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Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

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1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

And the wheels on the bus go round and round round and round 

 

or

 

this is the song that never ends 

 

 

just a thought 💭 

 

who was the guy who said threads over 50 pages were too long to read?

 

 

You are always welcome to ignore threads or choose to not post in them. 

 

just a thought  :thumbsup:

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25 minutes ago, VW82 said:

This article is somewhat concerning to say the least. Lots of criticism of Josh's footwork and poor anticipation with accompanying video evidence but here are some of the other money quotes for those too lazy to click the link.

 

Wow.  Just.....Wow.  Listen to you: "money quotes for those too lazy to click the link"

Money quotes.

Not for those who aren't interested in the guys take, or aren't motivated to read "yet another analytics dude thinks Allen sucks 'cuz Numbers"

"For those two lazy to click the link"

 

I don't say this often, and I don't say this lightly, but please: Get Over Yourself.

 

25 minutes ago, VW82 said:

(.....)

There's much more in the link. The article reads like it was from someone responding to all the pro Allen comments on TBD. It's a bit of a one-sided hit job but the writer makes a lot of good points (unfortunately for us). 

 

It may have good points, it may not have good points.  A bunch of its points seem strange to me - why are we concerned about fumbles in the last 10 weeks?  Why not 8 weeks?  Or 6 weeks? 

 

But fundamentally, I'm at "Behold the field Wherein I Grow my ***** and Lo, how it is Barren" where the analytics crowd is concerned and have no interest in pursuing their takes at this point.

 

Josh Allen has always been a test case for the efficacy of eyeball, boots-on-the-ground scouting vs analytics.  That hasn't changed. 

 

I don't think anybody, including Josh Allen or Brian Daboll or Sean McDermott, think that he has arrived at an acceptable level of professional NFL QBing.

I think that the people who work with him, day in and day out, see marked improvement. 

 

Until we see if he takes a step (and it won't be until next season at this point, if we see it), everything else is just wasting electrons.

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2 hours ago, VW82 said:

 

This article is somewhat concerning to say the least. Lots of criticism of Josh's footwork and poor anticipation with accompanying video evidence but here are some of the other money quotes for those too lazy to click the link.

 

There's much more in the link. The article reads like it was from someone responding to all the pro Allen comments on TBD. It's a bit of a one-sided hit job but the writer makes a lot of good points (unfortunately for us). 

 

This article is full of cherry picked stats and superficial analyses.

 

Let's just take the accuracy issue. He states completion % isn’t the best measure for accuracy; however, it was the very first thing he used anyway (and continued to use). He then goes on to say Allen also ranks poorly in the accuracy metrics that measure accuracy and only lists one: On target %, which he simply states, "Allen ranks poorly." Allen ranks 22nd (19th for QBs with at least 200 attempts for the season) in on target %.

 

Clearly there are throws that Allen has missed. But, here are some stats he failed to mention that also might affect Allen' accuracy:

 

#1 in percentage of plays in which the ball is thrown away, spiked, dropped by a receiver, or tipped/ batted at 15.7%

#5 in distance of throw per attempt

#1 in percentage of passes dropped at 7.2%

#2 in being blitzed (43% of pass plays)

#1 (tied) for the smallest amount of time, when blitzed, between snap and the throw/when the pocket collapses at 2.3 seconds

 

There are more; but, I think the point is made. 

 

Allen certainly has a lot of room to grow; however, this article felt like someone who made up his mind about Allen and went looking for evidence to support it.

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The #1 in being blitz means that the league does not believe Allen makes decisions quickly enough and would support the negative tone of the original article.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:

The #1 in being blitz means that the league does not believe Allen makes decisions quickly enough and would support the negative tone of the original article.

 

 

 

Actually I was wrong. Allen is #2 in being blitzed. I corrected my post. Russell Wilson is #1 in being blitzed, so, I guess the league doesn't believe he can make decisions quickly enough either....:rolleyes:

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I do find the league blitzing Russell Wilson surprising but there is no doubt that you blitz qbs that you don`t think can beat the blitz.  That`s why the standard thing one does against rookies is to blitz them and I am pretty sure that's why they blitz Allen.

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1 hour ago, Billy Claude said:

I do find the league blitzing Russell Wilson surprising but there is no doubt that you blitz qbs that you don`t think can beat the blitz.  That`s why the standard thing one does against rookies is to blitz them and I am pretty sure that's why they blitz Allen.

 

You also blitz teams when you don't believe that their WRs can gain separation within 2-3 seconds.

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6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's where I'm at. I feel like @Zerovoltz has jumped the shark. If you're gonna make these proclamations on the message board of a team in which you have no rooting interest, at least own your words and state what you believe. 

 

I used to have a certain level of respect for the information and analysis provided, but it's become grating and has the appearance of an agenda.

