Democrat Debates

[Deranged Rhino]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

I'll make it better. If Biden is the nominee and he wins -- I'll keep it for four years. 

 

If Biden isn't the nominee, or if he loses to Trump in the general, you have to change your avatar to a Pro-Trump one for a year. 

 

Deal?

(4-1)

 

4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

This would be funny if I didn't think you actually thought this proves he's not a racist.  Just sad.  It's like that twitter post propaganda @Foxx posted the other day that he begged any liberal to watch.

 

Just sad.

 

What's that picture from? What event? Was Trump a regular there or just a passerby? 

 

Yeah... helps to look deeper. But keep telling us all how he's a racist because the media tells you that he is. The same media that lied to you for the past three years about him being Putin's asset. 

 

They think you're stupid, Transplant. And you're proving they're correct.

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

You mean Obama's scandal-free legacy?

 

 

 

Democrats turn on Obama legacy as they hit out at Biden in debate

by Naomi Lim

 

Original Article

 

 

.

 

THEY’RE NOT ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE: 

‘No Republican Talking Points!’ Is The New Democrat Talking Point.

 

 

 

.

I found Castro's statement interesting where he said one of us didn't learn from our mistakes to Biden since he was part of the Obama administration.  It's natural for progressive candidates to keep moving the ball forward as it was only 10 years Obama said he was against gay marriage but for civil unions.  Now a majority of Americans support it. 

 

Conservatives have always been more status quo by their very nature so they rarely go after the previous GOP administrations.  However, the Dem candidates not qualifying their statements about the ACA being a step in the right direction in their view (20 million more people uninsured, pre existing conditions now covered, less bankruptcies, people covered under parents plan until 24, etc..), they just came across as wildly at odds with the majority of the democratic electorate.  Same thing goes for illegal immigration.  At least if Biden and maybe Buttigieg stand their ground, primary voters will be given the choice of a more moderate candidate and a more progressive candidate.

 

19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Correct. 

 

Which is why there aren't any winners on that stage (or last night's stage). 

 

Thank you for proving my point.  

I think your failing to see that somebody like Biden, Buttigieg, and even Harris will move towards the middle once they clinch the nomination.  Winning the primary and general election are two different things.

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I think your failing to see that somebody like Biden, Buttigieg, and even Harris will move towards the middle once they clinch the nomination.  Winning the primary and general election are two different things.

 

They'll absolutely move to the middle - or try to. 

 

But why did Hillary run and not Biden in 2016? Because Biden was too far left and Hillary was the moderate. Joe's record won't let him move to the middle even when he tries. Harris's handlers won't let her move to the middle when she wins because they're all HRC holdovers who thought calling half the country "deplorable" was a winning strategy. And Mayor Pete can't win unless he massively increases his black support which is near 0 at the moment. 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

They'll absolutely move to the middle - or try to. 

 

But why did Hillary run and not Biden in 2016? Because Biden was too far left and Hillary was the moderate. Joe's record won't let him move to the middle even when he tries. Harris's handlers won't let her move to the middle when she wins because they're all HRC holdovers who thought calling half the country "deplorable" was a winning strategy. And Mayor Pete can't win unless he massively increases his black support which is near 0 at the moment. 

People automatically equate Biden with Obama's policies because they have it in their mind that he's the VP and therefore it would be Obama's third term.  Hillary with all her problems still won the popular vote and lost by a sliver in the three Midwest states she needed to win.  All they really have to do is turn out more voters by running a slightly more palatable candidate and that might be enough.  They don't even need to win the Obama turned Trump voters.  It won't be easy but it's certainly doable with the right candidate.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

People automatically equate Biden with Obama's policies because they have it in their mind that he's the VP and therefore it would be Obama's third term.  Hillary with all her problems still won the popular vote and lost by a sliver in the three Midwest states she needed to win.  All they really have to do is turn out more voters by running a slightly more palatable candidate and that might be enough.  They don't even need to win the Obama turned Trump voters.  It won't be easy but it's certainly doable with the right candidate.

 

I agree -- but the bolded is the issue. The right candidate isn't on either stage. 

