Mango Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Thought this was a cool bit of info. Aggressiveness is measured as a throw with a defender <1 yard away. Interesting Rosen is the highest for "aggressive" throws. Brady and Rogers are pretty low. JA is slightly below average for "aggressive" throws with the worst passer rating. 1
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Do we trust a topic regarding ‘aggressiveness’ when started by an OJ avatar? ? ? 2
YattaOkasan Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 What is the definition of "Aggresive" Feels weird to think Eli Manning is more aggressive than Mahomes and Watson. 1
Mango Posted June 20, 2019 Author Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 3:31 PM, YattaOkasan said: What is the definition of "Aggresive" Feels weird to think Eli Manning is more aggressive than Mahomes and Watson. Expand On 6/20/2019 at 3:28 PM, Mango said: Thought this was a cool bit of info. Aggressiveness is measured as a throw with a defender <1 yard away. Interesting Rosen is the highest for "aggressive" throws. Brady and Rogers are pretty low. JA is slightly below average for "aggressive" throws with the worst passer rating. Expand It is literally in the first line...In a thread with like 2 replies, that answer would have taken about 5 seconds. 1 2 1 1
thebandit27 Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 3:31 PM, YattaOkasan said: What is the definition of "Aggresive" Feels weird to think Eli Manning is more aggressive than Mahomes and Watson. Expand According to NFL.com's NextGenStats: "Aggressiveness tracks the amount of passing attempts a quarterback makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion. AGG is shown as a % of attempts into tight windows over all passing attempts." On 6/20/2019 at 3:36 PM, Mango said: It is literally in the first line...In a thread with like 2 replies, that answer would have taken about 5 seconds. Expand Relax...it's not difficult to provide the whole definition.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) On 6/20/2019 at 3:36 PM, Mango said: It is literally in the first line...In a thread with like 2 replies, that answer would have taken about 5 seconds. Expand Instead of my usual ‘class clown’ persona, I’ll ask how actively is the defensive team player harassing the QB? In some cases the OL or RB may be engaging the defender, in some cases the QB may be running for his life. EDIT: Noting now this seems to indicate coverage of the intended receiver, not my initial perception of how much pressure the QB was under. Edited June 20, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013
Bray Wyatt Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Brady and Rodger are likely low bc they know how to read a defense and know where the open guy will be. 5 1
row_33 Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 3:31 PM, YattaOkasan said: What is the definition of "Aggresive" Feels weird to think Eli Manning is more aggressive than Mahomes and Watson. Expand every delving into history and science is biased toward the outcome the investigator wants to find, they set the parameters and they pick the stats and they fix the outcome
BuffaloBillies Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 3:28 PM, Mango said: Interesting Rosen is the highest for "aggressive" throws. Brady and Rogers are pretty low. Expand Because Rosen was also running for his life every play. Maybe didn't want to make the "aggressive" throw, but the alternative was to get mangled by the defense (again) if he didn't get rid of it.
Albany,n.y. Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Allen is closest to Brady, Wilson & Rodgers. All 3 Super Bowl Champions. Around 13% looks like the sweet spot & Josh is already there. Advanced well beyond his years.
Buffalo Boy Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 No TT???? Must be because he’s listed on the negative side of the aggressiveness graph??? 2 1
transient Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 How much was Allen's limited "aggressiveness" dictated by throwing to Kelvin Benjamin, who refused to fight for the ball and would make a better NBA backboard than an NFL WR, for 7 of his 11 starts.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Anybody introduces the ‘Orton Slide’ into the discussion, and the entire science collapses upon itself like a stellar black hole.
oldmanfan Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 4:41 PM, transient said: How much was Allen's limited "aggressiveness" dictated by throwing to Kelvin Benjamin, who refused to fight for the ball and would make a better NBA backboard than an NFL WR, for 7 of his 11 starts. Expand The graph is a classic example of the risks of misusing stats. There are a whole host of variables that can affect this graph that are not detailed. 1 1 1
Max Fischer Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Interesting topic. Brady, Rogers and the elite QBs have decent to great arms but the key to success is to find the open receiver. I'm always amazed how many Brady throws are to wide open receiver. Stunning, actually. Even on critical plays and 3rd downs, it's pretty rare to see Brady, Brees, etc force a throw into tight coverage. However, I'm not sure if this chart really explains too much for one season or less. Allen's problems have been document but perhaps the chart indicates that Allen held off more unwise passes than we think. Moreover, the chart may also indicate that Allen's receivers could not get separation at all, there was rarely no one open or more ominously, he could not locate the open receiver. For all of Mahomes' gunslinger reputation, the chart indicates he's much more judicious with the ball, has more "open" receivers or simply knows how to find one.