 

And on a personal level; as much as I question Allen, there's something unsettling about an outsider using every post to deride the Bills QB. "Only family can make fun of family" type deal.

 

....If you only read Josh Allen posts, you might think that's all I do here...and somehow, when I have postive things to say about Allen...no one remembers because those get lost among all the many other similar posts.....I've posted in several other topics here about football in general, or about stadiums, draft stuff...ETC. 

 

Someone mentioned in a post that i didn't need to have gone to the trouble of posting all that crap I posted, and just say what I really think of Allen.  I've said it before....here it is again.

 

1.  I thought Allen wouldn't work out in the NFL based on his college career and numbers. 

2.  I noted at the time, as many others have, that Allen would be the ultimate test case of analytics VS. old school scouting.

3.  I stated more than once here, that I wanted Allen to prove the analytics people wrong because that pendulum has swung too far toward the data, and forgets we are dealing with humans, and you can't put a metric on certain human qualities.

4. Even as I have thought he wouldn't succeed...I have rooted for him.  I like him.  He is fun to watch play.  I like the Bills.  I spent time with Poncho Villa at the 2018 draft, posted pictures of that, bought my kid a Bills jersey.  

5.  While still enjoying Allen play, and marvelling at his athleticism, charisma and arm....I still remain concerned and skeptical of the passing overall.  

6.  I completely agree 100% Allen is your franchise QB.  He's well established and entrenched as the man, as he should be.  The debate now isn't if Allen is going to be a successful NFL starter.  He is that right now today.  The debate is will he continue to improve and become that guy that carries a team to a championship...

 

I remain skeptical that unless he becomes a more efficient passer (note, I didn't use Comp%) then I am not sure that Allen, can carry a team to a championship.  I don't think my skepticism is unfounded...many others here are as well....I do think it's highly unappreciated because I am an "outsider".  I do understand that it's like when someone beats up your brother, you want to go kick their ass.  But....you can beat up on your brother because he's family.  .......noted......   

 

Fortunatly for everyone...we get to watch and see what happens.   

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17 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

....If you only read Josh Allen posts, you might think that's all I do here...and somehow, when I have postive things to say about Allen...no one remembers because those get lost among all the many other similar posts.....I've posted in several other topics here about football in general, or about stadiums, draft stuff...ETC. 

 

Someone mentioned in a post that i didn't need to have gone to the trouble of posting all that crap I posted, and just say what I really think of Allen.  I've said it before....here it is again.

 

1.  I thought Allen wouldn't work out in the NFL based on his college career and numbers. 

2.  I noted at the time, as many others have, that Allen would be the ultimate test case of analytics VS. old school scouting.

3.  I stated more than once here, that I wanted Allen to prove the analytics people wrong because that pendulum has swung too far toward the data, and forgets we are dealing with humans, and you can't put a metric on certain human qualities.

4. Even as I have thought he wouldn't succeed...I have rooted for him.  I like him.  He is fun to watch play.  I like the Bills.  I spent time with Poncho Villa at the 2018 draft, posted pictures of that, bought my kid a Bills jersey.  

5.  While still enjoying Allen play, and marvelling at his athleticism, charisma and arm....I still remain concerned and skeptical of the passing overall.  

6.  I completely agree 100% Allen is your franchise QB.  He's well established and entrenched as the man, as he should be.  The debate now isn't if Allen is going to be a successful NFL starter.  He is that right now today.  The debate is will he continue to improve and become that guy that carries a team to a championship...

 

I remain skeptical that unless he becomes a more efficient passer (note, I didn't use Comp%) then I am not sure that Allen, can carry a team to a championship.  I don't think my skepticism is unfounded...many others here are as well....I do think it's highly unappreciated because I am an "outsider".  I do understand that it's like when someone beats up your brother, you want to go kick their ass.  But....you can beat up on your brother because he's family.  .......noted......   

 

Fortunatly for everyone...we get to watch and see what happens.   

 

You should just consider stopping.  Seriously.

 

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6 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

You should just consider stopping.  Seriously.

 

 

Good advice....I'm going to take a seat on the bench on this one.  out.

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1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

....If you only read Josh Allen posts, you might think that's all I do here...and somehow, when I have postive things to say about Allen...no one remembers because those get lost among all the many other similar posts.....I've posted in several other topics here about football in general, or about stadiums, draft stuff...ETC. 

 

Someone mentioned in a post that i didn't need to have gone to the trouble of posting all that crap I posted, and just say what I really think of Allen.  I've said it before....here it is again.

 

1.  I thought Allen wouldn't work out in the NFL based on his college career and numbers. 

2.  I noted at the time, as many others have, that Allen would be the ultimate test case of analytics VS. old school scouting.

