John from Riverside Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, BillsVet said: I understand that as both the GM and HC contribute to organizational success in different ways. If Beane is not a part of the success, as with any GM, he will be held accountable. And if he is not building the roster, he could be let go, as Dave Gettleman was in Carolina, before the HC was. I think we are basically saying the same thing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Hey Brandon, the Panthers need a kicker. Work your magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Its not....he does not coach or play in these games. He will get fired if they do not win....but he is doing his part of this to be successful His job entails having the right coach and acquiring the right talent that aligns with the coach's philosophy. He's not PLAYING so I suppose you could play the semantics game there. But his job literally depends on the team winning games. That's the one and only barometer for which to judge a GM. If you have another, I'd love to hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 11 hours ago, colin said: if he packages say zay and a 3rd and all these extra picks for clowney, then he gets into football olympus for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 11 hours ago, oldschoolfootball1963 said: He just traded flat out crap for picks. He’s a f-ing wizard See Kelvin Benjamin. We still have to take the wait and see approach on Beane. Ultimately it will fall on whether or not JA becomes our franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 9 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Its not....he does not coach or play in these games. He will get fired if they do not win....but he is doing his part of this to be successful But I would argue that Whaley's teams were more talented than any Beane has put together to date. So if we are taking the position that it is not the GM's job to win games but instead put good football players on the roster than I would say Beane still has some work to do. Whaley certainly had a terrible head coach that did not get the most out of the players on the roster. I'm good with Beane so far. But i realize not everything he touches turns to gold either. Can't hit on them all. KB was a huge flop. And let's knock on wood Morse is not another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 12 hours ago, uticaclub said: let's win more than 6 games with one of his teams first John Butler We had 9 wins in17. We had one down year under bean and that year had a purpose. To purge the team of over priced and under performing players. Beane accomplished that. I can't believe how blind some posters on thus board are. The Bills have had the best leadership over the last three years than any time since treasurer bowl years. We have a Premier defense and a rapidly moving offense. Why all the complaining. Enjoy the ride. It is just getting started. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 14 hours ago, oldschoolfootball1963 said: He just traded flat out crap for picks. He’s a f-ing wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Obviously, if Josh Allen works out Beane will be here a long time. The question is if he doesn't has McBeane built a good enough roster to get a 2nd crack at a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Obviously, if Josh Allen works out Beane will be here a long time. The question is if he doesn't has McBeane built a good enough roster to get a 2nd crack at a QB? probably, this team looks more physically capable and fundamentally sound than previously. I know it's just preseason but the players looked good doing the basics and weren't run over out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 14 hours ago, bilzfancy said: Nah, remember when he quit, he left the team in salary cap hell yes but he was good at getting the right players and i think a lot of that was trying to win that Superbowl,which they had a real shot at in 99. Also Ralph screwed him over so he didn't do us any favors when he left. he built san Diego into a contender right quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) The very best part of Brandon Beane being the GM of the Buffalo Bills... IS... that Ralph Wilson is no longer the owner of the Buffalo Bills!!! As he can't fire the guy...can't get into an argument with him...won't let another team out bid him for* Beane's services. The past owner won't screw this one up, this time! Wilson let Chuck Knox walk Seattle because he wanted more money... as Knox had transformed a bottom of the barrel losing team into a playoff contender. What had been the city of jokes from late night talk shows about the smelly steel town of Buffalo with the yellow air, the love canal, the hella bad show storms in winter with the smallest TV market with one of the worst losing teams in the NFL. The team was winning again and Wilson had no need for Knox being one of the highest paid head coaches, so he let him walk away. Chuck Knox had made the city of Buffalo relevant again in the NFL as they hadn't beaten Don *Shula's Miami Dolphins once in the entire decade of the 1970's! Yeah, ten years! This was the beginning of the "talking proud" campaign of the 1980's as the Bills winning inspired people to start feeling good about living in Buffalo! Knox, believe it or not was a direct connection as to why Bill Polian was hired by the Buffalo Bills in the first place. Polian would go on to build a four time world champion contender in Buffalo until he got into a fight with the owner...who then fired him. Polian went on to build a super bowl contender in Carolina and Indianapolis which actually won a SB. Gotta love Beane and what he has done to the Buffalo Bills! Gotta love the Pegula's for what they have done for the Buffalo Bills and the city of Buffalo, the Buffalo Sabres, Buffalo Bandits, Rochester Americans, the Buffalo Beauts, the Rochester Knighthawks. I think this time around things might be different. Edited August 31, 2019 by Nihilarian 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Nihilarian said: The very best part of Brandon Beane being the GM of the Buffalo Bills... IS... that Ralph Wilson is