Ronin Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 3:36 PM, thebandit27 said: According to NFL.com's NextGenStats: "Aggressiveness tracks the amount of passing attempts a quarterback makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion. AGG is shown as a % of attempts into tight windows over all passing attempts." Relax...it's not difficult to provide the whole definition. Expand That's one of Allen's major issues, he's always looking for a big-play so instead of taking what the D gives him by checking down and finding the open guys, he already seems to have laid out in his mind what he wants to, i.e. where he wants to go which results in risky plays, where he's among the worst in the NFL. If you haven't downloaded Allen's PFF 2018 review you should. In short however, here are a few key metrics worthy of note according to that analysis and review: Passer Rating: When Clean: 79.8. NFL avg. 103.1 Passer Rating: No Blitz: 70.1. NFL avg. 92.9 Passer Rating: Under Pressure - 47.4. NFL avg. 67.1 Passer Rating: Blitz - 62.9. NFL avg. 93.1 For comps, among the rookies, only Rosen was worse in every category. Darnold was worse only "under pressure." Most of their ratings were well above Allen's. Rosen's were 80.9, 68.6, 38.1, 60.7. Rosen was higher "when clean." He was only a couple points worse on "no blitz" and "blitz." It would be remiss not to realize that Allen's last game vs. Miami boosted his season stats in terms of averages in a major way. That one game "lifted" him to where he finished. Just sayin'. 1
WideNine Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 So Allen is as aggressive as Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers. SWEET.
thebandit27 Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 5:16 PM, Ronin said: That's one of Allen's major issues, he's always looking for a big-play so instead of taking what the D gives him by checking down and finding the open guys, he already seems to have laid out in his mind what he wants to, i.e. where he wants to go which results in risky plays, where he's among the worst in the NFL. If you haven't downloaded Allen's PFF 2018 review you should. In short however, here are a few key metrics worthy of note according to that analysis and review: Passer Rating: When Clean: 79.8. NFL avg. 103.1 Passer Rating: No Blitz: 70.1. NFL avg. 92.9 Passer Rating: Under Pressure - 47.4. NFL avg. 67.1 Passer Rating: Blitz - 62.9. NFL avg. 93.1 For comps, among the rookies, only Rosen was worse in every category. Darnold was worse only "under pressure." Most of their ratings were well above Allen's. Rosen's were 80.9, 68.6, 38.1, 60.7. Rosen was higher "when clean." He was only a couple points worse on "no blitz" and "blitz." It would be remiss not to realize that Allen's last game vs. Miami boosted his season stats in terms of averages in a major way. That one game "lifted" him to where he finished. Just sayin'. Expand Yes, you mention this in at least 100% of the Josh Allen discussions that you participate, and in about 50% of them, I point out that it's silly to disregard his week 17 game. They all count. As for Allen's issues, I've said many times that there are 3 keys for him: 1) improve his play recognition/anticipation, 2) be more willing to take what the defense gives him, and 3) not rush his setup/delivery.
ROCBillsBeliever Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 3:28 PM, Mango said: Thought this was a cool bit of info. Aggressiveness is measured as a throw with a defender <1 yard away. Interesting Rosen is the highest for "aggressive" throws. Brady and Rogers are pretty low. JA is slightly below average for "aggressive" throws with the worst passer rating. Expand Two interesting points: for all the flak that JA gets about being a Brett Favre clone, gun slinging wild west QB, his aggressiveness is right up there with... oh... Tom "Captain Conservative" Brady. Secondly, WOW, Brock O, with the 2019 Timidity Award ???
MJS Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 This seems like a metric of how good / bad your oline is and how quick you release the football.
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