3.  I stated more than once here, that I wanted Allen to prove the analytics people wrong because that pendulum has swung too far toward the data, and forgets we are dealing with humans, and you can't put a metric on certain human qualities.

4. Even as I have thought he wouldn't succeed...I have rooted for him.  I like him.  He is fun to watch play.  I like the Bills.  I spent time with Poncho Villa at the 2018 draft, posted pictures of that, bought my kid a Bills jersey.  

5.  While still enjoying Allen play, and marvelling at his athleticism, charisma and arm....I still remain concerned and skeptical of the passing overall.  

6.  I completely agree 100% Allen is your franchise QB.  He's well established and entrenched as the man, as he should be.  The debate now isn't if Allen is going to be a successful NFL starter.  He is that right now today.  The debate is will he continue to improve and become that guy that carries a team to a championship...

 

I remain skeptical that unless he becomes a more efficient passer (note, I didn't use Comp%) then I am not sure that Allen, can carry a team to a championship.  I don't think my skepticism is unfounded...many others here are as well....I do think it's highly unappreciated because I am an "outsider".  I do understand that it's like when someone beats up your brother, you want to go kick their ass.  But....you can beat up on your brother because he's family.  .......noted......   

 

Fortunatly for everyone...we get to watch and see what happens.   

 

So now Allen is a successful NFL starter??? :blink:

 

Bruh... talk about backtracking :doh:

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4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

So now Allen is a successful NFL starter??? :blink:

 

Bruh... talk about backtracking :doh:

 

He has played well enough to be the starting QB for the Buffalo Bills next year. But...

 

I'd be hard pressed to call him a "successful" NFL starter. Why? Because he is on a team with a dominate defense and is just barely doing enough to get into the playoffs with a pretty favorable schedule. Tyrod or Fitz could've easily led this team to the playoffs this year and they're only considered "successful" backups.

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5 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

 

He has played well enough to be the starting QB for the Buffalo Bills next year. But...

 

I'd be hard pressed to call him a "successful" NFL starter. Why? Because he is on a team with a dominate defense and is just barely doing enough to get into the playoffs with a pretty favorable schedule. Tyrod or Fitz could've easily led this team to the playoffs this year and they're only considered "successful" backups.

 

Your name says it all. :doh:

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9 hours ago, TuelTime said:

. Tyrod or Fitz could've easily led this team to the playoffs this year and they're only considered "successful" backups.

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

I would LOVE to hear the justification for the idea that Tyrod or Fitz could easily have taken this team, with this OC and personnel, to the playoffs.

 

Honestly I can't wait to read that.

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12 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

Maybe but I thought that was what Beasley I'd good at.

 

Beasley is good at creating separation resulting from start-stop/COD once he's set up his route. It takes him a relative while with regard to play timing. He's not generally open in the first 3 steps of a route.

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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Beasley is good at creating separation resulting from start-stop/COD once he's set up his route. It takes him a relative while with regard to play timing. He's not generally open in the first 3 steps of a route.

 

Right, and, as a team, Allen's top receivers are 22nd in the NFL in distance of separation at the time of the catch.

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87 pages holy you know what.   not sure if it's been brought up here but look at cam's comp percentage last season when they started running the offense through mcaff.  from 59 percent to 67 percent cause they ran 10 screens a game to mcaff who catches like 90 percent of them.  we need to to get a rb with that ability and scheme more of those and you'll see allen's numbers look better.  rb is right up there with wr as far as need in the draft or free agency for me.

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2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

I would LOVE to hear the justification for the idea that Tyrod or Fitz could easily have taken this team, with this OC and personnel, to the playoffs.

 

Honestly I can't wait to read that.

 

Well, Tyrod did take us to the playoffs in a WCO that didn't really suit him 2 years ago.....I suppose the thinking is he contributes about as much with his legs as Allen did, and that for the intermediate, anticipation, into coverage throws he would not make, he would hit some deep shots accurately to compensate?  I don't think our run game is as good now as it was then.  I think it unlikely - Tyrod would have had a hella steep learning curve with the EP offense, defenses would play him like the anti-Allen - play to take away the deep ball and dare him to make the reads, decipher the coverage, and pull the trigger.  And I don't think Daboll would be any more willing to tailor the offense to Taylor than to Allen.

 

Fitz, of course, is a master at the EP offense, but I think his brain would write too many checks that his body can't cash resulting in Picksomatic Playtastrophe.  Which I do hope we do NOT see in Foxboro today (correction: unless it's from a Patriots QB, in which case, pray continue....)

 

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Tyrod have THE best 4th qtr comp EVER!!!


 

 

 

 

(with a lead)

 

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Well, Tyrod did take us to the playoffs in a WCO that didn't really suit him 2 years ago..


eh hem. That was Andy Dalton ;) 

 

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