningful and logical to discuss the DEFENSES Josh Allen has faced? To point out that he has faced six top 12 defenses this season? To discuss the progress he's made, like, oh I dunno....improvements in: 

 

Comp%

Passer rtg
Pass yards p/g
Pass TDs p/g
Total yards p/g
Total TDs p/g
Yards p/att
On target%
Throwaway%
Adj comp%
xComp%
DYAR
DVOA

Or how about his having 6 TDs and  6 INTs / 2 fum in his first four games, and then scoring 23 TDs and having just 3 INTs / 2 fum lost in his next ELEVEN games?!

 

But nahhhh, you'd rather talk about the opposing QUARTERBACKS he's faced?  Garbage. Useless nonsense.

To top it all off, you end with "the Bills are likely to lose a playoff game and regress next year". REALLY, bro?

As always, you present yourself as a friendly, harmless guy who "just wants to talk ball". As always, you only show up when the discussion turns to Josh Allen, and you only offer negativity. You offer no compelling discussion or analysis, just new ways to trot out the same doubt and pessimism when it comes to the Bills' QB. Your obsession with tracking his career and making sure he's no good just so that you can continue to puff your chest over the fact that the Bills traded the Mahomes pick to the Chiefs is borderline bizarre. We get it: the Bills could've had Mahomes, but your Chiefs got him instead. Get over it, move on, live your life. Enjoy your OWN team's success instead of constantly coming to a Bills forum to find new and subtle ways to point to the fact that your Chiefs are brilliant and the Bills are fools.

Seriously, though: You're the worst.

By the way, how'd that 16-0 prediction turn out, bud?

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9 minutes ago, Logic said:


You really are a piece of work. 

You pretty much ONLY ever show up to talk about Josh Allen, and it is ALWAYS a negative slant. To wit: Your post begins with the words "some unpleasant things to consider"...

You then attempt to make your point about Allen by discussing opposing QUARTERBACKS the Bills have faced, as if that has ANYTHING to do with Josh Allen. Wouldn't it be 1000% more meaningful and logical to discuss the DEFENSES Josh Allen has faced? To point out that he has faced six top 12 defenses this season? To discuss the progress he's made, like, oh I dunno....improvements in: 

 

Comp%

Passer rtg
Pass yards p/g
Pass TDs p/g
Total yards p/g
Total TDs p/g
Yards p/att
On target%
Throwaway%
Adj comp%
xComp%
DYAR
DVOA

Or how about his having 6 TDs and  6 INTs / 2 fum in his first four games, and then scoring 23 TDs and having just 3 INTs / 2 fum lost in his next ELEVEN games?!

 

But nahhhh, you'd rather talk about the opposing QUARTERBACKS he's faced?  Garbage. Useless nonsense.

To top it all off, you end with "the Bills are likely to lose a playoff game and regress next year". REALLY, bro?

As always, you present yourself as a friendly, harmless guy who "just wants to talk ball". As always, you only show up when the discussion turns to Josh Allen, and you only offer negativity. You offer no compelling discussion or analysis, just new ways to trot out the same doubt and pessimism when it comes to the Bills' QB. Your obsession with tracking his career and making sure he's no good just so that you can continue to puff your chest over the fact that the Bills traded the Mahomes pick to the Chiefs is borderline bizarre. We get it: the Bills could've had Mahomes, but your Chiefs got him instead. Get over it, move on, live your life. Enjoy your OWN team's success instead of constantly coming to a Bills forum to find new and subtle ways to point to the fact that your Chiefs are brilliant and the Bills are fools.

Seriously, though: You're the worst.

By the way, how'd that 16-0 prediction turn out, bud?

Insecure Chefs fans. It’s a real thing. Word is they were more interested in lighting up the Bears over of the Trubisky/Mahomes thing than anything else. 

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5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Insecure Chefs fans. It’s a real thing. Word is they were more interested in lighting up the Bears over of the Trubisky/Mahomes thing than anything else. 

Mahomes is the real deal.  But it doesn't matter, because Andy Reid will figure out yet another way to mess his team up so they don't win in the playoffs.

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10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Insecure Chefs fans. It’s a real thing. Word is they were more interested in lighting up the Bears over of the Trubisky/Mahomes thing than anything else. 



You don't say? Zero should probably just change the below picture to his avatar for this message board, since it's his only reason for coming here.


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2 hours ago, Logic said:



You don't say? Zero should probably just change the below picture to his avatar for this message board, since it's his only reason for coming here.


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This pic is as much a slap in the face to Bills fans as it is Bears fans imo...

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