Democrat Debates

[reddogblitz]

13 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

I led a project in Canada.  When we were discussing healthcare they had two points:  it was not free (more than US) and it was not better than the US.  Other than cost and quality it was not bad.

 

I worked on a project in Buffalo last year with a Canadian team member.  I asked him about what he thought of Canada's health care system.  He said it was good. He said taxes are high, but the price is right for heath care.  He didn't have long waits or anything to complain about.  

 

I worked on a project in London about 15 years ago and asked the people there too.  They said it was good and were happy with it.

 

I'm sure people's experiences are different. 

[row_33]

When I go for a procedure it seems random between a hospital and a private clinic.

 

we have our niches up here, the Shouldice Clinic is tops for hernias with many Americans treated 

 

i have not known anyone who went in a timely fashion that did not get good treatment

 

i know many who were whisked the next day to top specialists and it saved their life

 

the cost?  I may be wrong but my recollection is it’s half of my provincial taxes. On $100,000 I owe $33,000 to fed and provincial taxes. 2/3 federal in the mix 

 

it is a progressive tax and some years had special surtaxes for high incomes

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Come on what? He’s gay and Christian. He can lecture as much as any Christian politician who wants to lecture. 

No politician (regardless of persuasion) should be using religion as a policy or to guilt anyone into anything. Don’t lecture me on how to be good Christian!

[reddogblitz]

I LOVED Marianne Williamson's answer on reparations.  While all the others were talking a commission a study blah blah blah, she has a plan.  It was beautiful.  Every descendent of a slave gets the 40 acres and a mule plus interest. 

 

I'm not a fan of the whole reparations thing, but if you're gonna do it, this is a fine plan.

 

I also didn't know until last night she's from Texas.  All the better .

4 minutes ago, row_33 said:

When I go for a procedure it seems random between a hospital and a private clinic.

 

we have our niches up here, the Shouldice Clinic is tops for hernias with many Americans treated 

 

i have not known anyone who went in a timely fashion that did not get good treatment

 

i know many who were whisked the next day to top specialists and it saved their life

 

the cost?  I may be wrong but my recollection is it’s half of my provincial taxes. On $100,000 I owe $33,000 to fed and provincial taxes. 2/3 federal in the mix 

 

it is a progressive tax and some years had special surtaxes for high incomes

 

thanks for sharing your experiences.  This is similar to what Canadians tell me when II ask them what they think about it.

[row_33]

Is MW onto the next round, then the party can destroy her?

 

[B-Man]

Marianne Williamson: "I've come here to save America and love my cat ...................................and I'm all outta cats"

 

 

 

 

 

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[row_33]

5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

thanks for sharing your experiences.  This is similar to what Canadians tell me when II ask them what they think about it.

 

City services are rampant, rural areas are sparser. Sometimes communities are short many family docs for awhile

 

combining everyone’s waiting times for an overall average is grossly misleading 

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For an illness I required an MRI, I asked if I could be booked in Cleveland or Buffalo, probably $800 at the time 

 

he got me in the next day in a Toronto hospital at 4 am

[DC Tom]

18 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

City services are rampant, rural areas are sparser. Sometimes communities are short many family docs for awhile

 

 

Not terribly different from the US, structurally.  It's what makes socialized medicine a poor fit for the US - too many specialized local and regional needs for a "one size fits all" approach.  

[jrober38]

45 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I worked on a project in Buffalo last year with a Canadian team member.  I asked him about what he thought of Canada's health care system.  He said it was good. He said taxes are high, but the price is right for heath care.  He didn't have long waits or anything to complain about.  

 

I worked on a project in London about 15 years ago and asked the people there too.  They said it was good and were happy with it.

 

I'm sure people's experiences are different. 

 

Canadian Health Care is quite good. In Ontario, if you're sick, you go to a Doctor, show your OHIP card, and they treat you. No paperwork, no deductibles, no worrying about anything. I've also been able to pick multiple family doctors of my choosing throughout my life. 

 

My wife and I just had our second child. Countless appointments, exams, ultrasounds, blood work, two days at the hospital when the baby was delivered, and when you're done, you just walk out of the hospital, again with zero paperwork, zero bills, zero deducible, etc. 

 

Cancer treatments are also quite good as our system pours huge amounts of money into Cancer Research. Pretty much anything where your life is imminent danger, you'll be treated with very high quality care very quickly. 

 

The difference, as I see it, between Canadian Health Care and American Health Care, is that Canadian Healthcare tries to prevent illness, because that's where the largest expenses are incurred on the system. Canadian Health Care tries to prevent you from getting sick in the first place, because ultimately they don't want you at the Hospital. 

