Pro Football Network: Bills one of teams in on Clowney trade

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I just don’t get why the dolphins would get him when they’re seemingly tearing it down?

I get the impression they are getting rid of guys they don’t want and going after guys they do. It’s a whole new coaching staff. I don’t think they are “tanking”. 

Edited August 25, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, skibum said:

But if we pay Clowney long term, what does that mean for extending Edmunds in a couple years? I can’t see the Bills FO throwing that much money at one area of the team.

We have Edmunds for three more years after this season. That is not a worry at all. 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I wonder if McBeane feel the same way. I suspect if they knew that their first round pick would give them an opportunity to have a rare elite defense, they’d gladly make that pick. What’s the difference between making that pick now vs. later? 

I think the thing is you never know what can happen in an NFL season, especially with an unproven QB.  I love Allen but he is unproven.  If the Bills did end up being 6-10 and Clowney walks, it's Ryan O'Reilly level bad.  

[Big C]

Just now, NoSaint said:

 

It also would send a hell of a message to 52 other guys about immediate expectations. 

 

This is isn’t a compete for a wild card move. This is a go for a championship move 

 

I'm all for that! Let's go get it!

 

QB on his rookie contract, you gotta load up the roster and go. They believe in Josh. It's time. 

[Nextmanup]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Can you be more specific? A guy like what? And why, precisely, wouldn't he impact the W-L column?

Clowney.  B/C he's a defensive player and those guys don't change the outcomes of games.

 

A strong passing game changes the outcome of games.

 

 

[K-9]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

If you make the trade, you’re operating under the assumption Clowney A) Signs here long term and B) Helps lead us to the Playoffs.  

 

That first round pick is then in the 20’s.  

 

You cant build a contender by playing it safe all the time.  You draft well and structure smart contracts to make moves like this.  

 

Id be ok with a 1 for Clowney. 

I’m not advocating the trade one way or the other, only arguing the premise that if Clowney indeed makes your D elite and you’d be willing to draft a guy in the first who could do the same anyway, then spending that first on Clowney now makes just as much sense. 

 

That said, I’m with you on this. Swing for the fences. Fortune favors the bold, after all.

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, SCBills said:

 

Won’t Hughes be coming off the books then?

Yes. There's that. And there's also the fact that we've become obsessed with the cap. The time to be aggressive is NOW with the QB on his rookie deal. You want to keep on eye on the future, but Edmunds contract won't be up until 2022! White in 2021. Let's cross that bridge when we come to it. That being said, I think he goes to Miami.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

We have Edmunds for three more years after this season. That is not a worry at all. 

Imagine lining up with both Edmunds and Clowney staring at you 

[CNYfan]

I am not sure what to think about this.  In my opinion the value going back to Houston can only be for the one year rental.  There are no guarantees after that.  So the value would have to be just measured against one year.

 

I suspect Philly, a realistic Super Bowl Contender, will be motivated to provide the most value back to Texas.   

 

I like Darryl Johnson.

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, skibum said:

But if we pay Clowney long term, what does that mean for extending Edmunds in a couple years? I can’t see the Bills FO throwing that much money at one area of the team. Oh well, it’s not my money.

 

It means clowneys contract would be in its twilight and you structure Edmonds to slide behind it with a big signing bonus that pushes cap to year 2-3 when Clowney is coming off the books.

 

its the definition of the kind of move a team like ours should be making with some superstar today. It’s much harder to resign the 1st round pick alongside Edmonds and Allen than to spend the money now to ensure you get the impact if you are letting someone walk in 4-5 seasons regardless 

Edited August 25, 2019 by NoSaint

[K-9]

1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

I think the thing is you never know what can happen in an NFL season, especially with an unproven QB.  I love Allen but he is unproven.  If the Bills did end up being 6-10 and Clowney walks, it's Ryan O'Reilly level bad.  

I gotta believe there’s no deal with McBeane without assurances from Clowney beforehand. Without those assurances, I assume the entire point is moot.

