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Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

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2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Close. IMO franchise QBs are the top 5 QBs in the league. I don't consider a QB that starts multiple seasons a franchise QB. Tannehill has been been a starter for multiple seasons and no one considers him a franchise QB. 

 

 

 

What about Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers and Derek Carr?

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3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

What about Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers and Derek Carr?

I consider them a tier below the top QBs. That's where I think Allen will most likely end up.  They are good but most likely not going to carry their offense like Brees, Rogers and Mahomes do. 

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8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

From your mouth to Beane's ears, @transplantbillsfan.

 

I'm unpersuaded that Duke is "that guy" as of yet.  If he works hard on his route running and his release, sets the Juggs on high in the offseason and conditions for speed and cutting ability, it's possible.

 

I've argued for Duke all season.  It's not that I necessarily think he is that guy... its more so I think he is that guy this year.  The closest thing we have to it.  I go back to what if it was him going for that ball to Beasley end of Pats game.  What if it were Duke going for that ball end of Ravens game.  Do things work out different?  I'm not sure but I think Duke would have a better chance.  He is good in his hands.  He is good and making contested catches.  He is a bigger target.  He is better and boxing out the defender.  That's the guy this offense needed all season.

8 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

That’s odd. Are you implying that Taylor passed as much as Josh because the 2017 Bills trailed in more games? Let’s go through that math together.

 

Jets, Bengals, Pats, Dolphins, Eagles, Browns,  Cowboys, Ravens, Steelers, Pats were all games we trailed at some point this year. If we count games where the score was tied, that list grows even larger. Is 10 games where we trailed at some point really “rarely” trailing? It looks like an appreciable amount of games to me. 

 

Maybe you didnt watch those games though.

 

I'll throw one in the ringer.  Josh is way better at picking up third and longs.  One of the best in the league in fact.  Taylor was check down king on third and long.  I'm a guy that loved Taylor his first couple years.  I seen a mile away he wasn't fit for Dennison offense.  I also felt it was finally time to move on.  I don't think Taylor has us where we are right now. 

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2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

I consider them a tier below the top QBs. That's where I think Allen will most likely end up.  They are good but most likely not going to carry their offense like Brees, Rogers and Mahomes do. 

 

Okay then. So your standard for Franchise QB truly is HOF QB.

 

What about Eli? You can't possibly think he was a Franchise QB and not think Ryan is.

 

Flacco?

 

Cam?

 

None of those 3, I suspect, you would qualify as Franchise QBs by your definition, but they have 4 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Lombardis, and one NFL MVP between them.

 

Ryan was also an NFL MVP and had a Super Bowl appearance.

 

Matthew Stafford has played for a pretty dysfunctional organization his entire career, yet he has as many 4th Quarter comebacks in his 10 seasons in the NFL as Favre did in his entire career.

 

I think your standard for Franchise QB is silly.

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2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I've argued for Duke all season.  It's not that I necessarily think he is that guy... its more so I think he is that guy this year.  The closest thing we have to it.  I go back to what if it was him going for that ball to Beasley end of Pats game.  What if it were Duke going for that ball end of Ravens game.  Do things work out different?  I'm not sure but I think Duke would have a better chance.  He is good in his hands.  He is good and making contested catches.  He is a bigger target.  He is better and boxing out the defender.  That's the guy this offense needed all season.

 

I'll throw one in the ringer.  Josh is way better at picking up third and longs.  One of the best in the league in fact.  Taylor was check down king on third and long.  I'm a guy that loved Taylor his first couple years.  I seen a mile away he wasn't fit for Dennison offense.  I also felt it was finally time to move on.  I don't think Taylor has us where we are right now. 

3rd and long was a automatic punt with Tyrod

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8 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:

3rd and long was a automatic punt with Tyrod


 

And in 4th quarter, down by a score it was a guaranteed loss. 
 

That’s why I’m happy with what Josh is doing. He’s played his best ball in the 4th and that’s where games are decided. 

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14 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Okay then. So your standard for Franchise QB truly is HOF QB.

 

What about Eli? You can't possibly think he was a Franchise QB and not think Ryan is.

 

Flacco?

 

Cam?

 

None of those 3, I suspect, you would qualify as Franchise QBs by your definition, but they have 4 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Lombardis, and one NFL MVP between them.

 

Ryan was also an NFL MVP and had a Super Bowl appearance.

