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Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, Tyrod did take us to the playoffs in a WCO that didn't really suit him 2 years ago.....I suppose the thinking is he contributes about as much with his legs as Allen did, and that for the intermediate, anticipation, into coverage throws he would not make, he would hit some deep shots accurately to compensate?  I don't think our run game is as good now as it was then.  I think it unlikely - Tyrod would have had a hella steep learning curve with the EP offense, defenses would play him like the anti-Allen - play to take away the deep ball and dare him to make the reads, decipher the coverage, and pull the trigger.  And I don't think Daboll would be any more willing to tailor the offense to Taylor than to Allen.

 

Fitz, of course, is a master at the EP offense, but I think his brain would write too many checks that his body can't cash resulting in Picksomatic Playtastrophe.  Which I do hope we do NOT see in Foxboro today.

 

 

Not to mention that Tyrod wasn't anywhere near the red zone QB that Allen is, and that Fitz has absolutely zero interest or ability to protect the football.

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6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, Tyrod did take us to the playoffs in a WCO that didn't really suit him 2 years ago.....I suppose the thinking is he contributes about as much with his legs as Allen did, and that for the intermediate, anticipation, into coverage throws he would not make, he would hit some deep shots accurately to compensate?  I don't think our run game is as good now as it was then.  I think it unlikely - Tyrod would have had a hella steep learning curve with the EP offense, defenses would play him like the anti-Allen - play to take away the deep ball and dare him to make the reads, decipher the coverage, and pull the trigger.  And I don't think Daboll would be any more willing to tailor the offense to Taylor than to Allen.

 

Fitz, of course, is a master at the EP offense, but I think his brain would write too many checks that his body can't cash resulting in Picksomatic Playtastrophe.  Which I do hope we do NOT see in Foxboro today.

 

i remember that at the time, it was stated that we were going to run the WCO. i also remember back then stating that there was no way in hell Tyrod could run the WCO. it turned out he couldn't and we didn't. i'm not sure exactly what we ran but it sure wasn't a WCO. 

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5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Tyrod have THE best 4th qtr comp EVER!!!

(with a lead)

eh hem. That was Andy Dalton ;)

 

We don't win 9 games, we don't get in. 

Why is it so hard for peoples to give TT his propers?  I love me some Josh and 100% "in" that we moved on, but Taylor played a significant role in those wins.

 

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

i remember that at the time, it was stated that we were going to run the WCO. i also remember back then stating that there was no way in hell Tyrod could run the WCO. it turned out he couldn't and we didn't. i'm not sure what exactly we ran but it sure wasn't a WCO. 

 

I think what we ran was what a WCO looks like when you don't have the QB or the precise route-running to run it

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

... I think what we ran was what a WCO looks like when you don't have the QB or the precise route-running to run it

or the ability to release the damn ball at the top of your drop. 

 

those people in the stands are very grateful they no longer have to hear me yell, " throw the ***** ball!!!!!".

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3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

87 pages holy you know what.   not sure if it's been brought up here but look at cam's comp percentage last season when they started running the offense through mcaff.  from 59 percent to 67 percent cause they ran 10 screens a game to mcaff who catches like 90 percent of them.  we need to to get a rb with that ability and scheme more of those and you'll see allen's numbers look better.  rb is right up there with wr as far as need in the draft or free agency for me.

 

There are a lot of factors that go into completion % and shorter throws (screens, dump offs, etc.) is certainly one. Allen is currently 5th in intended air yards per attempt (AY/A), whereas Newton was 28th in AY/A last season.

 

Allen has certainly been inaccurate at times, missing on what should have been an easy completions. However, some other factors contributing to his inaccuracy include (but not all inclusive):

 

Percentage of plays in which the ball is thrown away (Allen is 3rd)
Percentage of plays in which the ball is spiked (Allen is 6th)
Percentage of plays in which the pass is dropped by a receiver (Allen is 1st)
Percentage of plays in which the ball is tipped/ batted (Allen is 15th)
Distance of throw per attempt (Allen is 5th)
Percentage of passing plays blitzed/pressured (Allen is 2nd)

Amount of time between snap and pressure on passing downs (Allen is tied for 1st)
Small amount of separation by receivers at catch (Allen is 10th in least amount of sep by rec at catch)

 

Allen's average ranking in just those 8 areas is 5.88

 

Just as a reference, here are the other QB average rankings across those 8 areas:

 

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Allen certainly has a lot of room for improvement; however, there are other areas of the team's play where improvement would help him as well.