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

I think the thing is you never know what can happen in an NFL season, especially with an unproven QB.  I love Allen but he is unproven.  If the Bills did end up being 6-10 and Clowney walks, it's Ryan O'Reilly level bad.  

 

If Allen’s a flop, we are starting over anyway. Having a good pass rusher isn’t the end of the world there. 

[K-9]

1 minute ago, CNYfan said:

I am not sure what to think about this.  In my opinion the value going back to Houston can only be for the one year rental.  There are no guarantees after that.  So the value would have to be just measured against one year.

 

I suspect Philly, a realistic Super Bowl Contender, will be motivated to provide the most value back to Texas.   

 

I like Darryl Johnson.

Good points.

[NoSaint]

Just now, K-9 said:

I gotta believe there’s no deal with McBeane without assurances from Clowney beforehand. Without those assurances, I assume the entire point is moot.

 

Weve also had a guy directly negotiating with him for the last year which is unique 

[Big C]

3 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

I think the thing is you never know what can happen in an NFL season, especially with an unproven QB.  I love Allen but he is unproven.  If the Bills did end up being 6-10 and Clowney walks, it's Ryan O'Reilly level bad.  

 

The thing is you have to go for it when your QB is on his rookie contract if you believe in him. He might not get you there, but you gotta throw down some coin to get the rest of the pieces in place and give him a shot to prove himself.

 

That being said, I do like our DL depth so far. I don't think they will overpay the Texans.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Big C

[Rocket94]

The Bills need to defeat the Patriots once and for all. They have been kicking our butts up and down the street for years. The addition of Clowney in this young defense goes a long way towards achieving that goal. If the Bills could defeat them twice in one season...then they are getting somewhere.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Rocket94

[TheJauronClap]

4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Clowney.  B/C he's a defensive player and those guys don't change the outcomes of games.

 

A strong passing game changes the outcome of games.

 

 

Uhhhhhhhhh turnovers dont change the outcome of a game. I wonder way teams vaule OLB/DE who get to the QB if they dont do anything to change the outcome 

[Seasons1992]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

It also would send a hell of a message to 52 other guys about immediate expectations. 

 

This is isn’t a compete for a wild card move. This is a go for a championship move 

 

EXACTLY. It's what the teams that want to win it ALL immediately, do. It's refreshing to be in that position.

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Imagine lining up with both Edmunds and Clowney staring at you 

Yeah, and they’re both staring at you while making their best Gase face.

[Seasons1992]

Just now, TheJauronClap said:

Uhhhhhhhhh turnovers dont change the outcome of a game. 

 

 

 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

Just now, Big C said:

 

The thing is you have to go for it when your QB is on his rookie contract if you believe in him. He might not get you there, but you gotta throw down some coin to get the rest of the pieces in place and give him a shot to prove himself.

Yes go for it, I'm just saying trading the first is a very risky move.  I don't know how many teams are lining up to trade a first for Clowney right now.  If it can get done with 2nd and a couple of players that can help them, then yes.  If we get him signed long term then I have no problem trading the first.

[SCBills]

People saying this isn’t an “offense” move are wrong. 

 

An elite defense, with our elite punt returner factors in for how many yards of starting field position?  

 

I dont know about y’all, but I think Allen and the Offense would put up a lot more points starting at the 40, as opposed to the 10. 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Big C said:

 

The thing is you have to go for it when your QB is on his rookie contract if you believe in him. He might not get you there, but you gotta throw down some coin to get the rest of the pieces in place and give him a shot to prove himself.

 

That being said, I do like our DL depth so far. I don't think they will overpay the Texans.

 

I think we have a solid group but I think you have to keep stocking it consistently and it was good not great. 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

I put a 100 on the bills to win the divioson at 10/1 and a 100 to make the playoffs at 3 1/2 to 1.  Odds on the same site for the division are now 8/1, so I feel good about that one.  I'd be really happy if we went and got Clowney.  

Edited August 25, 2019 by K-GunJimKelly12

[whatdrought]

Our sack leader last year for 7... 4 the year before. 