 

Matthew Stafford has played for a pretty dysfunctional organization his entire career, yet he has as many 4th Quarter comebacks in his 10 seasons in the NFL as Favre did in his entire career.

 

I think your standard for Franchise QB is silly.

If you read what thebandit27 posted a few posts above yours that is what a franchise QB is. They are the guys that don't always need everything to go right for them to win. All those QBs you mentioned had everything go right for them to win. Yes they are elite QBs but not franchise ones. 

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18 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I've always interpreted the term "franchise QB" to mean "a guy you can win a Super Bowl with even if everything else isn't excellent around him". The top group are what I term "elite". Right now, for me, that's a very small group that consists of Mahomes, Wilson, Lamar, Brees, and probably Rodgers (though he's in decline).

 

Then there's the rest of the franchise guys, which include (again IMO):

 

Watson

Garoppolo

Goff

Stafford

Cousins

Ryan

Dak

Wentz

 

Then you've got your promising-but-not-yet-there types:

 

Allen

Darnold

Murray

Jones

 

Everyone else, IMO, is probably looking over their shoulder at this point.

 

I'd take Wentz, Goff and depending on the day Watson off that list.

 

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5 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

If you read what thebandit27 posted a few posts above yours that is what a franchise QB is. They are the guys that don't always need everything to go right for them to win. All those QBs you mentioned had everything go right for them to win. Yes they are elite QBs but not franchise ones. 

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Soooo... 

 

For you, Franchise QBs are a notch above Elite QBs????

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1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

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Soooo... 

 

For you, Franchise QBs are a notch above Elite QBs????

Maybe elite isn't the word. Those QBs are great but not on the same level as the top 5 ones. 

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1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

With the season being over we can concentrate on post season stats 

 

Bruh... once again... ignore the threads you want to ignore.

 

You constantly scream about how the ignore feature is great for posters, well since there isn't an ignore feature for threads, use whatever self discipline you might have and just don't click on the threads you don't want to read... and then add an extra measure of self discipline--I have faith you have enough--and don't bother posting in it.

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Posted (edited)

This years QB grid came out.  I thought this thread is basically trying to show Allen's improvement so here is his two year's of grids...

 

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

This years QB grid came out.  I thought this thread is basically trying to show Allen's improvement so here is his two year's of grids...

 

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Hapless posted the grid for last year and this year. Just by looking at this year, one can determine how Allen is performing relative to the rest of the league. Green is above average, yellow within the average, red below. In order to see the actual improvement (or regression) one would have to look at last year's grid for Josh. When one does so, it is evident that he has improved significantly, especially in throws before the los and in the 10 to 20 range right and left side.

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Hapless posted the grid for last year and this year. Just by looking at this year, one can determine how Allen is performing relative to the rest of the league. Green is above average, yellow within the average, red below. In order to see the actual improvement (or regression) one would have to look at last year's grid for Josh. When one does so, it is evident that he has improved significantly, especially in throws before the los and in the 10 to 20 range right and left side.

 

I did not see his post.  In any case, at first it would not let me post both.  Said I used too much space.  They are both posted now.

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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I did not see his post.  In any case, at first it would not let me post both.  Said I used too much space.  They are both posted now.

I never know how that posting thing works. Every time I try to post a funny meme or the like, it always seems to be a too much space situation. Board is missing out on comedy gold because I am incompetent in figuring out such things:rolleyes:

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23 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

This years QB grid came out.  I thought this thread is basically trying to show Allen's improvement so here is his two year's of grids...

 

joshgrid.thumb.jpg.793d7b2da99368d2ad28a901f858b667.jpg

 

 

 

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I think that jives with what we've seen.

 

He's certainly improved his short to intermediate passing immensely.

 

For whatever reason, he struggles a bit throwing to the right side of the field.

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12 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I think that jives with what we've seen.

 

He's certainly improved his short to intermediate passing immensely.

 

For whatever reason, he struggles a bit throwing to the right side of the field.

 

Right-handed QBs tend to scramble more to their right. Josh was terrible throwing on the run this year and also learned to throw the ball away more often leading to more incompletions. 

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3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I think that jives with what we've seen.

 

He's certainly improved his short to intermediate passing immensely.

 

For whatever reason, he struggles a bit throwing to the right side of the field.

It may jibe with what we’ve seen. Allen doesn’t speak jive 

 

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