 

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44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

We don't win 9 games, we don't get in. 

Why is it so hard for peoples to give TT his propers?  I love me some Josh and 100% "in" that we moved on, but Taylor played a significant role in those wins.


Tyrod has his moments 

 

the playoff fiasco proved that he didn’t earn much.
 JMO

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7 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

I would LOVE to hear the justification for the idea that Tyrod or Fitz could easily have taken this team, with this OC and personnel, to the playoffs.

 

Honestly I can't wait to read that.

 

Tyrod took a worse team to the playoffs. In pretty much the same manner. Stout defense, strong run game, and conservative offensive play calling (less than 25 passes a game) with a QB who can pick up first downs with his legs. Don't get me wrong, I like Josh Allen, but so far I see an average QB. An average QB with potential, but I thought (and I wasn't alone) that Tyrod had potential as well.

 

My concern with Allen is that he is going to do just enough for the front office to keep him around like Tyrod and Fitz, while never taking the next step and becoming a true franchise QB. This team has the wins, but if we're being honest they are not because Allen has played "great". I want Allen to succeed, but I haven't seen anything that would stop me from drafting a mid-round QB this year.

 

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9 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

I would LOVE to hear the justification for the idea that Tyrod or Fitz could easily have taken this team, with this OC and personnel, to the playoffs.

 

Honestly I can't wait to read that.

Fitz just beat the Pats with objectively worse personnel. He also went 5-8 with the worst defense in the NFL. He also has one of the worst rushing offenses in the NFL.

 

Fitz is having a good year.

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2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Fitz just beat the Pats with objectively worse personnel. He also went 5-8 with the worst defense in the NFL. He also has one of the worst rushing offenses in the NFL.

 

Fitz is having a good year.

 

That's why he's been on half the teams in the NFL. He's a journeyman backup that'll give you 2-3 great games each year. 

 

Not sure why anyone would say he's anything else 

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2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's why he's been on half the teams in the NFL. He's a journeyman backup that'll give you 2-3 great games each year. 

 

Not sure why anyone would say he's anything else 

Fitz winning 5 games with that personnel is great.

 

How many “great” games did Allen have this year?

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Just now, BringBackOrton said:

Fitz winning 5 games with that personnel is great.

 

How many “great” games did Allen have this year?

 

Ok, so you'd rather have Fitz than Allen?

 

Well, I'm not going to call you an idiot, but I will definitely say that 32/32 NFL GMs would probably call that opinion idiotic.

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18 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Fitz winning 5 games with that personnel is great.

 

How many “great” games did Allen have this year?

 

How many years in his career is Fitz?

How many years in his career is Allen?

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3 hours ago, TuelTime said:

 

Tyrod took a worse team to the playoffs. In pretty much the same manner. Stout defense, strong run game, and conservative offensive play calling (less than 25 passes a game) with a QB who can pick up first downs with his legs. Don't get me wrong, I like Josh Allen, but so far I see an average QB. An average QB with potential, but I thought (and I wasn't alone) that Tyrod had potential as well.

 

My concern with Allen is that he is going to do just enough for the front office to keep him around like Tyrod and Fitz, while never taking the next step and becoming a true franchise QB. This team has the wins, but if we're being honest they are not because Allen has played "great". I want Allen to succeed, but I haven't seen anything that would stop me from drafting a mid-round QB this year.

 

This 100%...i always felt drafting a mid round QB was inevitable- but not because of Allen, but rather to groom as an eventual replacement for Barkley...

 

We all hope Josh can realize his full potential...next season (year 3) will be telling...he has to give everyone confidence he can finally carry the team imo...

