billsbackto81 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, uticaclub said: 2017 Minnesota Vikings Really dude? Bradford was the starter going into the season before he got hurt and Keenam took over. Bridgewater was gone before the season even started, but yes, TECHNICALLY he was the 1st string QB before he got hurt in training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 21 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I love that some reacted to my post yet couldn’t even response. On what planet is Matt Barkley better than Hoyer? Just because a guy is the Bills doesn’t mean you should just make up things. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/12477/brian-hoyer http://www.nfl.com/player/mattbarkley/2539308/profile Another consideration is scout team work, which I guess he has excelled at: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/04/patriots-defense-credits-brian-hoyer-for-scout-team-preparation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 21 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: this thread. I really enjoy this. 19 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Make what up? I think Barkley is better suited for us and Allen at this point, Hoyer has reached his ceiling, Barkley hasn't. How am I wrong? You're not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 We're not carrying 3 active quarterbacks. We do need a young PS guy. Hoyer is not young or eligible, although he's pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Barkley has a noodle arm. I really liked Barkley in his draft. My favorite qb. So I watched his nfl career and he’s just not good enough. Say what you want to about Hoyer but he is HOFer compared to Barkley. I get we’re Bills fans but man do we love to overrate our players. I don’t remember any Barkley love before we got him. Now, he’s a great backup. Ftr, I’m fine with Barkley but I’m not going to pretend there aren’t better options. Hoyer is a better option. But what does stupid NE know? I have right opinions that don’t follow the pack. Been that way since third grade and the teacher asked if Ben Franklin was ever a President. I was the only one who said he wasn’t. Please tell me how Barkley is better. Because there are no stats that come close to showing that. Hoyer has won more games and started a playoff game. Hoyer has backed up Tom Brady. There is literally not one piece of evidence that show Barkley is a better qb. Find me some. This is is my Ben Franklin 2.0. You've become completely unhinged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: You've become completely unhinged. Yeah, clearly the guy who wants the qb with a much better qb rating rating, more wins, started a playoff game, and was a backup on SB teams over a guy with a 67 career QBs rating and 2 wins is clearly the unhinged one. I am the voice of reason in a sea of craziness. If the situations were reversed, bills homer would be laughing at replacing a seasoned vet like Hoyer for a “scrub” like Barkley, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 44 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Really dude? Bradford was the starter going into the season before he got hurt and Keenam took over. Bridgewater was gone before the season even started, but yes, TECHNICALLY he was the 1st string QB before he got hurt in training camp. So you just proved the Vikings made the playoffs by having a reliable 3rd QB on the roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 59 minutes ago, uticaclub said: So you just proved the Vikings made the playoffs by having a reliable 3rd QB on the roster The only thing I proved is how rare it is for a 3rd string QB to start 15 games in a season. But as I mentioned IMO he was 2nd string? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I'd rather sign Fitzpatrick on a wooden leg than Hoyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Barkley has a noodle arm. I really liked Barkley in his draft. My favorite qb. So I watched his nfl career and he’s just not good enough. Say what you want to about Hoyer but he is HOFer compared to Barkley. I get we’re Bills fans but man do we love to overrate our players. I don’t remember any Barkley love before we got him. Now, he’s a great backup. Ftr, I’m fine with Barkley but I’m not going to pretend there aren’t better options. Hoyer is a better option. But what does stupid NE know? I have right opinions that don’t follow the pack. Been that way since third grade and the teacher asked if Ben Franklin was ever a President. I was the only one who said he wasn’t. Please tell me how Barkley is better. Because there are no stats that come close to showing that. Hoyer has won more games and started a playoff game. Hoyer has backed up Tom Brady. There is literally not one piece of evidence that show Barkley is a better qb. Find me some. This is is my Ben Franklin 2.0. I mean isn't Ben Franklin not being President more of an objective fact, not so much an opinion? Wait, that doesn't hurt your argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) Well, is there a reasonably capable Practice Squad QB kid available to join the Bills??? Someone other than Allen or Barkley to throw balls in practice over 17 +weeks to keep their arms from going dead. Edited September 2, 2019 by Stallions spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) It is a moot point. Hoyer will be re-signed by NE. It’s a game BB plays. They cut Demaryius Thomas too and he’ll also be re-signed. It’s a little game that can move cap space and, more importantly, get young players to the IR without subjecting them to the waiver wire. Also those players will be available to come off of IR late in the season because they will be on the 53 man roster on Monday. The Browns are doing this with Robinson to get a rookie, Forbes, to the IR. Edited September 2, 2019 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 14 hours ago, BarleyNY said: It is a moot point. Hoyer will be re-signed by NE. Signed by the Colts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, The Dean said: Signed by the Colts Just saw that. Guess I was wrong there. I can’t believe that they are going with Jarrett Stidham as Brady’s backup. Thought they were doing the same thing with him as they are with Thomas. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 7:57 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: I love that some reacted to my post yet couldn’t even response. On what planet is Matt Barkley better than Hoyer? Just because a guy is the Bills doesn’t mean you should just make up things. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/12477/brian-hoyer http://www.nfl.com/player/mattbarkley/2539308/profile ...Earth, Pluto, Saturn & Mars for starters.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) Matt Barkley 2 years for $4 million Brian Hoyer 3 years for $12 million but clearly Barkley is better. ? I love Bills fans but some of you need to join reality. 