 

Biden's troubles haven't even begun (China, Ukraine). 

Harris's troubles haven't even begun (her AG resume, divisive history in law enforcement)

 

Sanders and Warren both have all their skeletons out in the open already, and don't have any surprises left -- which makes them the strongest candidates to survive a general with Trump... but they're also the two least electable front-runners on the ticket. 

 

(imo of course)

[TakeYouToTasker]

24 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

When you say to 4 people of color, all of whom are citizens, 3 of whom were born and raised in the USA and I quote "who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)" to "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.

 

you MUST acknowledge one of two things about the speaker regarding that particular thing he said:

 

1) He/she is a moron

 

2) He/she is a racist

 

 

But in this case it's more likely that he's a combination of both.

 

Too many things throughout his entire life to count.

 

Trump's pretty clearly a racist bigot.  But at least that's not the only thing he has going for him...

 

He's falls under plenty of other categories when it comes to being a bigot.

 

 

In addition to this:  we’re experiencing all time low unemployment for blacks Americans.

 

Factor that in along with the fact the President Trump doesn’t need the black vote to win the election.  That’s the reality.

 

And yet he is courting their vote like no Republican candidate ever.  He’s drawing attention to core “black” issues, and he’s solving their problems.

 

Those aren’t the acts of a racist.

 

But you know who does need the black vote to win?  Democrats.

 

Democrats will never win another Presidential election if they lose the black vote, and this terrifies them.  Lyndon Johnson promised the Democratic Party that he’d “have those n*****s voting Democrat for 100 years.” by enslaving them to the state.

 

Thats why Democrats are so desperate to paint the President as a racist every time he exposes how bad black Americans have it under them thumb of Democrats who keep them broken to keep them on the dole.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2019 by B-Man

[Chef Jim]

57 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

When you say to 4 people of color, all of whom are citizens, 3 of whom were born and raised in the USA and I quote "who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)" to "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.

 

you MUST acknowledge one of two things about the speaker regarding that particular thing he said:

 

1) He/she is a moron

 

2) He/she is a racist

 

 

 

I'll give you the first conclusion.  Please explain, in detail, how you have logically come to this conclusion regarding the part in bold. 

 

I'd also like for you to define what a racist it. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Chef Jim

[3rdnlng]

The Democrat Party could just as easily be called the Forked Tongue Party. It's nominee has to say one thing to become the nominee but has to change that stance to win the general election. The difference between Trump and his Republican predecessors is that Trump is not afraid of calling the Forked Tongue Party out. The FTP has boxed themselves into positions of being an honest socialist or a lying party.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The media complex/Hillary holdovers in the media want Harris. 

The DNC establishment wants Biden.

The progressive left (minority in numbers, but most vocal/active) want neither of the above. 

 

All polls are designed to accentuate the top two items, whether they have the data to support it or not. It's all smoke and mirrors until people go to the ballot box in 8 months.

I could see Joey-B being the nominee with Kamala as his VP. I still think Kamala is the "chosen one", but I could be wrong.

If Biden is the nominee will he win the general? Ummmm unlikely. I still say he's in this to scream "political persecution" if something goes down with Ukraine indictments on his son, but ?‍♀️  ya never know.
 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal

[Doc Brown]

11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

The Democrat Party could just as easily be called the Forked Tongue Party. It's nominee has to say one thing to become the nominee but has to change that stance to win the general election. The difference between Trump and his Republican predecessors is that Trump is not afraid of calling the Forked Tongue Party out. The FTP has boxed themselves into positions of being an honest socialist or a lying party.

Trump said we should take out the terrorists families, bring back even worse than waterboarding, deport all 11 million illegal aliens, and called for a complete Muslim immigration ban in the United States in the Republican party in order to win the GOP nomination.  He then modified his views for the general election and even more once he took office.  It runs in both parties.

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Trump said we should take out the terrorists families, bring back even worse than waterboarding, deport all 11 million illegal aliens, and called for a complete Muslim immigration ban in the United States in the Republican party in order to win the GOP nomination.  He then modified his views for the general election and even more once he took office.  It runs in both parties.

