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All Bills Starting QB Index and Ranking

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8 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

what are they arguing, that Flutie was the best???

 

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Each apologist will probably say why their choice is backed up by the data, and how the others are merely pretenders.

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12 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Each apologist will probably say why their choice is backed up by the data, and how the others are merely pretenders.

 

Jim or Kemp at 1 or 2 (if you saw Kemp play)

 

a huge gap

 

then Ferguson at 3

 

and WGAS after that...

 

 

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5 hours ago, MJS said:

Probably because rushing stats were not included in the index.

 

Josh Allen's rookie stats were not actually all that impressive. Poor interception percentage. Below .500 win percentage. Low completion percentage. Etc.

It appears that he did not ever START a game for the Bills (According to pro football reference). Perhaps he only came in as a reserve. I only included QB's who started games.

Well, they should be honestly... also Rob Johnson and Trent Edwards were never impressive, always bumbling and looked horrible to the eye test. Allen looks beautiful to the eyes so far.

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14 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Well, they should be honestly... also Rob Johnson and Trent Edwards were never impressive, always bumbling and looked horrible to the eye test. Allen looks beautiful to the eyes so far.

 

Rob was the closest to winning a playoff game since roughly 2/3 of those on here were even born.

 

 

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3 hours ago, MJS said:

This index is looks at passing only.

As are all stats.

You may be able to make a few tweaks to include the run and also the dropped balls and 3rd and long passing is part of passing. Really enjoy the work and would like to see the breakdown if you haven't already shared it.

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Not ready to let Josh pass Jim or Kemp or Joe so far.

 

Guess that makes me a hater.

 

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13 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Well, they should be honestly... also Rob Johnson and Trent Edwards were never impressive, always bumbling and looked horrible to the eye test. Allen looks beautiful to the eyes so far.

Yeah, well eye tests can't be quantified.

9 minutes ago, DieHardBillsFan said:

You may be able to make a few tweaks to include the run and also the dropped balls and 3rd and long passing is part of passing. Really enjoy the work and would like to see the breakdown if you haven't already shared it.

For this index I don't want to add the rushing stats. However, I plan to create just an overall production based index in the future. That will definitely include rushing stats.

 

I don't view dropped passes as a QB metric. Every QB has dropped passes, and I doubt I could get that data for all of the 45 QB's on the list anyway.

 

I'd have to think through 3rd and long, but again, not sure I could get that for the early QB's. I don't know when that type of stuff started getting tracked.

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BTW, can anyone remember Johnny Green? He was the first QB to start for the Bills. He actually did decently well in the index.

 

His interception percentage was the best in franchise history until Jim Kelly came around. He had the most TD's until Kemp. Most yards and yards per game until Kemp. Went 5-6 that first year. What ever happened to him?

 

He ranks 19th in the index, above Todd Collins, JP Losman, and EJ Manuel. Pretty good for an early era QB.

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50 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Rob was the closest to winning a playoff game since roughly 2/3 of those on here were even born.

 

 

You mean the team was in spite of Rob...

41 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yeah, well eye tests can't be quantified.

For this index I don't want to add the rushing stats. However, I plan to create just an overall production based index in the future. That will definitely include rushing stats.

 

I don't view dropped passes as a QB metric. Every QB has dropped passes, and I doubt I could get that data for all of the 45 QB's on the list anyway.

 

I'd have to think through 3rd and long, but again, not sure I could get that for the early QB's. I don't know when that type of stuff started getting tracked.

All I know is Rob Johnson has caused me much pain and suffering and vomiting. Edwards has induced suffering but he didn't underwhelm in the biggest game of his career when there was a much better QB on the bench being wasted...

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3 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

You mean the team was in spite of Rob...

All I know is Rob Johnson has caused me much pain and suffering and vomiting. Edwards has induced suffering but he didn't underwhelm in the biggest game of his career when there was a much better QB on the bench being wasted...

Well, Rob didn't do that well in the index. He's the only QB for the Bills who has started a playoff game who ranks outside of the top 10. He's at 16th, so not even in the top 15. Doug Flutie ranks 5th.

 

Obviously there is still a lot of debating going on even today, but both of those QB's played with the same team pretty much, and Doug WON twice as many games as he lost while Rob LOST twice as many as he won. Doug had more yards per game, more TD's per game, more comebacks, and more game winning drives. Their interception % is very similar. Rob did have a better completion percentage, though. Maybe Flutie was a jerk, but I don't really care about that. I care about winning. Plenty of good QB's are jerks.

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 Tyrod the trashcan at 4 😭😭😭 

 

Yikes 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)
13 hours ago, MJS said:

It appears that (Hobert) did not ever START a game for the Bills (According to pro football reference). Perhaps he only came in as a reserve. I only included QB's who started games.

Oh thats right,  He came off the bench early in the game. Thats why he didn't study the game plan,  cause he said he didn't think he was gonna play anyway. What a tool!  He may not have started, but he was the worst I've seen in 46 years of watching the Bills.

And I was at "The Peterman game" in person so that's saying something.

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On 6/14/2019 at 11:52 AM, Captain Hindsight said:

Yeah I was a Tyrod supporter until I saw what it looks when a QB actually throws the ball. Fitzpatrick has those teams in the playoffs. Allen has those teams in the playoffs. 

Fitzpatrick never has, nor never will have any team in the playoffs. TT and Fitz are both low level starters, and decent backups. They aren’t guys you want leading a playoff team. However, if I had a playoff roster and had to choose one of them to lead, I’d pick Tyrod. TT is consistent and doesn’t make huge mistakes. Fitz goes from looking elite one week, to playing like a slightly better Peterman the next. Taylor could ride the coattails of a good defense and running game to the playoffs. Fitz would always make enough mistakes to knock his team out of the playoffs. For every great game Fitz plays, he plays about four terrible ones. 

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