no longer the owner of the Buffalo Bills!!! As he can't fire the guy...can't get into an argument with him...won't let another team out bid him how Beane's services. The past owner won't screw this one up, this time! Wilson let Chuck Knox walk Seattle because he wanted more money... as Knox had transformed a bottom of the barrel losing team into a playoff contender. What had been the city of jokes from late night talk shows about the smelly steel town of Buffalo with the yellow air, the love canal, the hella bad show storms in winter with the smallest TV market with one of the worst losing teams in the NFL. The team was winning again and Wilson had no need for Knox being one of the highest paid head coaches, so he let him walk away. Chuck Knox had made the city of Buffalo relevant again in the NFL as they hadn't beaten Dob Shula's Miami Dolphins once in the entire decade of the 1970's! Yeah, ten years! This was the beginning of the "talking proud" campaign of the 1980's as the Bills winning inspired people to start feeling good about living in Buffalo! Knox, believe it or not was a direct connection as to why Bill Polian was hired by the Buffalo Bills in the first place. Polian would go on to build a four time world champion contender in Buffalo until he got into a fight with the owner...who then fired him. Polian went on to build a super bowl contender in Carolina and Indianapolis which actually won a SB. Gotta love Beane and what he has done to the Buffalo Bills! Gotta love the Pegula's for what they have done for the Buffalo Bills and the city of Buffalo, the Buffalo Sabres, Buffalo Bandits, Rochester Americans, the Buffalo Beauts, the Rochester Knighthawks. I think this time around things might be different. No thinking about it, we are winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Right on Chandler! Ovaltine is for old farts and should not be discussed in mixed company. They were also the original ad spammer. BESURETODRINKYOUROVALTINE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: See Kelvin Benjamin. We still have to take the wait and see approach on Beane. Ultimately it will fall on whether or not JA becomes our franchise QB. No we don't. 46 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: The very best part of Brandon Beane being the GM of the Buffalo Bills... IS... that Ralph Wilson is no longer the owner of the Buffalo Bills!!! As he can't fire the guy...can't get into an argument with him...won't let another team out bid him how Beane's services. The past owner won't screw this one up, this time! Wilson let Chuck Knox walk Seattle because he wanted more money... as Knox had transformed a bottom of the barrel losing team into a playoff contender. What had been the city of jokes from late night talk shows about the smelly steel town of Buffalo with the yellow air, the love canal, the hella bad show storms in winter with the smallest TV market with one of the worst losing teams in the NFL. The team was winning again and Wilson had no need for Knox being one of the highest paid head coaches, so he let him walk away. Chuck Knox had made the city of Buffalo relevant again in the NFL as they hadn't beaten Dob Shula's Miami Dolphins once in the entire decade of the 1970's! Yeah, ten years! This was the beginning of the "talking proud" campaign of the 1980's as the Bills winning inspired people to start feeling good about living in Buffalo! Knox, believe it or not was a direct connection as to why Bill Polian was hired by the Buffalo Bills in the first place. Polian would go on to build a four time world champion contender in Buffalo until he got into a fight with the owner...who then fired him. Polian went on to build a super bowl contender in Carolina and Indianapolis which actually won a SB. Gotta love Beane and what he has done to the Buffalo Bills! Gotta love the Pegula's for what they have done for the Buffalo Bills and the city of Buffalo, the Buffalo Sabres, Buffalo Bandits, Rochester Americans, the Buffalo Beauts, the Rochester Knighthawks. I think this time around things might be different. Wilson was a terrible owner... especially once he hit his 80s. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: No we don't. Wilson was a terrible owner... especially once he hit his 80s. sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 13 hours ago, bilzfancy said: Who's drafts were better? Who's free agent signings were better? Who's trades were better? I honestly don't hold Whaley in "high regard". I will go with McBeane any day of the week. I question what Whaley would have done if he hadn't apparently been told to trade the first rd pick to KC for what turned out to be Tre White and the extra 1st rd pick the following year. Would we still be watching Tyrod Taylor playing QB for this team? Would Whaley have drafted either Mahomes or Watson with the pick? Ultimately we should have a better read on McBeane at the end of this season. Hopefully Allen stays healthy all season. And I have to say that this defense in particular seems like the strongest the Bills have had in quite some time. McDermott and his defensive coaches have created one of the deepest defensive rosters with Beanes help. Beane may not be a god but I don't see why we have to have this conversation right now to begin with. Can't it wait until the end of this season at least? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikademus Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 If Peter Venkman taught us nothing else, he taught us the answer is always Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 20 hours ago, bilzfancy said: Nah, remember when he quit, he left the team in salary cap hell Yeah I was never a huge fan of Butler. His problem was he was a great scout, loved every football player he ever say and would too easily agree to pay them whatever they wanted. Admittedly we were in the early years of free agency and salary cap so was still a learning process, but he seemed to take much longer to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Had he been able to move Shady he'd have been considered a genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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