 

Clowney got 10 last year as the second fiddle.

 

im not saying we should go crazy buying him, but it’s hard to argue he’d be a good piece.

[dollars 2 donuts]

 I truly hate to say this, but can we prepare for the possibility that he ends up in Miami, and not just that he ends up in Miami but we find out later he had no interest in ever playing for Buffalo. That would be soul crushing when you consider that the bills are miles, miles, miles, miles ahead of the dolphins .

 

 

Clowney: “ I love what they are building down here in Miami.  I couldn’t be happier about the direction.”

Edited August 25, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts

[LSHMEAB]

Considering this is something I REALLY want to see happen, I'll check back when the thread title includes an edit; traded to Miami or Philadelphia.

[Rocket94]

9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

We have Edmunds for three more years after this season. That is not a worry at all. 

Yes, and if the Bills are winning and those players are contributing to that success...then you pay them.

[aristocrat]

You beat Brady by sacking him. This helps 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 I truly hate to say this, but can we prepare for the possibility that he ends up in Miami, and not just that he ends up in Miami but we find out later he had no interest in ever playing for Buffalo. That would be soul crushing when you consider that the bills are miles, miles, miles, miles ahead of the dolphins .

 

I mean, we can, but there’s no reason to think he has “no interest” in playing here.  He’s not Antonio Brown. 

 

The only team he’s reportedly had reservations about is Miami. 

 

Also, I’m sure Brian Gaine knows him pretty well. If we’re interested, it’s probably in part due to him. 

 

Edited August 25, 2019 by SCBills

[dollars 2 donuts]

Just now, SCBills said:

 

I mean, we can, but there’s no reason to think he has “no interest” in playing here.  He’s not Antonio Brown. 

 

 

I love you.  Thank you.

[Happy]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I'd be hesistant giving up a first due to the plethora of top WRs in next years draft.

 

 

 

I would too, but there are multiple people on here who would give the house for Clowney.  

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Our sack leader last year for 7... 4 the year before. 

 

Clowney got 10 last year as the second fiddle.

 

im not saying we should go crazy buying him, but it’s hard to argue he’d be a good piece.

 

He also got 10 playing more lb than just d end like he would be here. I think he’d be in the teens if he were just going after the qb

[TheJauronClap]

Just now, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I would too, but there are multiple people on here who would give the house for Clowney.  

Sometimes you need to make a deal to make a push and be a contender 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I'm all for a 2nd, Zay/Foster/McCoy, and Lawson.

That would be the ideal type of trade for me as well, I just don't know if that is quite enough for the Texans to bite.  Might not have a better offer though.

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I would too, but there are multiple people on here who would give the house for Clowney.  

 

 

A beer from me HG not because of doing it as you say, but that I agree with you on some peoples feelings around here.

 

i honestly don’t want to overpay for this guy.

[Big C]

1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Yes go for it, I'm just saying trading the first is a very risky move.  I don't know how many teams are lining up to trade a first for Clowney right now.  If it can get done with 2nd and a couple of players that can help them, then yes.  If we get him signed long term then I have no problem trading the first.

 

Agreed the latter would be the ideal trade and I think that is what they are angling for. And from the reports, it sounds like we have what they are looking for (depth WR, new RB).

 

7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

I think we have a solid group but I think you have to keep stocking it consistently and it was good not great. 

 

For sure, just don't think we are desperate.

[CNYfan]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm all for a 2nd, Zay/Foster/McCoy, and Lawson.

Again I disagree.  If this were a multiyear proposition maybe.  But not that much for a 1 year rental .   

 

 

[Delete This Account]

Spoke to someone earlier today about Bills/Clowney, person shook head no.

 

jw

[Rocket94]

6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Considering this is something I REALLY want to see happen, I'll check back when the thread title includes an edit; traded to Miami or Philadelphia.

Sometimes if I turned the channel the Bills would win!

Edited August 25, 2019 by Rocket94