 

On the flip side, American Health Care has minimal interest in that, because the Hospitals and Doctors ultimately profit greatly when someone walks in with a major illness. Pharma profits from you having to take meds for an extended period of time to treat some form of sickness. 

 

This difference of approach ultimately is why Canadians live longer lives than Americans. 

[dpberr]

I think Bernie Sanders is done after last night.  I don't think his campaign has any money, he's not going to spend his own money, and he doesn't look like he's interested in campaigning for *another* year.  I give it a month.  

 

The DNC isn't doing anything to trim the heard either - so the money will continue to be diluted.  

 

 

[jrober38]

9 minutes ago, dpberr said:

I think Bernie Sanders is done after last night.  I don't think his campaign has any money, he's not going to spend his own money, and he doesn't look like he's interested in campaigning for *another* year.  I give it a month.  

 

The DNC isn't doing anything to trim the heard either - so the money will continue to be diluted.  

 

 

 

I disagree.

 

Bernie is never going to drop out. He's too idealistic and will want his ideas to form where the party goes, even if he's not the nominee. 

 

Also the field will shrink considerably by their next debate in September when it will become much harder to qualify for the debate. 

 

Based on current polling, only 8 candidates would currently qualify for the next debate. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by jrober38

[BeginnersMind]

12 minutes ago, dpberr said:

I think Bernie Sanders is done after last night.  I don't think his campaign has any money, he's not going to spend his own money, and he doesn't look like he's interested in campaigning for *another* year.  I give it a month.  

 

The DNC isn't doing anything to trim the heard either - so the money will continue to be diluted.  

 

 

 

You’re off here. Sanders has the most cash of anyone. Almost 3x of Biden. And there’s no way he’s quitting. If he didn’t quit under the pressure of the DNC playing dirty tricks and the Clinton machine, he’s not quitting because Mayor Pete is polling at 5%. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[row_33]

29 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Not terribly different from the US, structurally.  It's what makes socialized medicine a poor fit for the US - too many specialized local and regional needs for a "one size fits all" approach.  

 

There is no possible way to put it in now unless everyone is stripped of private coverage.

 

The 1950s would have been the last chance for the US to do this effectively.

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Canada has also chosen to severely limit MRIs, which to me is not a good thing.

[row_33]

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the best to be done is provide a safety net for the poor for treatable emergency procedures

 

 

[jrober38]

15 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Canada has also chosen to severely limit MRIs, which to me is not a good thing.

 

I don't think they limit MRIs. The wait times have improved over the past 15 years. 

 

I think they just have a really rigid system where the people who are a priority get taken care of and the ones who aren't have to wait a really long time. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by jrober38

[keepthefaith]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's a ***** tool. 

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't think they limit MRIs. The wait times have improved over the past 15 years. 

 

I think they just have a really rigid system where the people who are a priority get taken care of and the ones who aren't have to wait a really long time. 

 

Okay, I will accept that. But there is no service  from Friday night to Monday morning still?

 

 

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Okay, I will accept that. But there is no service  from Friday night to Monday morning still?

 

 

 

Not 100% sure. One of my friends blew out his ACL last year though, and moved up the cue by being willing to do it on evenings or weekends, and I think he was called in for like 5 am on a Sunday. I think it's possible in some locations, just can't remember where he went. 

[row_33]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Not 100% sure. One of my friends blew out his ACL last year though, and moved up the cue by being willing to do it on evenings or weekends, and I think he was called in for like 5 am on a Sunday. I think it's possible in some locations, just can't remember where he went. 

 

My call in was in December 2008, a Thursday at 3-4 am, fuzzy on the precision....

 

Piazza tore his knee at an Expos game on a Friday. and the announcers were astounded he couldn’t be treated until Monday.

[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Come on what? He’s gay and Christian. He can lecture as much as any Christian politician who wants to lecture. 

 

I probably know better than to jump in here, but he didn't lecture. He judged.

 

if you're going to claim to be a follower of Christ-- gay, straight or whatever Qbaby is -- pretty much the first thing you should always remember: we already have a judge and it's not us.

 

If he is a practicing Christian (that is to say he ensures he spends time in the Word and fosters an on-going spiritual transition that is built on having a relationship with God for his glory), you recognize an opportunity last night to be the light (Matthew 5:14-16) to tens of people watching CNN. Trying to make the case that you're not a Christian if you're not in favor of a $15/hour minimum wage is, without question, the absolutely opposite of that.

 

But he knows that. Nothing gets the left to perk up and pay attention like another Bible verse taken out of context or incorrectly applied.