Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 46 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: It's silly to rank any guy who has never coached a game in the NFL before. Again, this is what happens when you have to fill a website every day with stuff. Guys write nonsense just to fill a space. I know right? The 20th and 21rst best coaches In the nfl have yet to win a game as a head coach at any level, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 This guy is an ill informed writer with a bad article! Let me share it with the world so it gets attention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ll give it a shot: Belichick Payton Reid Pederson Reich Carroll Harbaugh Tomlin McVay Lynn Nagy Arians McDermott Shanahan Zimmer Rivera Kitchens Quinn Garrett Vrabel IMO that's a fair list but it's also giving McD the FULL benefit of the doubt ranking him there. Once you get past Arians the rest are all guys who haven't really proven themselves to be difference makers yet or recently. For example I am sure a Titans fan would put Vrabel where you have McD and cite a brutal divisional schedule etc.. Anthony Lynn above McDermott won't get you many likes from the unobjective crowd though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 9 hours ago, B Fan in LA said: Get ahold of your self, man.........it's just a story..........one man's opinion. I suggest you get a good nights rest. You'll feel better in the morning........... yeah...and McDermott did bungle the QB position last year...he put a 3-way QB battle at camp, whcih meant no one got in sync with anyone.... secondly he started Peterman and then wasn't patient with him. Then he thrust his rookie QB at the end of the 1st game in a panic mode...all resulted in a 6-10 season with some mixed feelings. He did have his flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 10 hours ago, B Fan in LA said: Get ahold of your self, man.........it's just a story..........one man's opinion. I suggest you get a good nights rest. You'll feel better in the morning........... I don't know what in my post makes you think I'm losing it. I posted an article that I think is ridiculous. How can you rank any coach who has never coached in the NFL, other than at the bottom, until they show something? Klingsbury has had success in college, yet he is #32. It's just an article that I thought was a little far fetched.....basically click bait. Just like 75% of all the posts on this board. So take it easy bro, I'm perfectly fine and sleep just well every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 11 hours ago, dma0034 said: Looks like they put a lot of blame on him for "regressing". People in the media don't care about the Bills. McDermott is a top 10 coach. We should take to our keyboards and twitter accounts. This means war!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Never ceases to amaze me how people put the bills as a 0 win team last offseason then give mcd no credit for coaching them to 6 wins. He is a top 10 coach, cant wait to see how he does with talent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: I found this for you: http://www.espn.com/nfl/superbowl/history/winners LII Feb. 4, 2018 U.S. Bank Stadium (Minneapolis) Philadelphia 41, New England 33 LIII Feb. 3, 2019 Mercedes-Benz Stadium (Atlanta) New England 13, Los Angeles Rams 3 You can argue record if you want, but that one says all that needs to be said. Also, if you remove Pedersons first year with the team and only compare the past two years you end up with this final breakdown: Pederson: 26-11 McVey: 26-10 All media is very credible, they would never show favoratism. Its all based on fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: IMO that's a fair list but it's also giving McD the FULL benefit of the doubt ranking him there. Once you get past Arians the rest are all guys who haven't really proven themselves to be difference makers yet or recently. For example I am sure a Titans fan would put Vrabel where you have McD and cite a brutal divisional schedule etc.. Anthony Lynn above McDermott won't get you many likes from the unobjective crowd though. FWIW, I’m not a big McDermott fan. I find him to be kind of fake. I think he’s a pretty good football coach though. His teams are prepared and don’t beat themselves. He just hasn’t had a lot of talent. This year we are going to find out though. This team SHOULD compete for a playoff spot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, BillsVet said: I want to see whether McD adapts to the modern game or remains a HC who plays it safe on offense and tries to keep games close with strong defense. He's into the 3rd off-season of running his defense and is now doing it with his guys. The question is whether he gives the offense more freedom, particularly after the spending spree this past off-season. Because if it's going to be a run oriented offense with a pedestrian passing game I think the ceiling for such a team is probably 9-7. I see this repeated quite a bit around here and wonder where it's coming from. At what point as coach of the Bills has McD had the offensive talent necessary to "take chances?" As you have indicated, this is year three and this is where McD makes his mark. I simply don't see any reason to predict or expect that he doesn't want to score a lot of points to win football games, or that he is for some reason purposely ignoring offensive trends in the NFL. Edited May 30, 2019 by eball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 He's somewhere in that 14-20 range. Could go as high as 9-10 with a playoff birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bourbonboy Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 FantasyPros just came out with their ranking of coaches: https://www.fantasypros.com/2019/05/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2019/ McD came in at #19 (Gase was #31, Marrone was #32). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, bourbonboy said: FantasyPros just came out with their ranking of coaches: https://www.fantasypros.com/2019/05/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2019/ McD came in at #19 (Gase was #31, Marrone was #32). I hate Marrone but this is incredibly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Joshin Allen Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 ***** stupid. McDermott behind guys like Patricia, Shanahan, Gase...what a joke. And this obsession with McVay is ridiculous. He’s a better coach than Super Bowl winners Harbaugh, Pederson and Payton? These national writers are truly morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I'll take McDermott over Anthony Lynn ( #9) any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ll give it a shot: Belichick Payton Reid Pederson Reich Carroll Harbaugh Tomlin McVay Lynn Nagy Arians McDermott Shanahan Zimmer Rivera Kitchens Quinn Garrett Vrabel O’Brien Taylor Kingsbury LaFleur Fangio Marrone Jon Gruden Jay Gruden Gase Flores Patricia Shurmur Not bad KJ. Like our newer guy Yoho, not to be convinced with our favorite Yolo stated the other day, basically who cares what these guys have to say in May. I know his post was much more comprehensive, but was eluding to some of these dumb articles that have zero todo with what our Bills will do this year. Some of his rankings are all out foolish, but who cares? Our standings this January, and next January will tell a better picture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 19 hours ago, dma0034 said: Looks like they put a lot of blame on him for "regressing". People in the media don't care about the Bills. McDermott is a top 10 coach. someday, someday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: FWIW, I’m not a big McDermott fan. I find him to be kind of fake. I think he’s a pretty good football coach though. His teams are prepared and don’t beat themselves. He just hasn’t had a lot of talent. This year we are going to find out though. This team SHOULD compete for a playoff spot. I generally agree but I don't know if he's fake or if he's just more "educated" than smart. We saw that with Yale grad Dick Jauron. Ultimately the difference between Jauron Ball and Marty Ball or Cowher Ball was that Marty and Cowher respected the critical importance of having better talent than your opponent even if you are trying to play conservative football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Among the worthless efforts of football reporter/commentator types in the springtime, this was probably the worst. McDermott is bad because Buffalo has only had 2 winning seasons since 2000? OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: FWIW, I’m not a big McDermott fan. I find him to be kind of fake. I think he’s a pretty good football coach though. His teams are prepared and don’t beat themselves. He just hasn’t had a lot of talent. This year we are going to find out though. This team SHOULD compete for a playoff spot. It seems that way but I don’t know if it’s true. They were top 10 in penalties and have gotten destroyed in numerous games. Honestly, McDermott is pretty whatever to me. I think he is a good defensive coach who will need a good OC and qb to carry him (like most coaches). Can’t say I’m a fan of his 2 OCs choices but hopefully I’m wrong about Daboll. 12 hours ago, Buffalo86 said: I'll take McDermott over Anthony Lynn ( #9) any day. Seriously, why? I mean things could change but you’re completely underselling the job Lynn is doing. McDermott inherited a team that went 15-17 the 2 years before him. He is 15-17. Lynn inherited a team that went 9-23 in the 2 years before him. He has gone 21-11 in his 2 years. so other than Lynn doing much better with a team that was much worse before him, I see your point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I really could care less about where McDermott is ranked as I think he is a good coach However how in the hell do you rank adam gase over anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It seems that way but I don’t know if it’s true. They were top 10 in penalties and have gotten destroyed in numerous games. Honestly, McDermott is pretty whatever to me. I think he is a good defensive coach who will need a good OC and qb to carry him (like most coaches). Can’t say I’m a fan of his 2 OCs choices but hopefully I’m wrong about Daboll. Seriously, why? I mean things could change but you’re completely underselling the job Lynn is doing. McDermott inherited a team that went 15-17 the 2 years before him. He is 15-17. Lynn inherited a team that went 9-23 in the 2 years before him. He has gone 21-11 in his 2 years. so other than Lynn doing much better with