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4 hours ago, TuelTime said:

 

Tyrod took a worse team to the playoffs. In pretty much the same manner. Stout defense, strong run game, and conservative offensive play calling (less than 25 passes a game) with a QB who can pick up first downs with his legs. Don't get me wrong, I like Josh Allen, but so far I see an average QB. An average QB with potential, but I thought (and I wasn't alone) that Tyrod had potential as well.

 

My concern with Allen is that he is going to do just enough for the front office to keep him around like Tyrod and Fitz, while never taking the next step and becoming a true franchise QB. This team has the wins, but if we're being honest they are not because Allen has played "great". I want Allen to succeed, but I haven't seen anything that would stop me from drafting a mid-round QB this year.

 

A mid-round quarterback?  Dude, don't hedge.  Pound the table for a top QB pick.  If you believe it just say it.  

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4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Ok, so you'd rather have Fitz than Allen?

 

Well, I'm not going to call you an idiot, but I will definitely say that 32/32 NFL GMs would probably call that opinion idiotic.

I definitely remember saying I’d rather have Fitz than Allen.

 

You've gotten very strawmanny in your old age bandito.

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1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

I definitely remember saying I’d rather have Fitz than Allen.

 

You've gotten very strawmanny in your old age bandito.

 

Then what was the point?

 

That Fitz won against NE and therefore is superior to Allen?

 

If not, what was it?

 

Miami won because they got a timely defensive TD and NE's defense fell apart down the stretch. Good. And good for Fitz.

 

But if anyone thinks that either he or Tyrod are getting similar results to Allen with this scheme and this personnel group, well, I vehemently disagree.

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Allens completion % is a direct result of our offense

 

he hardly gets easy passes to pad his stats. no screens, quick slants, RB dumpoffs that Brady thrives with. 

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3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Then what was the point?

 

That Fitz won against NE and therefore is superior to Allen?

 

If not, what was it?

 

Miami won because they got a timely defensive TD and NE's defense fell apart down the stretch. Good. And good for Fitz.

 

But if anyone thinks that either he or Tyrod are getting similar results to Allen with this scheme and this personnel group, well, I vehemently disagree.

Here you go my friend.

 

I think that Fitz COULD have taken this team to the postseason. I think Allen is a better offensive weapon in totality, he’s better at some things than Fitz as a passer and worse than Fitz at others IMO,  and I’d much rather have Allen going forward because these are all obvious things.

 

Imagine that. Two separate thoughts in a brain. And it doesn’t mean “hurr durr you’d trade Allen for Fitz?”

 

I will continue to claim that there’s a Josh Allen gas leak because it’s obvious to me. The people who cry about how Josh sucks every week are deranged, but that doesn’t mean you have to join them in the intellectual dumpster.

3 hours ago, Tesla03 said:

Allens completion % is a direct result of our offense

 

he hardly gets easy passes to pad his stats. no screens, quick slants, RB dumpoffs that Brady thrives with. 

Josh has been pretty hit or miss with the swing pass going back to last year. I’m not sure if the reason they don’t call it often because it doesn’t work that often. Similar to screens. 

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

How many years in his career is Fitz?

How many years in his career is Allen?

I won’t join you on this strawman branch. You can read the above.

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10 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Josh has been pretty hit or miss with the swing pass going back to last year. I’m not sure if the reason they don’t call it often because it doesn’t work that often. Similar to screens. 

 

Josh has improved his ability to hit the swing pass and the short/intermediate passes tremendously from last season.  They don't put up the numerical charts from Nextgenstats until the end of the season, maybe someone knows another source, but it should show marked improvement.

 

I do feel he is falling off on passes he was making more reliably earlier in the season though.   Maybe he got into some sloppy footwork habits after he injured his ankle against the Ravens.

 

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I won’t join you on this strawman branch. You can read the above.

 

Snide.  You said "Fitz winning 5 games with that personnel is great.  How many “great” games did Allen have this year?"

I think the implication is clear.  Not much straw in asking you to pause your admiration and reflect how many seasons each of them have.

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