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Earth, Pluto, Saturn & Mars for starters.......... Apparently the Colts on planet earth think Hoyer is better. So recap. Hoyer has won more games, started playoff games, has better stats across the board (by a good amount), backed up Tom Brady, got cut, and signed a contract 2 times as big as Barkley’s, yet clearly, Hoyer is worse. Makes total sense. ? Edited September 2, 2019 by C.Biscuit97 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Matt Barkley 2 years for $4 million Brian Hoyer 3 years for $12 million but clearly Barkley is better. ? I love Bills fans but some of you need to join reality. Apparently the Colts on planet earth think Hoyer is better. So recap. Hoyer has won more games, started playoff games, has better stats across the board (by a good amount), backed up Tom Brady, got cut, and signed a contract 2 times as big as Barkley’s, yet clearly, Hoyer is worse. Makes total sense. ? Colts only have Brissett on the team..............it's called desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Hoyer is substantially better than Barkley if Josh were to be out for more than a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Just saw that. Guess I was wrong there. I can’t believe that they are going with Jarrett Stidham as Brady’s backup. Thought they were doing the same thing with him as they are with Thomas. Wow. Looks like the genius Belicheat doesn't like Hoyer..lol 19 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Hoyer is substantially better than Barkley if Josh were to be out for more than a game. Is that why the genius cut him? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 minute ago, first_and_ten said: Looks like the genius Belicheat doesn't like Hoyer..lol Is that why the genius cut him? lol The genius kept him for three years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: The genius kept him for three years. What's that got to do with today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Everything. He is still the same player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: The genius kept him for three years. ...same time frame as some guys with their first wife...now what????....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Everything. He is still the same player. Obviously he's not, or the Cheat wouldn't have cut him. Just as Barkley has progressed, Hoyer has regressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Hoyer is substantially better than Barkley if Josh were to be out for more than a game. In the one playoff game he started, Hoyer looked like London EJ. I've had no use for him ever since, give me Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: Obviously he's not, or the Cheat wouldn't have cut him. Just as Barkley has progressed, Hoyer has regressed That is not true, he just happened to like a younger and cheaper guy a little more. You don't like, Bellichick as an example? Fine. Frank Reich wants him for the next three years. He knows a thing or two about quarterbacks. 5 minutes ago, Rico said: In the one playoff game he started, Hoyer looked like London EJ. I've had no use for him ever since, give me Barkley. I didn't say he was good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: That is not true, he just happened to like a younger and cheaper guy a little more. You don't like, Bellichick as an example? Fine. Frank Reich wants him for the next three years. He knows a thing or two about quarterbacks. I didn't say he was good. Personally, if I'm being honest. If Allen gets hurt, I want Barkley. The bills could have had Hoyer. They chose Barkley. I agree, and trust they know better than we do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Matt Barkley 2 years for $4 million Brian Hoyer 3 years for $12 million but clearly Barkley is better. ? I love Bills fans but some of you need to join reality. Apparently the Colts on planet earth think Hoyer is better. So recap. Hoyer has won more games, started playoff games, has better stats across the board (by a good amount), backed up Tom Brady, got cut, and signed a contract 2 times as big as Barkley’s, yet clearly, Hoyer is worse. Makes total sense. ? Why would the Bills cut a capable vet who has been here for almost two years now, knows the offense and they just signed to an extension to bring in someone who is also a capable vet but doesn’t know the offense and hasn’t been here and is more expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 minute ago, dubs said: Why would the Bills cut a capable vet who has been here for almost two years now, knows the offense and they just signed to an extension to bring in someone who is also a capable vet but doesn’t know the offense and hasn’t been here and is more expensive? Well, our head coach has a soft spot for rag armed quarterbacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, dubs said: Why would the Bills cut a capable vet who has been here for almost two years now, knows the offense and they just signed to an extension to bring in someone who is also a capable vet but doesn’t know the offense and hasn’t been here and is more expensive? Clearly the Colts are desperate because of what happened with Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Well, our head coach has a soft spot for rag armed quarterbacks. Last time I checked Josh Allen has a pretty strong arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, dubs said: Last time I checked Josh Allen has a pretty strong arm. You mean that noodle armed Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, dubs said: Why would the Bills cut a capable vet who has been here for almost two years now, knows the offense and they just signed to an extension to bring in someone who is also a capable vet but doesn’t know the offense and hasn’t been here and is more expensive? Almost 2 years might be a bit much for a 10 month guy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, dubs said: Last time I checked Josh Allen has a pretty strong arm. Well that makes 25% of the QBs he has had a hand in acquiring. And most people didn't notice this, but in the Bills war room video when they drafted Josh, McDermott was wearing a Kellen Moore jersey. I'm just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: That is not true, he just happened to like a younger and cheaper guy a little more. You don't like, Bellichick as an example? Fine. Frank Reich wants him for the next three years. He knows a thing or two about quarterbacks. I didn't say he was good. I’m not advocating for him but it seems some of these guys think McCoy was our worst back, since he was released and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Almost 2 years might be a bit much for a 10 month guy It's actually closer to no time at all than two years. 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: I’m not advocating for him but it seems some of these guys think McCoy was our worst back, since he was released and all It's rather remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's actually closer to no time at all than two years. It's rather remarkable. I wasn’t nervous before but when you say it like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 36 minutes ago, Rico said: In the one playoff game he started, Hoyer looked like London EJ. I've had no use for him ever since, give me Barkley. Hoyer is 1-10 in his last 3 years. I'll take my chances with Matt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, ColoradoBills said: Hoyer is 1-10 in his last 3 years. I'll take my chances with Matt. Exactly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Matt Barkley 2 years for $4 million Brian Hoyer 3 years for $12 million but clearly Barkley is better. I can understand someone thinking Hoyer is better than Barkley (though at this point in their careers, and for the 2019 Bills, I don't agree). But you clearly don't want to use their salaries as any sort of proof, do you? Are you prepared to argue every player making X is better than every player making less than X? This didn't help your case at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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