a team that was much worse before him, I see your point. Small point but telling I think, is that the San Diego roster was significantly upgraded pound for pound throughout Lynn's 1st 2 years (e.g. Bosa, anyone?) whereas the cupboard for McD was tossed overboard, barren, after year 1 (the reasons why has been the subject of plenty of other threads). I think McD has had to make pizza pie out of a lack of dough, although that's obviously changed for this year, and the comparisons from here on out would be more comparable, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: I really could care less about where McDermott is ranked as I think he is a good coach However how in the hell do you rank adam gase over anyone. In theory, I would have Gase and McDermott ranked the same. Same record, both made the playoffs. I actually think they would be a good team. But Gase is number ranked in the weirdo rankings. 4 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Small point but telling I think, is that the San Diego roster was significantly upgraded pound for pound throughout Lynn's 1st 2 years (e.g. Bosa, anyone?) whereas the cupboard for McD was tossed overboard, barren, after year 1 (the reasons why has been the subject of plenty of other threads). I think McD has had to make pizza pie out of a lack of dough, although that's obviously changed for this year, and the comparisons from here on out would be more comparable, imho. He helped create the holes. There is some narrative that McBeane inherited the 0-16 Browns. There was plenty of talent on the roster. And the bigger point is the Chargers were one of the worst teams in the nfl before Lynn. He deserves a lot of credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: In theory, I would have Gase and McDermott ranked the same. Same record, both made the playoffs. I actually think they would be a good team. But Gase is number ranked in the weirdo rankings. He helped create the holes. There is some narrative that McBeane inherited the 0-16 Browns. There was plenty of talent on the roster. And the bigger point is the Chargers were one of the worst teams in the nfl before Lynn. He deserves a lot of credit. Don't misunderstand me BTW, I am not saying Lynn is a terrible coach by any means, or doesn't deserve any credit for what he's done so far out West. I just didn't think that it was an apples to apples comparison from a purely roster/talent standpoint their first 2 years side by side. I would definitely agree that going forward it's much more similar than not, on paper at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) Just to continue this topic a bit longer on McD... good interview with Ken Dorsey today in the Athletic. Below are the first two paragraphs of the article. He's certainly responsible for the coaching that he hires and approach to the depth chart. Even if Beane made the move to trade McCarron, McD should have insisted on having some more experience at the QB position to help the two young players, especially after the BIG draft move of moving up to pick Allen at #7, with a bunch of capital moved to get him. Until we see that better product on the field, he should be ranked lower, rather than higher among coaches. This will be a big year https://theathletic.com/1004274/2019/05/31/qa-with-ken-dorsey-the-bills-quarterbacks-coach-on-his-philosophy-and-what-he-sees-in-josh-allen/ The Buffalo Bills entered last season with two quarterbacks, one a rookie, the other a sophomore with two NFL starts. Yet as thin as the depth chart was on experience and, as such, in critical need of qualified wisdom, the Bills’ quarterbacks coach was a novice, too. David Culley taught only wide receivers in the NFL before Bills head coach Sean McDermott put him in charge of the sport’s most important position in 2017. Culley hadn’t handled quarterbacks since he was at Southwestern Louisiana 30 years earlier. With new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll initially calling plays from the press box, in-game guidance was, well, the opposite of maximized. Edited May 31, 2019 by cage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: In theory, I would have Gase and McDermott ranked the same. Same record, both made the playoffs. I actually think they would be a good team. But Gase is number ranked in the weirdo rankings. Agree they would be a good team, each others weaknesses seem to be the others strengths As pure coaches id rank them similar but ranking head coaches McDermott is head and shoulders above gase in my opinion, and McDermott has a lot to prove yet In my opinion one of the best head coach attributes is the ability to organize, create consistency and stability, in Miami Gase struggled with that and as we have seen already with the Jets he is struggling again Edited May 31, 2019 by Cheektowaga Chad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 On 5/30/2019 at 9:44 PM, bourbonboy said: FantasyPros just came out with their ranking of coaches: https://www.fantasypros.com/2019/05/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2019/ McD came in at #19 (Gase was #31, Marrone was #32). He put kitchens down as being head coach last year when it was Gregg Williams. That is top notch ignorance of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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