 

 

That is an oft-repeated falsehood that is way below you Doc.

 

 

.

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

That is an oft-repeated falsehood that is way below you Doc.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

When you say to 4 people of color, all of whom are citizens, 3 of whom were born and raised in the USA and I quote "who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)" to "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.

 

you MUST acknowledge one of two things about the speaker regarding that particular thing he said:

 

1) He/she is a moron

 

2) He/she is a racist

You're accepting that talking point line that the President was referring to "where they came from" as being their home country.  Did it ever occur to you that he's actually talking about their congressional District?  Or did that escape you?  In the case of Rep Cummings, we're all being told he's talking about Baltimore.  Are you saying he was talking about AFRICA?

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

That's the most Hollywood thing I've heard year from any of the candidates.  

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

... They think you're stupid, Transplant. And you're proving they're correct.

he really is. i think he was the last fan off the Tyrod train. if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know.....

he prolly still has that Tyrod Fathead on his bedroom ceiling...

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

 

In addition to this:  we’re experiencing all time low unemployment for blacks Americans.

 

Factor that in along with the fact the President Trump doesn’t need the black vote to win the election.  That’s the reality.

 

And yet he is courting their vote like no Republican candidate ever.  He’s drawing attention to core “black” issues, and he’s solving their problems.

 

Those aren’t the acts of a racist.

 

But you know who does need the black vote to win?  Democrats.

 

Democrats will never win another Presidential election if they lose the black vote, and this terrifies them.  Lyndon Johnson promised the Democratic Party that he’d “have those n*****s voting Democrat for 100 years.” by enslaving them to the state.

 

Thats why Democrats are so desperate to paint the President as a racist every time he exposes how bad black Americans have it under them thumb of Democrats who keep them broken to keep them on the dole.

 

Adding: 

 

link to the article: https://humanevents.com/2019/08/01/donald-trump-is-no-racist/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fhf5muiMzWU

[Doc Brown]

Fox and Friends is defending Biden and Obama.  LOL.  That's when you know you've gone too far left.

 

Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade responded to the clip by defending Biden and suggesting he should have told Booker that he is “proud of” the Obama administration’s immigration policies because they “followed the law.”

 

“He should be proud of the fact that he said if you have a Ph.D., we should give you an easier path to stay here,” Kilmeade added. “They jumped all over him for that.”

 

After playing an interview with a former Obama staffer who called the Democratic attacks against the former president “cringe-worthy,” Ainsley Earhardt said that she could not “believe there was a firing squad against Obama.”

 

“Obama’s approval rating amongst Democrats … is 97%. They love the Obamas,” the Fox News host continued, before saying of former First Lady Michelle Obama: “She is beloved around the world.”

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

 

There's a reason that clip is only 20 seconds long. There were numerous Muslim countries that could not provide any info on their people and Obama had those countries on the list Trump came up with for a temporary ban. That ban was eventually held up by the SC.

[Doc Brown]

14 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

There's a reason that clip is only 20 seconds long. There were numerous Muslim countries that could not provide any info on their people and Obama had those countries on the list Trump came up with for a temporary ban. That ban was eventually held up by the SC.

It was during the primaries and he called for a complete ban on Muslim immigration until we figure what the hell is going on.  Whatever that means.  He didn't know about some list until he got into office.  Don't give me revisionist history bullcrap.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

The opinions of the pundits on MSNBC and even AOC holistically do not represent "the party," which I believe you (and many others) will discover is still more center left than the far left you guys think it is.

 

It's why Sanders and Warren won't win the nomination and why you noticed even Harris's unveiled health care plan this week kinda moved away from Sanders's vision of healthcare for all.

 

Even leading up to last week, Biden's lead over every other candidate in the polls was the same as it was pretty much as it was going up to the first debate.

 

So while you might pay attention to the extremely vocal and visible "communists" (as you guys seem to think they are), most of the democratic voters are still closer to center than the boundary of far left.

...do yourself a huge favor....stick to the FOOTBALL Forum.......SMH.......

[Ralonzo]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The media complex/Hillary holdovers in the media want Harris. 

The DNC establishment wants Biden.

The progressive left (minority in numbers, but most vocal/active) want neither of the above. 

 

All polls are designed to accentuate the top two items, whether they have the data to support it or not. It's all smoke and mirrors until people go to the ballot box in 8 months.

 

After Gabbard done bopped Harris in the nose, she and her media base were stunned. This morning they rolled out a two-pronged attack, Harris accusing the isolationist Gabbard as an ally of dictators like Assad, and the media insinuating she's a Russian plant.

 

Go Harris... we all want to see Willie's home movies.

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

After Gabbard done bopped Harris in the nose, she and her media base were stunned. This morning they rolled out a two-pronged attack, Harris accusing the isolationist Gabbard as an ally of dictators like Assad, and the media insinuating she's a Russian plant.

 

Go Harris... we all want to see Willie's home movies.

The Assad thing is something Tulsi will have to explain if she goes further.  The Russian plant thing is par for the Democratic-course.

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, McGee Return TD said:

 

The average Democrat is way less progressive than you, Trump, and most on the right characterize them as. Real life ain't Twitter. 

 

Exactly.  The vast majority of the Democratic party is more middle left than left left.  Media might portray things differently, but media is also driven by ratings.

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

That's not "hanging out". 

 

Look into what events those pictures were taken at and why Trump was there. 

 

I'll make it better. If Biden is the nominee and he wins -- I'll keep it for four years. 

 

If Biden isn't the nominee, or if he loses to Trump in the general, you have to change your avatar to a Pro-Trump one for a year. 

 

Deal?

(4-1)

 

I won't go with the "if Biden isn't the nominee" part because, while I still pretty strongly believe he'll be the nominee, a lot can happen between now and the caucuses.

 

HOWEVER

 

If you're willing to change my terms to just Trump vs. the field.  I'll take it.  Even odds for both of us.  You choose.  1 year or 4.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Exactly.  The vast majority of the Democratic party is more middle left than left left.  Media might portray things differently, but media is also driven by ratings.

...the bubble on your level is woefully effed up....quit while you're ahead......SMH........

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

You're accepting that talking point line that the President was referring to "where they came from" as being their home country.  Did it ever occur to you that he's actually talking about their congressional District?  Or did that escape you?  In the case of Rep Cummings, we're all being told he's talking about Baltimore.  Are you saying he was talking about AFRICA?

 

What I'm starting to understand is that you guys seem fine with our President being a complete moron, but get offended when he gets called a racist

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

he really is. i think he was the last fan off the Tyrod train. if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know.....

he prolly still has that Tyrod Fathead on his bedroom ceiling...

 

Speaking of stupid, did Williamson and Gabbard win their respective debate nights again?

 

That was what you thought the first time, right? 

 

I mean... you're criteria is who's googled the most, isn't it?

You should search for more propaganda on twitter 

[DC Tom]

9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

What I'm starting to understand is that you guys seem fine with our President being a complete moron, but get offended when he gets called a racist

 

If that ain't the height of hypocrisy.  You're a complete moron, and you blocked me because you were so offended at being called out for your racism.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...do yourself a huge favor....stick to the FOOTBALL Forum.......SMH.......

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

That's not "hanging out". 

 

Look into what events those pictures were taken at and why Trump was there. 

 

I'll make it better. If Biden is the nominee and he wins -- I'll keep it for four years. 

 

If Biden isn't the nominee, or if he loses to Trump in the general, you have to change your avatar to a Pro-Trump one for a year. 

 

Deal?

(4-1)

 

30 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I won't go with the "if Biden isn't the nominee" part because, while I still pretty strongly believe he'll be the nominee, a lot can happen between now and the caucuses.

 

HOWEVER

 

If you're willing to change my terms to just Trump vs. the field.  I'll take it.  Even odds for both of us.  You choose.  1 year or 4.

 

So are we on?

[Deranged Rhino]

33 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I won't go with the "if Biden isn't the nominee" part because, while I still pretty strongly believe he'll be the nominee, a lot can happen between now and the caucuses.

 

(head scratch)

The original point of contention between us was your steadfast belief that Biden would easily be the nominee...

 

 

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

The Assad thing is something Tulsi will have to explain if she goes further.  The Russian plant thing is par for the Democratic-course.

  Sounds like Gabbard is serious about running for POTUS irrespective of her chances.  I guess that her, Williamson, Yang, etc. were supposed to roll over for Harris or Warren or Biden.  Somebody obviously forgot to send out that memo to the JV squad.

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Sounds like Gabbard is serious about running for POTUS irrespective of her chances.  I guess that her, Williamson, Yang, etc. were supposed to roll over for Harris or Warren or Biden.  Somebody obviously forgot to send out that memo to the JV squad.

Out of all the people on the stage, she is the only one that seems semi-reasonable to me. She may have issues (who doesn't?), but who knows how far she can/will go? She's only 38, this may be a dress rehearsal for 2024.

[Foxx]

41 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Speaking of stupid, did Williamson and Gabbard win their respective debate nights again?

 

That was what you thought the first time, right? 

 

I mean... you're criteria is who's googled the most, isn't it?

You should search for more propaganda on twitter 

i know you desire my attention and all but i have been too busy to give you any, so run along and go play in traffic now.

 

i'll give you credit though, you know when your being stupid.

[Teddy KGB]

Anyone remember when all transplant did was ride Tyrod’s D and hated gif’s ? 

 

Dudes the gif king now.     I like the trump one @transplantbillsfan   Nice use ????

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

14 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Anyone remember when all transplant did was ride Tyrod’s D and hated gif’s ? 

 

Dudes the gif king now.     I like the trump one @transplantbillsfan   Nice use ????

....he is a BBMB transplant as well.......rode a pretty high horse over there.....

[BeginnersMind]

16 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

You're accepting that talking point line that the President was referring to "where they came from" as being their home country.  Did it ever occur to you that he's actually talking about their congressional District?  Or did that escape you?  In the case of Rep Cummings, we're all being told he's talking about Baltimore.  Are you saying he was talking about AFRICA?

 

He 

said

they 

came 

from 

——>countries<——-

whose

governments

are 

a 

catastrophe

corrupt

etc

and 

they

should

go 

back

 

-ee cummings style to try to make this dead horse more interesting.

 

Countries. Countries. Countries. N’est-ce pa?

 

Trump specifically was talking about a county (no R) when he attacked Cummings (capitalized and no relation). 

 

16 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I agree -- but the bolded is the issue. The right candidate isn't on either stage. 

 

Biden's troubles haven't even begun (China, Ukraine). 

Harris's troubles haven't even begun (her AG resume, divisive history in law enforcement)

 

Sanders and Warren both have all their skeletons out in the open already, and don't have any surprises left -- which makes them the strongest candidates to survive a general with Trump... but they're also the two least electable front-runners on the ticket. 

 

(imo of course)

 

Skeletons are a thing of the past. You can cheat on your wife, pay off porn stars, insult gold star families and POWs, grab women by the P. 

Edited August 2, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

(head scratch)

The original point of contention between us was your steadfast belief that Biden would easily be the nominee...

 

 

 

I believe Biden will be the nominee, but not as adamantly as you clearly believe he won't. I haven't hitched my wagon to him because I like other candidates as well.

 

Let me put it this way, at this exact moment I'd say Biden vs the field for the Democratic nominee is close to 50/50. He's not necessarily the odds on favorite, but he has by far the best chance to win the nomination over any other individual candidate.

 

You have not merely expressed that he doesn't stand a shot of winning the nomination or Presidency against Trump, but also that none of the Democratic candidates stand a chance against Trump.

 

So again, we on? 

 

Trump wins, I take his avatar for a year.

 

He doesn't, you take the avatar of our new President for a year.

2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Anyone remember when all transplant did was ride Tyrod’s D and hated gif’s ? 

 

Dudes the gif king now.     I like the trump one @transplantbillsfan   Nice use ????

 

You're mixing my feelings of memes with gifs.

 

Static vs dynamic

 

I still hate memes. 

Edited August 2, 2019 by transplantbillsfan